Re: Dale, attack types (was large gall stones)

[Guest guest]

Dale, I have been curious about your last couple of attacks. Did they

just stop completely and never come back? Or did the nature of the

attacks change? Were they less severe over time? Did you go from

attacks to stomach aches? What exactly happened? I have had two

attacks this week. My lobelia remedy did not work, but both attacks

were different than my typical attack in that they were less painful

overall, at least tolerable, but still requiring pain meds. And they

were shorter. They started in the stomach. They felt like I had been

punched in the stomach and then over a few hours moved to the gb

area. Finally stopped after taking percoset. THanks for any info. Dawn

PS, two in one week seems a great improvement to me as I had seven

the week before! (All but one responded to the lobelia treatment)

> Well, according to my doctor I had just one large gallstone, but

within nine months I had no gallstone(s), as of the time of the last

ultrasound. My doctor wanted me to schedule for an operation to be

done within the next two weeks after the diagnostic was completed by

an MRI.

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[Guest guest]

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Dale, I have been curious about your last couple of attacks. Did they

just stop completely and never come back? Or did the nature of the

attacks change? Were they less severe over time? Did you go from

attacks to stomach aches? What exactly happened? I have had two

attacks this week. My lobelia remedy did not work, but both attacks

were different than my typical attack in that they were less painful

overall, at least tolerable, but still requiring pain meds. And they

were shorter. They started in the stomach. They felt like I had been

punched in the stomach and then over a few hours moved to the gb

area. Finally stopped after taking percoset. THanks for any info. Dawn

PS, two in one week seems a great improvement to me as I had seven

the week before! (All but one responded to the lobelia treatment)

> Well, according to my doctor I had just one large gallstone, but

within nine months I had no gallstone(s), as of the time of the last

ultrasound. My doctor wanted me to schedule for an operation to be

done within the next two weeks after the diagnostic was completed by

an MRI.

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My last bad attack occurred in October of 1999. I went to the hospital to deal

with it, but, it was a liver attack instead of a gallbladder attack. This

occurred because I had avoided all fats for almost two full months and my liver

was being damaged because of it. I was not aware of the importance of EFAs at

that time, and once I found out I had no stones, that my gallbladder looked

good, as did my liver by way of an ultrasound, I then started to research about

the liver and came across the liver doctor, Dr. Cabot. I sent for her

book, read it in about four hours the first time, bought various oils, started

taking them immediately and from that time on I have only gotten warnings of

pending pain with various stages of discomfort. The pain just doesn't come on,

discomfort sits near by and lets me know that my liver is in a particular

location and that if I don't continue to take care of it I'm going to get a

potential pain.

My gallbladder hasn't been of any problem for me since that last attack, since

in fact it wasn't a gallbladder attack, and was actually even more painful when

from the liver. This is a problem with gallbladder and liver problems in that

it's often times very difficult to make a determination as to whether the real

pain is from the liver or the gallbladder. This fact can be, and is often times,

attested to by the fact that some suffer with the same pain even after having a

gallbladder removed.

Today I enjoy a much wider variety of food, but a few years ago there were a lot

of foods that I avoided even though they may have been healthy simply because

they were too stimulating for the liver and the gallbladder and would cause a

bit of discomfort. This was occurring even after my last gallbladder/liver

attack and while I've been taking various EFAs to help my liver get better. It

took quite some time before I was able to feel comfortable eating certain foods

and if I was aware that I'm likely to be eating something that I will need to

have extra help with digesting I take enzymes before eating, just to make sure I

don't have too much discomfort.

As you can discern I'm aware still that some things are likely to cause me a

discomfort but at least I don't tend to worry too much now as to what I eat as

long as I do it with some understanding of how to deal with the aftermath of

that endeavor of momentary enjoyment. I have even eaten deep fried foods, on

rare occasions now, and not suffered any consequence from that. However, this

isn't an every day thing and it took quite a few years to be at that point.

Plus, I don't abuse that bit of liberty.

So, I guess I would have to finalize by saying the nature of the attacks changed

so that I can't really call them attacks but more like discomforts. This really

wasn't an easy thing to which to get to but I'm really feeling pretty successful

by having done so. It doesn't mean something more can't happen as I have had, or

at least was shown to have had, Hep C and that can mean other problems sometime

in the future too, should I not take care of my liver as best as possible.

Dale

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dale, Looking back, do you know if you passed the one stone or

do you think it dissolved? I have a feeling that I definitely passed

at least a stone with each of these last two attacks. I finally

started taking 6 Beta-TCP, 6 400mg lecithin, and magnesium about a

month ago. It is the one thing I try to do religiously. I am also

drinking about a quart of dandelion/hydrangea tea every day. I

haven't had meat in weeks and am eating very mild foods. I have cut

back a little on the amount of olive oil I use. I eat grains rarely.

Maybe a serving every other day. I also believe in the power of faith

and prayer and I accept nothing but perfect health until Tues and

even beyond that. I am hoping the ultrasound will be clear and I will

continue just as I am for several months. Then I hope I will be able

to have indulgences on occasion, but I plan on using a modified liver

cleanse diet for the rest of my life. I never want to suffer this way

again. Dawn

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> My last bad attack occurred in October of 1999. I went to the

hospital to deal with it, but, it was a liver attack instead of a

gallbladder attack. This occurred because I had avoided all fats for

almost two full months and my liver was being damaged because of it.

I was not aware of the importance of EFAs at that time, and once I

found out I had no stones, that my gallbladder looked good, as did my

liver by way of an ultrasound, I then started to research about the

liver and came across the liver doctor, Dr. Cabot. I sent for

her book, read it in about four hours the first time, bought various

oils, started taking them immediately and from that time on I have

only gotten warnings of pending pain with various stages of

discomfort. The pain just doesn't come on, discomfort sits near by

and lets me know that my liver is in a particular location and that

if I don't continue to take care of it I'm going to get a potential

pain.

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