Re: 9th flush--challenge to Barry

[Guest guest]

Dear Dawn,

I hear you.....it's hard to stick with something when you are still experiencing

such agony on occasion. But, your body didn't get to be in the state it is

overnight, and it will take awhile...of good eating, flushing, etc. to restore

your body to health. Sometimes, it's true, that it's too late to help someone

avoid surgery....but from what you've posted, I think you should keep hanging in

there....give it more time it you can.

If you've read any of my previous posts, you'll know that I did not start liver

cleansing until after my GB surgery 8 months ago. I'd had stones stuck in my

common bile duct, causing me the same agony as before surgery, and I searched

and found the curezone website. If I had to guess now, I'd say that it was

those stones causing my pain; the lab report showed that my GB was healthy. Of

the 8 cleanses I've done, I've passed many different sizes of green, and tan

colored stones....all soft. I don't believe that their source was anything

other than the liver, based upon all the reading I've done on the

subject....this is my opinion. I'll never know if liver cleansing could have

saved me from having surgery...but I think there's a great chance that it could

have. Friends, family scared me by saying I could die if I didn't have

surgery...hopefully that's not the kind of pressure you're under.

Once in awhile I've posted the benefits of chiropractic care as another option

for people to consider when dealing with GB problems (or any other health

problem, for that matter). www.idealspine.com If the nerves connecting your

brain to your GB are not communicating at 100%, your GB will suffer.

Adrienne

azdmarie <nortons@...> wrote:

If there had been a surgeon in the house, I

would have begged him to cut it out.

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thanks Adrienne, Every little bit of encouragement. I see a

chiropractor fairly regularly. About every two months. I only have

two people that regularly tell me, " just go have it out. " The others

are watching closely to see if I succeed. I really want to succeed. I

just feel like I am missing the key to turn the lock that will bring

me success. Dawn

> Once in awhile I've posted the benefits of chiropractic care as

another option for people to consider when dealing with GB problems

(or any other health problem, for that matter). www.idealspine.com

If the nerves connecting your brain to your GB are not communicating

at 100%, your GB will suffer.

>

> Adrienne

>

> azdmarie <nortons@v...> wrote:

>

> If there had been a surgeon in the house, I

> would have begged him to cut it out.

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

a suggestion to you

eat only raw fats. nothing cooked or pasteurized. try adding some fresh fruit

or veggie juices. if you eat animal proteins, try this raw as well. this might

give you the edge you need to complete the cleanses.

something that helped me greatly after my last flush was juicing dandelion

greens. it stimulates bile flow. i usually crave the exact wrong foods after a

flush until the remaining stones settle back.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Art, I do eat a lot of raw fruits and veggies and juice as

well, usu once a day. I am only using olive oil and flax oil now.

Learned my lesson on the popcorn. I have actually popped my own corn

in olive oil and not had a problem. I don't think I could eat raw

meat, but raw dairy would be wonderful since I have had no dairy for

months. Dawn

>

> eat only raw fats. nothing cooked or pasteurized. try adding some

fresh fruit or veggie juices. if you eat animal proteins, try this

raw as well. this might give you the edge you need to complete the

cleanses.

> something that helped me greatly after my last flush was juicing

dandelion greens. it stimulates bile flow. i usually crave the exact

wrong foods after a flush until the remaining stones settle back.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dawn,

Since you have asked me to reply, I will. Some people may not like

what I might say on some things but that is to be expected. It is

only my opinion, nothing more. Since this reply is to you I don't

expect to get callenges to my 'theories' but if I do that is o.k.

too. That is to be expected as well.

My colic was a lot like yours. I still had colic attacks no matter

what my dieting or flushing results were. I must say that I never did

have problems with 'movie-corn' because I always got the light or no

butter and it never bothered me. I avoided the butter because of

fear.

I lost close to 20 lbs in 4 months. For me it was dangerously below

my healthy weight. I went from 170 lbs to close to 150 lbs and I'm 6'

tall. I looked like an AIDS patient to put it nicely. I'm back up to

160 lbs after 6 weeks since surgery. I feel great and healthier as I

near my normal weight again.

My theory will support different shapes, colors, and sizes

of 'stones'. 'Stones' meaning soft bile balls in this sense. I only

call gallstones (stones) now; the hard colic stones in the gb. Soft

liver bile forming into balls by the nature of flushing is not termed

as 'stone' by me. Your body will produce many shapes, colors, and

sizes of bile balls during flushing because of many factors. Dieting,

stress, water retention, sleep, digestive action, colon condition,

regular flushing progression, etc, etc. The body is always changing

when you are on a regular flush plan and the results will usually

vary.

Read the theory that Mark has posted on message 10733. I agree with

his definition of the types of stones that there are. Bile balls and

gallstones. I don't agree with everything he has said but most of it

I do.

What you might have is what I had. I cleaned out a lot of sludge,

soft balls of bile, grainy sandy stuff, chaff, and even 12 hard black

pigment stones that were around 2mm in size. Easily enough to pass

out of my gb cystic duct. I still had the remaining hard 1 cm

gallstone that would not pass out and this was the cause of my

continuing colic attacks. I would suggest you go in and get another

ultrasound to see if that is what is causing the colic. I think you

have a gallstone that will not pass because it is too big. If you

verify this, you can do three things. Try to desolve the stone with

medication of herbs, dieting, etc. This could take 6 months to a year

to accomplish and this type of problem will return in 'only' 50% of

people who get them out. Lithotripsy can crush the stones with

ultrasonic shock waves. You are a candidate for this procedure if you

have under 5 stones none more that 1 cm in size. Also, in 50% of the

cases the stones return within one to five years. They will never

just go into the gb and remove the stone because of this type of

reaccurance rate. Do you want surgery every year? That's why it is

not a good option. Next, you can flush forever and hope it comes out

over months of dieting, flushing, etc. You may have to continue

flushing forever because once gallstones produce they are likely to

return in 50% of the cases. Dieting will not stop them from forming.

Dieting may slow down the process of reaccurance but not stop it.

Twice yearly maintanance flush is meant to get out future forming

stones before they are too big to exit. This is also accompanied with

dieting to slow down the rate of new stones forming. Gallstones can

form into problems in only one months time if dieting is bad.

Lastly, if you've 'exhausted' all options, surgery. It's not as bad

as it sounds. Less than 5% have problems after surgery with diarrhea

or constipation. These can be corrected over a short period of time

with supplementing as your body adjust the cholesterol levels and the

bile regulation. The most common post-surgery problem is not diarrhea

but a stone left in the common duct. This will cause more gb colic

like pain. Adrienne had that post-surgery problem and flushed it out

in two flushes. She most likely had laproscopic surgery and her

problem is more common than if you have open surgery like I had. They

can also check the ducts while they are in there to make sure they

haven't left any stones in the ducts.

Post-surgery flushing. I don't want to flush unless I have colic. Why

do that when my body is already working fine. Adrienne has done that

and she has created the same bile balls from the liver bile anyway.

I believe that her colic could have been caused by a lot of sludge, a

build up of grainy stones, or even one bigger stone and it was good

for her to cleanse. The other soft balls she is getting out is

unnecessary in my opinion. Bile will come out from the liver in it's

normal function without the aid of fasting, flushing, and creating

blob shape objects of soft bile. Once again, only my opinion.

Does the flush work? Of course. If you can get out the bad stuff with

the bile balls then it is working. If you can't get out the bad stuff

with the bile balls you will know it because your body will still

tell you there is a problem with the colic attacks. More details,

questions, research, methods, choices must be observed to reach a

pain-free state. Tolerance, pain, happiness, health is all up to the

individual.

So even though my opinion is open for attack, there it is. Read post

10733 again, get an ultrasound to see what your body is doing

internally, keep flushing, keep dieting, and good luck to you. I know

the pain you are talking about. Some of us in here can really relate.

Surgery was actually the right choice for my body. After I tried the

other options I then used my last option of surgery. I would always

recommend flushing first. Heck, if you can keep your gb, keep it by

all means. When they finally took my gb out I could see that it was

in a pre-diseased condition and no amount of dieting or flushing

would have brought it back to function correctly again. In fact, it

almost exploded during an attack. I went into ER during an attack and

the ultrasound of my gb looked like a balloon ready to pop. For me it

was the needed option that I was prolonging. I'm not saying that is

the case for everyone but it was in my particular case. You may never

know the condition of the gb until it is on the table but one

indication that it may be 'beyond' repair was a thickened gb wall.

Mine was 4 mm instead of the normal 2 mm detected by ultrasound. This

is not the case with everyone once again, but it was true in mine.

Once it was removed the inner walls were shot. That wasn't detected

by ultrasound. The ultrasound of my gb blown up like a balloon during

an attack was a scary indication. If the gb explodes you have a real

mess on your hands. These things are not meant to scare you but only

to bring more information on the real dangers on gb colic. No one

else may talk about it in here but I have nothing to worry about any

more.

Good luck Dawn. Be healthy and happy.

Hope this helps in some ways.

Barry.

> Well, I did some revising of and 's protocals. Had apple

> lemonade for breakfast. Had V-8 with AIM's garden trio for lunch.

Had

> one dose of Epsom (1tbs in 1 cup apple juice). Drank 1 cup of oil

in

> 1/4 c increments with equal amount of grapefruit juice. For the

first

> time ever I was sick to my stomach after the oil. I could have

never

> done the full two cups as originally planned. Drank one Epsom dose

> again in the morning. WOW!! For the first time (other than 1 large

> 1+cm stome a few back) I got a half dozen marble sized stones and 2

> grape sized stones. They were all green firm bile type. Also

probably

> somewhere around 200 green and tan stones of varying sizes from

grain

> to pea sized.

>

> Now the downer. I continued just drinking apple juice until

afternoon

> when we went to see Star Wars 2 as a family. I made the very bad

> decision against my inner feeling not to, of eating plenty

> of " buttered " popcorn. I have never had such an immediate reaction.

> Within an hour I was starting an attack. I had convinced myself

that

> eating the fatty popcorn might give me anther cleansing reaction.

Ha!

> By the time the movie was over, I was pretty much in agony. I could

> not drag the family out, during the movie so I just watched over

the

> edge of the seat while I took the sandwich position. What a mother

> won't do for her children! We live an hour from the theatre, so it

> took the drive home. I went straight into the hot bath and downed a

> demerol. Ah sweet relief! My resolve to continue is starting to

> crumble. I have two more months to do the six months worth of

> cleansing I wanted to. If there had been a surgeon in the house, I

> would have begged him to cut it out.

>

> This will be long, so please check out if you're bored. I have done

> most everything I can. I have done peppermint oil, herbal teas,

milk

> thistle, Beta-TCP, along with tons of stuff for my chronic fatigue.

I

> have changed my diet. I admit to faltering on occasion, but sheesh

I

> am only human. Right now I am as close to vegetarian as I have ever

> been. I have meat once a week and that has been salmon and chicken.

> No dairy. No sugar. No white flour products. Mostly fruits and

> vegetables, some grains. My big no-nos now are #1 pork, and #2

movie

> popcorn. LOL! I am sure the list will grow.

>

> The benefits of my cleanse: I have lost 25 pounds. Everywhere I go

> women hate me. tee hee. (I have not been this weight since before I

> was married) I am very tall and can proudly say skinny. But, I am

now

> worried about losing anymore weight. I feel much better. The CF

> doesn't even seem like a problem unless I stay up too late. I think

> with this last cleanse I finally have gotten rid of the pocket of

> mucus sitting in the back of my nasal passages. I will not go into

> details, but that has been gross. Until the eight cleanse my skin

was

> really looking great except for age spots, but I think I have

> triggered some kind of deeper cleanse with my diet, because my

> forehead is covered with bumps. I am not worried about them going

> away. My previous PMS, cramping (rare), and feeling like the

> transmission was falling out, along with heavy bleeding is all

gone.

> I don't even mind the monthly visit anymore.

>

> Now to my challenge for Barry. I have not reread your recent posts,

> so this is going on memory. I have been thinking about your ideas

> on " bile balls " . I think you might be right about that. It makes

> sense to me that the bile would mix with the olive oil and create

> soft stones. However, maybe had you done one more flush, you would

> not have gotten anymore out and that still does not explain some of

> these pictures with the cut out gall bladderfull of stones. I would

> really be interested in the results of a post surgical cleanse. If

> all you get out are bile balls, then maybe you are on to something.

> On the other hand, it could also mean you have them in your liver.

> But to my little mind that does not make much sense.

>

> Which goes back to discouragement that I mentioned earlier. If all

I

> am doing is creating and flushing new stones, then what is the

point?

> I am encouraged at the size of these new ones, and I am really

> tempted to make an appointment with the surgeon. Bring and ask him

> about them, and then see if he will send them to be analyzed. Or

can

> someone tell me how I can do that myself and what it costs? If you

> are still hanging in at this point, I will say one more thing that

> confuses me about the " bile ball " theory--why do I get different

> colored stones out? Are they coming from the gb? Dawn who still has

> more questions than answers

[Guest guest]

<<<<<<<<<<<

My theory will support different shapes, colors, and sizes

of 'stones'. 'Stones' meaning soft bile balls in this sense. I only

call gallstones (stones) now; the hard colic stones in the gb. Soft

liver bile forming into balls by the nature of flushing is not termed

as 'stone' by me. Your body will produce many shapes, colors, and

sizes of bile balls during flushing because of many factors. Dieting,

stress, water retention, sleep, digestive action, colon condition,

regular flushing progression, etc, etc. The body is always changing

when you are on a regular flush plan and the results will usually

vary.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Barry;

Some how the facts about bile seems to keep being missed here. Bile doesn't

form stones! Stones form from cholesterol or calcium salts precipitation

from the bile. I pur out a post not too long back that pointed to

informaiton regarding this, but you still don't seem to see the facts of the

matter because of what you believe happens and not what factually happens,

or so it seems from all your post so bent on your colic.

Perhaps we should do some greater research regarding bile and then see where

it all goes from there.

Dale

[Guest guest]

Barry, I appreciate your comments and ideas. I don't agree with all

of them, but don't disagree with your choices. It is obvious from

your information that you were in serious trouble. I do believe

however that 99% of the conditions of the body can be healed,

including gb disease. We have a remarkable machine we live in created

for our use and enjoyment. Most people are not willing to pay the

price to prevent health problems or reverse them. I thought I was a

pretty healthy person with a pretty healthy diet. I guess not healthy

enough. I am planning another ultrasound in July. I won't be able to

pay for it before then. But, you inspired me to call and get a copy

of my lab report and here is what it said:

Gb contains small stones in dependent portion. Gb is enlarged

measuring apprx 10cm at greatest dimension. Gb wall borderline

thickening at 3mm. Minimal pericholecystic fluid seen. Findings most

consistent with acute cholecystitis. Normal liver. COmmon bile duct

at upper limits of normal measuring 5mm.

I will be interested to see if there are any differences as when I

had this ultrasound I had not yet begun to flush. I read Mark's

post and I see the reasoning and would probably agree with some of

it, but I have never had oil come out or could " feel " it in my

intestines and even if I did, I don't think the amount I have drunk

in most of my flushed could coat the entire intestinal tract and

preven reabsorption of bile salts. The only way I see myself going in

for surgery is if a stone sticks and I am in serious consequences.

(this is in theory if I cannot decrease the distance in attacks, I

know you can understand that;) Thanks for your concern and I hope you

continue to have no post surgery problems. Dawn

I would suggest you go in and get another

> ultrasound to see if that is what is causing the colic. I think you

> have a gallstone that will not pass because it is too big. If you

> verify this, you can do three things. Try to desolve the stone with

> medication of herbs, dieting, etc. This could take 6 months to a

year

> to accomplish and this type of problem will return in 'only' 50% of

> people who get them out. Lithotripsy can crush the stones with

> ultrasonic shock waves. You are a candidate for this procedure if

you

> have under 5 stones none more that 1 cm in size. Also, in 50% of

the

> cases the stones return within one to five years. They will never

> just go into the gb and remove the stone because of this type of

> reaccurance rate. Do you want surgery every year? That's why it is

> not a good option. Next, you can flush forever and hope it comes

out

> over months of dieting, flushing, etc. You may have to continue

> flushing forever because once gallstones produce they are likely to

> return in 50% of the cases. Dieting will not stop them from

forming.

> Dieting may slow down the process of reaccurance but not stop it.

> Twice yearly maintanance flush is meant to get out future forming

> stones before they are too big to exit. This is also accompanied

with

> dieting to slow down the rate of new stones forming. Gallstones can

> form into problems in only one months time if dieting is bad.

>

> Lastly, if you've 'exhausted' all options, surgery. It's not as bad

> as it sounds. Less than 5% have problems after surgery with

diarrhea

> or constipation. These can be corrected over a short period of time

> with supplementing as your body adjust the cholesterol levels and

the

> bile regulation. The most common post-surgery problem is not

diarrhea

> but a stone left in the common duct. This will cause more gb colic

> like pain. Adrienne had that post-surgery problem and flushed it

out

> in two flushes. She most likely had laproscopic surgery and her

> problem is more common than if you have open surgery like I had.

They

> can also check the ducts while they are in there to make sure they

> haven't left any stones in the ducts.

>

> Post-surgery flushing. I don't want to flush unless I have colic.

Why

> do that when my body is already working fine. Adrienne has done

that

> and she has created the same bile balls from the liver bile anyway.

> I believe that her colic could have been caused by a lot of sludge,

a

> build up of grainy stones, or even one bigger stone and it was good

> for her to cleanse. The other soft balls she is getting out is

> unnecessary in my opinion. Bile will come out from the liver in

it's

> normal function without the aid of fasting, flushing, and creating

> blob shape objects of soft bile. Once again, only my opinion.

>

> Does the flush work? Of course. If you can get out the bad stuff

with

> the bile balls then it is working. If you can't get out the bad

stuff

> with the bile balls you will know it because your body will still

> tell you there is a problem with the colic attacks. More details,

> questions, research, methods, choices must be observed to reach a

> pain-free state. Tolerance, pain, happiness, health is all up to

the

> individual.

>

> So even though my opinion is open for attack, there it is. Read

post

> 10733 again, get an ultrasound to see what your body is doing

> internally, keep flushing, keep dieting, and good luck to you. I

know

> the pain you are talking about. Some of us in here can really

relate.

>

> Surgery was actually the right choice for my body. After I tried

the

> other options I then used my last option of surgery. I would always

> recommend flushing first. Heck, if you can keep your gb, keep it by

> all means. When they finally took my gb out I could see that it was

> in a pre-diseased condition and no amount of dieting or flushing

> would have brought it back to function correctly again. In fact, it

> almost exploded during an attack. I went into ER during an attack

and

> the ultrasound of my gb looked like a balloon ready to pop. For me

it

> was the needed option that I was prolonging. I'm not saying that is

> the case for everyone but it was in my particular case.

[Guest guest]

Dale,

I agree with you. Bile does not form stones. Cholesterol or calcium

salts percipitation from the bile does. Bile does form into blobs,

balls, or soft round objects when promoted by the process of the

flush. I don't call those 'stones'. Anyway, we all have our own

opinions based on the facts that we believe to be true. Colic is not

the indicator of my belief. Research, personal results, testimonies,

and yes, even the 'evil' doctors opinions have led me to conclusions

that I beleive to be true. Wheither or not you or I are correct in

our assumptions the goal is to get colic-free and remain colic-free.

Who would be here if it wasn't for that? Who would try to debate on

medical issues based on personal belief or theories and disregard

what has already be medically substantianted. Why even try? Do what

works for you. Believe what you reach as conclusions. Be healthy,

happy, and colic-free.

Dale, I respect your theories, opinions, or 'truths' if you will but

unfortunetly some of us differ in opinion. Good luck with your search

for the truth and for your own personal happiness and health.

Barry.

> <<<<<<<<<<<

> My theory will support different shapes, colors, and sizes

> of 'stones'. 'Stones' meaning soft bile balls in this sense. I only

> call gallstones (stones) now; the hard colic stones in the gb. Soft

> liver bile forming into balls by the nature of flushing is not

termed

> as 'stone' by me. Your body will produce many shapes, colors, and

> sizes of bile balls during flushing because of many factors.

Dieting,

> stress, water retention, sleep, digestive action, colon condition,

> regular flushing progression, etc, etc. The body is always changing

> when you are on a regular flush plan and the results will usually

> vary.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Barry;

>

> Some how the facts about bile seems to keep being missed here. Bile

doesn't

> form stones! Stones form from cholesterol or calcium salts

precipitation

> from the bile. I pur out a post not too long back that pointed to

> informaiton regarding this, but you still don't seem to see the

facts of the

> matter because of what you believe happens and not what factually

happens,

> or so it seems from all your post so bent on your colic.

>

> Perhaps we should do some greater research regarding bile and then

see where

> it all goes from there.

>

> Dale

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

Good luck with your flushing and dieting. You most likely can reach a

level of control which will keep you clear of colic pain. Watch what

you eat in the way of 'trigger' foods that you know will cause

bilinary problems. Supplementing can also help to re-condition bile

production, flow, and consistancy. Look into that too. Also

Gallstones can possibly desolve in some instances over time but you

need to be in for the long haul. Could take one or two years to

desolve them as long as you keep your diet good. If your stones

are 'small' then it could be sooner and maybe even some of the herbs

mentioned in this group can help you to shrink them faster so that

they will finally flush out. Did they say in the report what size the

stones were? How small is small? They usually can tell the sizes by

ultrasound.

Sorry to hear that you don't have insurance to cover ultrasound on a

regular basis to check your internal gallstone condition. Luckily I

had that readily available and very cheap. The internal monitor of

the ultrasound let me know exactly what was happening as I was

flushing and still experiencing bad colic attacks.

The thickness (3mm) of your gb walls and other information is

individual. Those statistics can vary for many reasons. Women and men

are different as an example. Your doctor can tell you what is normal

range and what is out of norm for your body. It sounds like (by how

the report reads) that you can recondition your gb back to health and

it hopefully hasn't gone too far.

Good luck with your battle for pain-free living, good health, and

happiness.

Barry.

> Barry, I appreciate your comments and ideas. I don't agree with all

> of them, but don't disagree with your choices. It is obvious from

> your information that you were in serious trouble. I do believe

> however that 99% of the conditions of the body can be healed,

> including gb disease. We have a remarkable machine we live in

created

> for our use and enjoyment. Most people are not willing to pay the

> price to prevent health problems or reverse them. I thought I was a

> pretty healthy person with a pretty healthy diet. I guess not

healthy

> enough. I am planning another ultrasound in July. I won't be able

to

> pay for it before then. But, you inspired me to call and get a copy

> of my lab report and here is what it said:

>

> Gb contains small stones in dependent portion. Gb is enlarged

> measuring apprx 10cm at greatest dimension. Gb wall borderline

> thickening at 3mm. Minimal pericholecystic fluid seen. Findings

most

> consistent with acute cholecystitis. Normal liver. COmmon bile duct

> at upper limits of normal measuring 5mm.

>

> I will be interested to see if there are any differences as when I

> had this ultrasound I had not yet begun to flush. I read Mark's

> post and I see the reasoning and would probably agree with some of

> it, but I have never had oil come out or could " feel " it in my

> intestines and even if I did, I don't think the amount I have drunk

> in most of my flushed could coat the entire intestinal tract and

> preven reabsorption of bile salts. The only way I see myself going

in

> for surgery is if a stone sticks and I am in serious consequences.

> (this is in theory if I cannot decrease the distance in attacks, I

> know you can understand that;) Thanks for your concern and I hope

you

> continue to have no post surgery problems. Dawn

>

>

>

>

> I would suggest you go in and get another

> > ultrasound to see if that is what is causing the colic. I think

you

> > have a gallstone that will not pass because it is too big. If you

> > verify this, you can do three things. Try to desolve the stone

with

> > medication of herbs, dieting, etc. This could take 6 months to a

> year

> > to accomplish and this type of problem will return in 'only' 50%

of

> > people who get them out. Lithotripsy can crush the stones with

> > ultrasonic shock waves. You are a candidate for this procedure if

> you

> > have under 5 stones none more that 1 cm in size. Also, in 50% of

> the

> > cases the stones return within one to five years. They will never

> > just go into the gb and remove the stone because of this type of

> > reaccurance rate. Do you want surgery every year? That's why it

is

> > not a good option. Next, you can flush forever and hope it comes

> out

> > over months of dieting, flushing, etc. You may have to continue

> > flushing forever because once gallstones produce they are likely

to

> > return in 50% of the cases. Dieting will not stop them from

> forming.

> > Dieting may slow down the process of reaccurance but not stop it.

> > Twice yearly maintanance flush is meant to get out future forming

> > stones before they are too big to exit. This is also accompanied

> with

> > dieting to slow down the rate of new stones forming. Gallstones

can

> > form into problems in only one months time if dieting is bad.

> >

> > Lastly, if you've 'exhausted' all options, surgery. It's not as

bad

> > as it sounds. Less than 5% have problems after surgery with

> diarrhea

> > or constipation. These can be corrected over a short period of

time

> > with supplementing as your body adjust the cholesterol levels and

> the

> > bile regulation. The most common post-surgery problem is not

> diarrhea

> > but a stone left in the common duct. This will cause more gb

colic

> > like pain. Adrienne had that post-surgery problem and flushed it

> out

> > in two flushes. She most likely had laproscopic surgery and her

> > problem is more common than if you have open surgery like I had.

> They

> > can also check the ducts while they are in there to make sure

they

> > haven't left any stones in the ducts.

> >

> > Post-surgery flushing. I don't want to flush unless I have colic.

> Why

> > do that when my body is already working fine. Adrienne has done

> that

> > and she has created the same bile balls from the liver bile

anyway.

> > I believe that her colic could have been caused by a lot of

sludge,

> a

> > build up of grainy stones, or even one bigger stone and it was

good

> > for her to cleanse. The other soft balls she is getting out is

> > unnecessary in my opinion. Bile will come out from the liver in

> it's

> > normal function without the aid of fasting, flushing, and

creating

> > blob shape objects of soft bile. Once again, only my opinion.

> >

> > Does the flush work? Of course. If you can get out the bad stuff

> with

> > the bile balls then it is working. If you can't get out the bad

> stuff

> > with the bile balls you will know it because your body will still

> > tell you there is a problem with the colic attacks. More details,

> > questions, research, methods, choices must be observed to reach a

> > pain-free state. Tolerance, pain, happiness, health is all up to

> the

> > individual.

> >

> > So even though my opinion is open for attack, there it is. Read

> post

> > 10733 again, get an ultrasound to see what your body is doing

> > internally, keep flushing, keep dieting, and good luck to you. I

> know

> > the pain you are talking about. Some of us in here can really

> relate.

> >

> > Surgery was actually the right choice for my body. After I tried

> the

> > other options I then used my last option of surgery. I would

always

> > recommend flushing first. Heck, if you can keep your gb, keep it

by

> > all means. When they finally took my gb out I could see that it

was

> > in a pre-diseased condition and no amount of dieting or flushing

> > would have brought it back to function correctly again. In fact,

it

> > almost exploded during an attack. I went into ER during an attack

> and

> > the ultrasound of my gb looked like a balloon ready to pop. For

me

> it

> > was the needed option that I was prolonging. I'm not saying that

is

> > the case for everyone but it was in my particular case.