Re: Re: antiamalgamists

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" .....the half life in the body is something like 20 years. plus it lodges in

nerve tissue and other organs and glands. for some people, it just doesn't go

away unless you actively remove it...... "

Eat garlic, it removes it!

Jay

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Hi Ira,

I would expect no less from you than to be fascinated by such facts with you

having such an inquiring mind and all. You have good legitimate questions.

I wonder how much you really want to know the truth and how much you want to

throw smoke in the air to obscure some of the facts, but I won't try and

speculate on that. I can't really know.

Let me start at the beginning of my previous account and fill in the gaps

for you as you have requested.

My Dentist(Practicing in Atlanta, Georgia and licensed) uses the same type

of mercury monitor that miners use who trust their life to the accuracy of

the measurment that the air monitor is designed for. The exact manufacturer

and model number is otherwise irrelevant. He calibrates at the same

frequency and to the same accuracy that the manufacturer recommends. What

exactly that frequency is is not relevent to me. I know meters have to be

calibrated regularly and so does he. The test for mercury is done after ten

minutes of chewing regular over the counter gum. The meter when turned on

and warmed up reads zero until placed in the mouth. It draws air in from

the oral cavity just like our lungs do with every breath. It measures the

amount of mercury in the air and mine measured about 20 times the EPA limit

for mercury in the air. When the monitor probe is removed from the mouth it

again reads zero. The same mercury which is breathed in continuously is

absorbed in the saliva and gets swallowed. I'm sure you can do simple math

and calculate the rate of release of mercury. It of course varies with

whether you're chewing or not, whether you've eaten hot foods or not, and

other factors. The fact is that up to 40% of the mercury in a filling can

be lost over a lifetime in this way. I haven't personally done the tests,

so don't ask me to produce a double blind placebo controlled study with

which to prove this. The problem with becoming healthier as the mercury is

released is that we don't live long enough to outlive the toxic levels of

mercury unless we get rid of the source of the poison. It's with mixed

feelings that I answer you're post. The desire for everyone else who reads

this to learn more is what tipped the scale and motivated me. You seem to

be one that won't accept all the facts in the world which aren't presented

by the establishment. If so, this reply won't help you in the slightest. I

do, however, hope it help you.

Good Day,

Vince

> >Subject: Re: Fwd: antiamalgamists

> >

> >Ira, I'm going to say this in the nicest way I know how.

> >

> >This statement is a complete lie.

> >

> >Very accurate monitoring equipment used by miners can detect the amounts

> >of

> >mercury coming off your amalgam filled teeth. This amount in my mouth

> >with

> >12 fillings was 105 micro grams per cubic meter.

> >>>>>>>>>>>==End of Quoted Material==<<<<<<<<<<<

>

>Fascinating. Is that the amount of mercury in your fillings? In your

>oral cavity? In the atmosphere?

>

>What was the rate of release of mercury? How long would it take for ALL

>the mercury to be released? And then would you become healthy?

>

>What equipment did you use for the measurement? When had it last been

>calibrated?

>

>---------------------------

>IRA L. JACOBSON

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to add more to what vince said.

check out the amount of mercury in thimerosol which is used in childhood

vaccinations. and also in some other shots we get from doctors. from what i have

read, thimerosol is a much higher source of mercury than even fillings. double

jeopardy.

and even when you have your mercury fillings out, the half life in the body is

something like 20 years. plus it lodges in nerve tissue and other organs and

glands. for some people, it just doesn't go away unless you actively remove it.

the medical tests for mercury in body tissue are inaccurate. if you want to

learn more about it, check out andy cutler's book 'amalgam illness' or join the

mercury-autism list on groups. mercury poisoning is a very misunderstod

subject and a very complex one. it can also pass to a fetus via the placenta and

to an infant from breast milk. dentists have the highest suicide rate of any

profession. there are some countries that have banned mercury fillings. read hal

huggins' book 'it's all in your head' for the history of amalgam fillings.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jay,

Could you elaborate on this ? Raw garlic? Cooked garlic ? How does it do

this?

Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: <JayTownsend@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 2:51 PM

Subject: Re: Re: antiamalgamists

> " .....the half life in the body is something like 20 years. plus it lodges

in

> nerve tissue and other organs and glands. for some people, it just doesn't

go

> away unless you actively remove it...... "

>

>

> Eat garlic, it removes it!

>

>

> Jay

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jay,

I appreciate you mentioning this both times. It gave me the motivation I

needed to start eating garlic raw. Cilantro also chelates mercury even from

the brain so I'm told-it's one of the few things to pass the blood-brain

barrier and remove the metals. I grow both Cilantro and garlic so I can get

them fresh, organic and daily in season. I never connected the garlic with

detox, but I'm learning all the time.

Vince

>From: JayTownsend@...

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: Re: Re: antiamalgamists

>Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:51:02 EDT

>

> " .....the half life in the body is something like 20 years. plus it lodges

>in

>nerve tissue and other organs and glands. for some people, it just doesn't

>go

>away unless you actively remove it...... "

>

>

>Eat garlic, it removes it!

>

>

>Jay

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There are so many studies published on Internet, about amalgam safety, that

most people who have been studding this subject agree that the risk of

amalgam fillings is higher then the benefits.

Benefits: low price & durability.

All other fillings are more expensive, especially those that have the same

durability.

On February 18, 1994, decision was made to ban mercury fillings in Sweden

for children and youth 19 years of age because evidence showed them to be a

trigger of autoimmune disorder. Sweden has totally banned mercury amalgam

dental fillings, effective January, 1997, after determining that at least

250,000 Swedes have immune and other health disorders directly related to

the mercury in their teeth.

Denmark was suppose to ban amalgams in January 1999. I don't know what

happened.

Norwegian health authorities are not yet ready to ban amalgam, but they do

not recommend placement of Amalgam fillings in children teeth or in

pregnant women, due to to high risk. Same with Germany, Finland and few

other countries.

You can find more info here:

http://www.geocities.com/toothk/bernie6.html

VI. Scientists and Government Panels or Bodies That Have Found Amalgam

Fillings to be Unsafe.

A World Health Organization Scientific Panel concluded that there is no

safe level of mercury exposure(183,189,208). The Chairman of the panel,

Lars Friberg stated that " dental amalgam is not safe for everyone to

use(208,238).

In 1987 the Federal Dept. of Health in Germany issued an advisory warning

against use of dental amalgam in pregnant women(61). Most major countries

other than the U.S. have similar or more extensive bans or health warnings

regarding the use of amalgam, including Canada, Great Britain, France,

Austria, Norway, Sweden, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, etc. A Swedish

National Mercury Amalgam Review Panel found that " from a toxicological

point of view, mercury is too toxic to use as a filling material " (164). A

Swedish medical panel unanimously recommended to the government

" discontinuing the use of amalgam as a dental material " (282). The U.S. EPA

found that removed amalgam fillings are hazardous and must be sealed

airtight and exposed of as hazardous waste(214). Most European countries

require controls on dental waste amalgam emissions to sewers or air. A

Canadian Government study for Health Canada concluded that any person with

any number of amalgam fillings receives exposure beyond that recommended by

the USPHS Standard(209). Many of those researching amalgam related health

effects including several very prominent scientists have concluded that the

health effects are widespread and serious so that mercury should not be

used as a filling material

(1,18,19,26,36,38,57,60,61,88,94,99,100,113,125,126,148,

153,164,170,183,208,209,210,222,227,236,237,238,239,282).

The use of mercury amalgams has been banned for children and women of

child-bearing age or put on a schedule for phase out by several European

countries. The use of amalgam is declining in Europe and Germany's largest

producer of amalgam has ceased production, The director of the U.S. Federal

program overseeing dental safety advises against using mercury amalgam for

new fillings.

Page I, II, III, IV, V, VI, References 1-99, 100-199, 200-299, 300-329.

References: http://www.geocities.com/toothk/bernie6.html

At 23:03 19.05.2002 +0300, you wrote:

>Which countries?

[Guest guest]

>It did help me, as you see. I am looking forward to a more serious

>reply, which would address the real issues. I have a feeling that you

>could do so if you really want to.

>

You are correct. However, you are not intersted in any information from

anyone who is not published in peer reviewed journals and already widely

accepted as an " expert " . Therefore, the most relevant facts are irrelevant

to you. I'm not wasting any more list space on this discussion with you. I

fail to see how my former reply helped you in any way, but I'll take your

word for it that it did. I define help as it gave you information that you

can use in a practical way and change your behavior to make yourself more

healthy. Any other result was at best giving you something to persue in

your own quest for knowledge and and at worst useless. Wanting to know the

exact manufacterer and calibration frequency of the meter? Come on Ira, I

can spot a nit-picker when it is that obvious

>My best wishes for your good health.

And mine yours.

Vince

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Ira,

I do not need info. to prove vaccines are dangerous due to mercury content

b/c it is just plain common sense which I happen to have.

Ira, noone can prove that after 20 years after mercury is removed, 50%

remains and you know that, so why even ask.

Even my dentist knows that the dental profession has the highest suicide

rate and HE told me. Would you like his number ?

Yes, many countries have banned mercury, do your own research and you will

learn this.

The title of Huggins book is of no relevance.

Ira, you have not offered anything here that has helped me one iota, don't

know about the others. All you do is occasionally offer someone good

health.

Ira, you have caused some problems before, then were quiet for a while and

now you are back. I'm sick of your posts and wish you would leave. Don't

bother responding b/c your posts are being deleted from me from now on b/c

they are useless to me.

----- Original Message -----

From: " Ira L. son " <laser@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 4:03 PM

Subject: Re: antiamalgamists

> " Arthur Luckower " <aluckower@...> wrote:

>

> >check out the amount of mercury in thimerosol which is used in childhood

> >vaccinations. and also in some other shots we get from doctors. from

> >what i have read, thimerosol is a much higher source of mercury than

> >even fillings. double jeopardy.

>

> Arthur, rather than assign tasks, we would appreciate your providing the

> information. This might give us the tools to judge the validity of your

> claim.

>

> >and even when you have your mercury fillings out, the half life in the

> >body is something like 20 years.

>

> Are you saying that 20 years after you have your fillings removed, 50

> percent of the mercury is still in your body? That is amazing! Can you

> offer some documentation?

>

> Does this also apply to the amount of mercury in thimerosol that is used

> in childhood vaccinations? If not, why not?

>

> >dentists have the highest suicide rate of any profession.

>

> Source?

>

> > there are some countries that have banned mercury fillings.

>

> Which countries?

>

> >read hal huggins' book 'it's all in your head' for the history of

> >amalgam fillings.

>

> Where can I find this scientific treatise? The title is unlike that of

> any other scientific work I have ever read or heard of.

>

> My best wishes for your good health.

>

>

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>>Ira, you have caused some problems before, then were quiet for a while and

now you are back<<

I have not read all of this thread, but unless I am mistaken, Ira has never

insulted or been mean to anyone here. (Unless I missed something.) He has

his sources, and others have theirs. He asks some challenging questions.

How is this a problem? I think the title of a book mentioned is very

relevant, because he could read it, and maybe garner some information which

would help him understand his point of view.

I have no strong opinions on this issue one way or the other, but I am

open-minded, and find both sides interesting. I have mercury fillings, I've

had many, since I was 11. I'm not worried about myself, but my kids have a

few, and they have been vaccinated, and I don't know enough about it all to

say with certainty that there is no danger for anyone. My kids were all

vaccinated in the 80's, before everyone had the wealth of information about

every subject at their fingertips, as they do now.

When my kids had their fillings, I talked to my dentist about it, and he

said that he had no worries about his own his having them. I figured he was

a whole lot more up on current info then I was. Again, this was before

everyone was on-line.

I have a very good friend who reminds me of Ira. He is extremely bright,

and very challenging to debate any issue with, because he has an answer for

everything, and they are rational, well-presented, well-backed arguements.

Sometimes, even when I feel I am right, I cannot logically prove it. It can

be frustrating, but he challenges me. He makes me work harder, think

harder, to prove my point. Even when I can't, I don't get mad at him for

it.

Debra

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I'm pretty sure I did not say he insulted anyone or was mean.

I feel like we're in the dark ages when debating whether amalgam is

dangerous or not. But I'm glad you are getting something out of it.

There was another debate a month or so ago that went on and on and on and

did not provide any good info. to me.

----- Original Message -----

From: " D B " <fairyflight@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 7:48 PM

Subject: Re: Re: antiamalgamists

>

> >>Ira, you have caused some problems before, then were quiet for a while

and

> now you are back<<

>

> I have not read all of this thread, but unless I am mistaken, Ira has

never

> insulted or been mean to anyone here. (Unless I missed something.) He

has

> his sources, and others have theirs. He asks some challenging questions.

> How is this a problem? I think the title of a book mentioned is very

> relevant, because he could read it, and maybe garner some information

which

> would help him understand his point of view.

>

> I have no strong opinions on this issue one way or the other, but I am

> open-minded, and find both sides interesting. I have mercury fillings,

I've

> had many, since I was 11. I'm not worried about myself, but my kids have

a

> few, and they have been vaccinated, and I don't know enough about it all

to

> say with certainty that there is no danger for anyone. My kids were all

> vaccinated in the 80's, before everyone had the wealth of information

about

> every subject at their fingertips, as they do now.

> When my kids had their fillings, I talked to my dentist about it, and he

> said that he had no worries about his own his having them. I figured he

was

> a whole lot more up on current info then I was. Again, this was before

> everyone was on-line.

>

> I have a very good friend who reminds me of Ira. He is extremely bright,

> and very challenging to debate any issue with, because he has an answer

for

> everything, and they are rational, well-presented, well-backed arguements.

> Sometimes, even when I feel I am right, I cannot logically prove it. It

can

> be frustrating, but he challenges me. He makes me work harder, think

> harder, to prove my point. Even when I can't, I don't get mad at him for

> it.

>

> Debra

>

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Arthur,

Regarding the whey chelating the mercury - have you done the organic acid

profile by Great Plains? There is someone quite knowledgeable on another

list I am on that explained that low citric acid and high AK is a good

indicator that your intracellular glutathione is low.

I have no idea if my intracellular mercury is high or not, my blood mercury

is normal, but knowing my intracellular GSH will tell me if my cells could

detoxify the heavy metals from the cells.

I agree, the liver flushes will help with the mercury. I think coffee

enemas will be useful too.

----- Original Message -----

From: " Arthur Luckower " <aluckower@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: antiamalgamists

> if you don't believe mercury is bad, then break open a thermometer and

have a party with your kids.

> i'll come to visit your family in the asylum.

>

> if you do, like me, then here is the info i have come up with

>

> try andy cutler's chelation protocol. i've done about 15 rounds with alpha

lipoic acid. and one round with dmsa and ala. had a slightly different

feeling with the dmsa. i've read about cilantro, but alot of people claim it

is dangerous if you don't use it properly. susan weed recommends burdock

root tea and eating sea vegetables. aajonus vonderplanitz recommends eating

berries with raw cream or homemade coconut cream, small amounts of squash

juice, and raw shellfish like clams and oysters. his theory is that these

shellfish store mercury in the shells and not the flesh. my own theory is

that these liver flushes help deal with mercury. it is possible that some

the stones form around metal. i've never had this tested... justa a hunch.

if not then they make you less allergic to food and able to process or

produce the glutathione precursors. there is a guy on oxyplus who claims

that immunocal has taken care of some people's mercury problems. and there

is a woman on cyberspace lluana lei who claims that bentonite baths will

draw out metals through the skin. i am assuming i am mercury toxic since i

fit the profile to a tee, and do respond to andy cutler's protocol. but i am

looking for better ways to do it since it is difficult. and then there are

the myriad ways in which mercury toxicity can manifest. all the problems it

has created must be addressed. i find eating raw foods has been of great

help. much better than supplements. since mercury possibly interferes with

enzyme production. a little raw food goes a long way. some people claim that

ozone will detoxify mercury, but i don't believe this. perhaps it gets your

body working better and thus better able to detoxify it on its own.

>

> 1 week after a had my amalgams replaced i started passing 3 foot

parasites. coincidence?

>

> there is also the theory that if a person is both mercury toxic and has

taken antibiotics for a long term then this methylates the mercury and makes

it orders of magnitudes deadlier. i fit into this category having been on

antibiotics for 9 months on college.

>

> i try to keep an open mind about things though. and not concentrate on

evil substances, but rather what i can do to feel well. for a long time i

thought parasites were the cause of my illness, now i don't think so. so i

have learned a good lesson there. and who knows what lessons lay in the

waiting. i know when i feel good and i know when i feel bad. i try to find

relationships in the things i do, think, or ingest, to see if i feel better

or worse as a result. dogmas more often than not sem to fail. for example,

why do we need to do liver cleanses, and some people don't? what causes bile

stagnation? has anyone had the liver stones analyzed for heavy metal?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

P.S. have you checked out these bentonite baths?

----- Original Message -----

From: " ~ ~ " <sbulmer@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:47 PM

Subject: Re: Re: antiamalgamists

> Arthur,

> Regarding the whey chelating the mercury - have you done the organic acid

> profile by Great Plains? There is someone quite knowledgeable on another

> list I am on that explained that low citric acid and high AK is a good

> indicator that your intracellular glutathione is low.

> I have no idea if my intracellular mercury is high or not, my blood

mercury

> is normal, but knowing my intracellular GSH will tell me if my cells could

> detoxify the heavy metals from the cells.

>

> I agree, the liver flushes will help with the mercury. I think coffee

> enemas will be useful too.

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Arthur Luckower " <aluckower@...>

> <gallstones >

> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:16 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: antiamalgamists

>

>

> > if you don't believe mercury is bad, then break open a thermometer and

> have a party with your kids.

> > i'll come to visit your family in the asylum.

> >

> > if you do, like me, then here is the info i have come up with

> >

> > try andy cutler's chelation protocol. i've done about 15 rounds with

alpha

> lipoic acid. and one round with dmsa and ala. had a slightly different

> feeling with the dmsa. i've read about cilantro, but alot of people claim

it

> is dangerous if you don't use it properly. susan weed recommends burdock

> root tea and eating sea vegetables. aajonus vonderplanitz recommends

eating

> berries with raw cream or homemade coconut cream, small amounts of squash

> juice, and raw shellfish like clams and oysters. his theory is that these

> shellfish store mercury in the shells and not the flesh. my own theory is

> that these liver flushes help deal with mercury. it is possible that some

> the stones form around metal. i've never had this tested... justa a hunch.

> if not then they make you less allergic to food and able to process or

> produce the glutathione precursors. there is a guy on oxyplus who claims

> that immunocal has taken care of some people's mercury problems. and there

> is a woman on cyberspace lluana lei who claims that bentonite baths will

> draw out metals through the skin. i am assuming i am mercury toxic since i

> fit the profile to a tee, and do respond to andy cutler's protocol. but i

am

> looking for better ways to do it since it is difficult. and then there are

> the myriad ways in which mercury toxicity can manifest. all the problems

it

> has created must be addressed. i find eating raw foods has been of great

> help. much better than supplements. since mercury possibly interferes with

> enzyme production. a little raw food goes a long way. some people claim

that

> ozone will detoxify mercury, but i don't believe this. perhaps it gets

your

> body working better and thus better able to detoxify it on its own.

> >

> > 1 week after a had my amalgams replaced i started passing 3 foot

> parasites. coincidence?

> >

> > there is also the theory that if a person is both mercury toxic and has

> taken antibiotics for a long term then this methylates the mercury and

makes

> it orders of magnitudes deadlier. i fit into this category having been on

> antibiotics for 9 months on college.

> >

> > i try to keep an open mind about things though. and not concentrate on

> evil substances, but rather what i can do to feel well. for a long time i

> thought parasites were the cause of my illness, now i don't think so. so i

> have learned a good lesson there. and who knows what lessons lay in the

> waiting. i know when i feel good and i know when i feel bad. i try to find

> relationships in the things i do, think, or ingest, to see if i feel

better

> or worse as a result. dogmas more often than not sem to fail. for example,

> why do we need to do liver cleanses, and some people don't? what causes

bile

> stagnation? has anyone had the liver stones analyzed for heavy metal?

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

if you don't believe mercury is bad, then break open a thermometer and have a

party with your kids.

i'll come to visit your family in the asylum.

if you do, like me, then here is the info i have come up with

try andy cutler's chelation protocol. i've done about 15 rounds with alpha

lipoic acid. and one round with dmsa and ala. had a slightly different feeling

with the dmsa. i've read about cilantro, but alot of people claim it is

dangerous if you don't use it properly. susan weed recommends burdock root tea

and eating sea vegetables. aajonus vonderplanitz recommends eating berries with

raw cream or homemade coconut cream, small amounts of squash juice, and raw

shellfish like clams and oysters. his theory is that these shellfish store

mercury in the shells and not the flesh. my own theory is that these liver

flushes help deal with mercury. it is possible that some the stones form around

metal. i've never had this tested... justa a hunch. if not then they make you

less allergic to food and able to process or produce the glutathione precursors.

there is a guy on oxyplus who claims that immunocal has taken care of some

people's mercury problems. and there is a woman on cyberspace lluana lei who

claims that bentonite baths will draw out metals through the skin. i am assuming

i am mercury toxic since i fit the profile to a tee, and do respond to andy

cutler's protocol. but i am looking for better ways to do it since it is

difficult. and then there are the myriad ways in which mercury toxicity can

manifest. all the problems it has created must be addressed. i find eating raw

foods has been of great help. much better than supplements. since mercury

possibly interferes with enzyme production. a little raw food goes a long way.

some people claim that ozone will detoxify mercury, but i don't believe this.

perhaps it gets your body working better and thus better able to detoxify it on

its own.

1 week after a had my amalgams replaced i started passing 3 foot parasites.

coincidence?

there is also the theory that if a person is both mercury toxic and has taken

antibiotics for a long term then this methylates the mercury and makes it orders

of magnitudes deadlier. i fit into this category having been on antibiotics for

9 months on college.

i try to keep an open mind about things though. and not concentrate on evil

substances, but rather what i can do to feel well. for a long time i thought

parasites were the cause of my illness, now i don't think so. so i have learned

a good lesson there. and who knows what lessons lay in the waiting. i know when

i feel good and i know when i feel bad. i try to find relationships in the

things i do, think, or ingest, to see if i feel better or worse as a result.

dogmas more often than not sem to fail. for example, why do we need to do liver

cleanses, and some people don't? what causes bile stagnation? has anyone had the

liver stones analyzed for heavy metal?

[Guest guest]

i haven't done this test. i don't believe in the accuracy of tests anymore. i

just try things and see how i feel. i feel something happening when i take the

alpha lipoic acid every three hours, so i will assume that i am mercury toxic. i

tried immunocal a few years ago, and didn't feel like anything was happening. i

tried raw milk last year and definitely noticed something going on. i feel that

raw foods are more powerful than supplements. i do feel some positive benefit

from the squash juice but i haven't been doing it recently. i haven't done the

clay baths yet. it's been on the back of my mind, but haven't been drawn to it.

as far as glutathione goes, my intuition is that there are lots of ways to

accomplish this.

[Guest guest]

You've lost me now Ira. Measuring the air in the mouth is different than

measuring the air that we are breathing outside of our mouth? This is why I

don't see the point in discussing it any more. If we can't even accept

something so obvious and basic, why punish ourselves and the whole list

further?

Vince

>From: " Ira L. son " <laser@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: Re: antiamalgamists

>Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:14:23 +0300

>

>Vince wrote:

> >Wanting to know the

> >exact manufacterer and calibration frequency of the meter? Come on Ira,

> >I

> >can spot a nit-picker when it is that obvious

>

>Come on, Vince. You know that either the instrument was not suitable for

>the task, or it had not been calibrated recently; more likely both.

>

>Am I right? What does that say about the measurements?

>

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[Guest guest]

>What I don't understand is why the moderators permit these personal

>attacks to be disseminated. I would hope that in the future, if anyone

>feels the deep personal need to be nasty, at least do it off-line, in a

>private email.

Ira, we may disagree on some subjects,

but I do agree with you on this one.

Personal attacks do not belong here, as this group is suppose to be a

support group, not a group for political debate!

Very often people do disagree on many subjects, but that is not the reason

for attacking them.

We can't all be identical, and we can't all think the same way.

Please, I urge all of members to avoid posting unsupportive messages, and

to accept that every member of this group may have different opinion on

many subjects, opinion that sometimes is or is not a mainstream of the

group. Tolerance ...

And Ira, it would also help a lot if you would let people have their

beliefs without always provoking reaction and asking for the facts or for

the proof of their opinion or statements, because that is the perfect way

to provoke a personal attack.

So, in case of this conflict, I say 50:50. Both sides were responsible.

In reality, the producers and pushers of amalgam should be the one to

provide facts that amalgam is safe, rather then the sick people.

But there are very many people today questioning safety, while there is not

enough independent research that have established levels of safety.

Amalgam have become a political question, and just as any other political

question, you can just say good buy to unbiased science.

I still have 2 fillings with amalgam in my mouth. I am healthy and I don't

rush to replace them. But, once upon a time, it was 7 fillings, and for the

last 10 years I just made sure that all new fillings and all replacements

are ceramic (Cerec), but 2 are still left.

If you are a healthy person, and if you have few amalgams, do not rush to

replace them, until you really have to.

But, if you do suffer any symptoms of chronic mercury poisoning, (and some

people suffering from MS, CFS, MCS, Cancer, Aids, Arthritis, FMS,

candidiasis, Leaky gut ... do have quite many of those symptoms), then you

better make sure you learn as much as possible about amalgam and about

Amalgam Replacement Protocol, and about alternative materials, before you

start messing around with your fillings. Most people who made many

replacements in a short time, faced a period of worst health, period that

sometimes lasted for a years,... long enough to kill someone already dying

from Cancer, Aids, CFS, MS,....

If you happened to be dying from Cancer, Aids, CFS, Psoriasis, MS, ....

then Hulda's suggestion to extract the whole teeth instead of drilling the

toxic filling (... beside doing 50 other things) could be a good idea to

possibly earn few more days or months or years/decades of life (... beside

doing 50 other things).

But, no one can give you a guaranty that it will save your life, just like

no one can give you a guaranty that 10 flushes will solve gallbladder

problem, though there are people who were fortunate enough to solve their

pain with few flushes.

Every person is different, and science based on statistics can not take

care of individual sensitivity.

That is why asking for the science is not always the best way to go.

best of health

Agnes

[Guest guest]

>>>What I don't understand is why the moderators permit these personal

>attacks to be disseminated. I would hope that in the future, if anyone

>feels the deep personal need to be nasty, at least do it off-line, in a

>private email.<<

I agree totally. I have felt this way for a long time. This is no place

for people to be mean, and it goes on too often.

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here's a quote from andy cutler

The usual terminology:

liquid mercury and its vapor - the cool silvery looking stuff - is metallic

mercury.

The form of mercury in your amalgam fillings is metallic mercury. Amalgam

mercury both evaporates to be inhaled and is also corroded to form inorganic

mercury which is swallowed.

Metallic mercury evaporates readily, the vapors are absorbed into the

bloodstream and carried all over the body, and they pass the blood brain

barrier easily. Once in the body they are oxidized in a few seconds into the

mercuric form of inorganic mercury. This makes the vapors just as dangerous

as organic mercury.

Organic mercury is in the form of a mercury ion (inorganic mercury) with an

organic group stuck onto it. Such as the ethyl group in ethylmercuric

thiosalicylate, trade name Thimerosal or Merthiolate. Your body slowly

converts organic mercury to inorganic mercury. The half life of

methlymercury is 44 days - mostly it is converted to inorganic mercury in

your body before it is excreted. Organic mercury crosses the blood brain

barrier easily.

Inorganic mercury has 2 forms. One of these, mercurous mercury, isn't very

important since it isn't stable in your body. It is also very poorly aborbed

from the intestinal tract. Old laxatives used to contain it in the form of

calomel (Hg2Cl2). Rarely, people who took calomel laxatives daily for

decades would get mercury poisoning.

The important form of inorganic mercury for our discussion is mercuric

mercury, Hg++. This is stable in your body. The organic and metallic

mercury that get into your brain and are oxidized there are turned into this

form of mercury. Since inorganic mercury does not cross the blood brain

barrier at all well, this means that once the metallic or organic mercury

gets into your brain and is oxidized there it doesn't come out. Inorganic

mercuric mercury doesn't evaporate and is not very well absorbed from the

intestine - maybe 10%. Thus it is considered less toxic than metallic or

organic mercury, but more toxic than mercurous mercury.

Mercurochrome contains inorganic mercury.

All forms of mercury are absorbed reasonably well through the skin. Organic

mercury being very well absorbed.

The inorganic mercuric mercury is what does the actual damage - it is an

oxidation catalyst. Organic mercury is innocuous as long as it is organic.

The damage happens when it is turned into inorganic mercury. This is why

people who get organic mercury poisoning don't show symptoms right away. It

is also why fish can have enough mercury in them to poison people but be

perfectly healthy themselves. Fish turn inorganic mercury into organic

mercury and thus passivate it. Mammals don't turn inorganic mercury into

organic mercury - we go the other way.

also from andy cutler...

Al-Shahristani H. and Shihab K. (1974) Variation in biological half-life of

methylmercury in man. Arch. Environ. Hlth 28: 342-344.

J C, et al. (994) The kinetics of intravenously administered methyl

mercury in man Tox. Appl. Pharmacol. 128: 251-6.

Tons of papers on half life of regular mercury here, or exposure to it.

Aposhian HV, Bruce DC, Alter W, Dart R, Hurlbut KM, and Aposhian MM.

(1992) Urinary mercury after administration of

2,3-dimercaptopropane-1-sulfonic acid: correlation with dental amalgam score.

FASEB J. 6: 2472-2476.

Barregård L, Sällsten G, and Järvholm B. (1995) People with high

mercury uptake from their own dental amalgam fillings. Occ. Environ. Med. 52

: 124-8.

Bjorkman L, Sandborg-Englund G, and Ekstand J. (1997) Mercury in saliva

and feces after removal of amalgam fillings. Toxicol. Appl. Pharmacol. 144;

156-62.

Roels H, Boeckx M, Ceulemans E and Lauwerys R. (1991) Urinary

excretion of mercury after occupational exposure to mercury vapour and

influence of the chelating agent meso-2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA). Bri

t . J. Ind. Med. 48: 247-253.

Begerow J, Zander D, Freier I, and Dunemann L. (1994) Long-term

mercury excretion in urine after removal of amalgam fillings. Int. Arch.

Occ. Environ. Hlth. 66: 209-212.

Effects of mercury on neurological stuff.

Echeverria D, Heyer N, M, Naleway, A, Woods J and Bittner

A. (1995) Behavioral effects of low-level exposure to Hgo among dentists. Ne

urotoxicol. Teratol. 17: 161-8.

Kishi R, Doi R, Fukuchi Y, Satoh H, Satoh R, Ono A, Moriwaka F, Tashiro K,

Takahata N, et al. (1993) Subjective Symptoms and Neurobehavioral

Performances of Ex-Mercury Miners at an Average of 18 Years after the

Cessation of Chronic Exposure to Mercury Vapor, Environmental Research 62

289-302.

Immune abberations are only controversial for MD's since zero of them in the

" mainstream " group appear capable of picking up their calculators and using

the numbers and equations in references this paper cites to verifty that mice

and rats have problems at the same blood concentrations of mercury that

people get from what their pediatricians do to them.

Eneström S, and Hultman P. (1995) Does amalgam affect the immune system? A

controversial issue. Int. Arch. Allergy Immunol. 106: 180-203.

Adenylate cyclase is the transducing enzyme for dopamine and other

neurotransmitters that are known to not " work right " in autism and ADHD.

Ritalin increases brain dopamine activity, for example. The effect seen in

this paper is substantial at physiologically relevant concentrations.

Ewers U, and Erbe R. (1980) Effects of Lead, Cadmium and Mercury on Brain

Adenylate Cyclase. Toxicology 16: 227-237.

Direct determinations of mercury and lead in hair of problem children shows

they are related.

Marlowe M, Errera J, Stellern J and Beck D (1983) Lead and mercury levels in

emotionally disturbed children. Journal of Orthomolecular Psychiatry, 12:

260-270.

Marlowe M, Moon C, Errera J, s J, Brunson M, Stellern J and Schroeder

C (1986) Low mercury levels and childhood intelligence. Journal of

Orthomolecular Medicine, 1: 43-49.

Direct determinations of mercury and lead in hair of sick people shows they

are related. " Mentally " as well as physically sick, that is.

Nakagawa R (1995) Concentration of mercury in hair of diseased people in

Japan. Chemosphere 30: 135-40.

Silberud RL, Motl J and Kienholtz E (1998) Psychometric evidence that dental

amalgam mercury may be an etiologic factor in manic depression. Journal of

Orthomolecular Medicine, 13: 31-40.

The following is the article that got Health Canada started in the argument

about whether to allow amalgam in children and pregnant women. Numbers don't

lie but MD's don't use numbers so they are not capable of reading this paper

and realizing it is completely compelling and correct.

GM, and Allan M. (1996) A Monte Carlo Assessment of Mercury

Exposure and Risks from Dental Amalgam. Human and Ecological Risk Assessment,

2: (4) 709-761.

Yes, the mercurochrome etc is well absorbed. Nobody has dared do further

studies since this one - which is too old to be in medline.

Skog E, and Wahlberg J. (1964) A comparative investigation of the

percutaneous absorption of metal compounds in the guinea pig by means of the

radioactive isotopes: 51Cr, 58Co, 65Zn, 110mAg, 115mCd, 203Hg. J.

Invest. Dermatol. 43: 187-92.

end of quote.

i'm not exactly sure how hg gets methylated in the body, but i think it has

something to do with certain types of bacteria. so we might look at metallic

mercury in a lab and see one thing, and then expose it to acid and bacteria in

the mouth, then have a completely different substance. if you want to get into

this you can join the autism treatment list and go toe to toe with andy. he is a

ph.d. biochemist.

[Guest guest]

Well, Ira, I would say you should also do some more research regarding

amalgams and what is in them. Not all of the mercury amalgamates, and

therefore as I've pointed out before, there are very small mercury

particulates of the mercury left in the amalgams.

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0907/n3_v53/20831239/p1/article.jhtml

Perhaps it would behoove you to consider doing more research before making

intellectual attacks on others on this or any other list who are seeking

alterative medical assistance. This group is about alternative methods of

attempting to keep one's gallbladder and has very little to do with amalgam

issues. Why you would want to bring it up is beyond my understanding as to

what it is you're hoping to accomplish. Perhaps you would like to enlighten

me and the others here as to just how your information regarding dental

amalgam use is going to help me and others to gain better health. I will be

only too glad to listen.

The article presented on this message should keep you busy reading for

awhile, or just jump to the Conclusion.

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0907/n3_v53/20831239/p12/article.jhtml?t

erm=

Dale

----- Original Message -----

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> I hope that you are aware of the difference between elemental mercury,

> which is indeed " bad, " and an amalgam containing mercury, in which the

> mercury is very stable and not nearly so " bad. "

>

> I would suggest that it would be worth your while to get at least this

> fact clear in your mind before you take major steps in changing your

> lifestyle.

>

> ---------------------------

> IRA L. JACOBSON

> ---------------------------

> mailto:laser@...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

ey, I've just had an idea ) Why don't you tell me what your thoughts

about gallbladder flushing are, and I'll tell you what mine are. Then, we

can compare notes and both of us can learn more from each other. What do

you say? I'v just done flush number 5, and have gotten what I consider good

results. Have you done any flushes? Interested in doing any? Hesitant to

do any? Let me know something and I'd be interested in discussing it with

you )

Vince,

You've just said a mouthful. What you've just said is what this group is

supposed to be about anyway, a sharing of ideas about cleansings. If someone

wants to constantly argue about a person's success, why don't they start

their own group and hash it out there.

Susie

[Guest guest]

dale, i happen to agree with your point of view.

but...

ira's right to argue his point is fine with me. i like a person who questions

everything. this is how we arrive at truth. i was a doubting ira about the

cleanses until i discovered that they were real. i also disagree with you about

the relevance of the amalgam issue. if ira turns out to be right, then he has

disproved a theory of mine. if he turns out to be wrong (most likely :-) ),

then he might be validating one of my implied theories... that mercury poisoning

might be one of the factors that leads to the formation stones. either directly

or indirectly. it has been my experience that the body works as a symphony.

everything is interdependent. so far, no one has proved what is the exact cause

for the formation of liver stones. until this is done, i will keep my my open to

any cause that sounds reasonable to me.

i don't see ira's questions as belligerent. just forthright. this is a needed

perspective to keep the rest of us from self-indulgence. self-indulgence can

lead one down the path of destruction just as easily as some buttered movie

popcorn. ( i am semi-reformed self-indulgentist) i get the best of both worlds

by following this philosophy.

one of my mentors many years ago was a reformed ama bastard. dr. h.l. newbold.

he was an ex-psychiatrist turned nutritionist. one of his books is used as a

standard college text for psychology. later in life he became very ill with

heart disease, and was close to death. he came to an epiphany while lying in the

hospital, that his symptoms were identical to drug withdrawal. he turned out to

be the forefather of all the atkins-like diets. he just never tried to be famous

with it. but he cured countless people of disease using environmental medicine

and diet. he often told me that he never thought he would wind up telling people

how important cooking was. and he renounced 30 years of his previous psychiatric

training because the results he achieved with his patients using nutrition was

far superior. if anyone is interested, he has many books out on the subject. he

was very much ahead of his time with regard to environmental medicine. i

frequently heard stories about him curing people with the most unobvious

methods. for example, a person with turrets syndrome was cured by changing the

person's sneakers. apparently the man was absorbing toxic fumes through the

soles of his feet from the sneakers. it's too bad that he didn't know about the

liver cleanses or amalgam poisoning. one of his favorite things to say to other

doctors who pretended to understand how the human body worked was:'can you build

a human being from scratch?'

he came to an understanding of how the system worked later in life. that money

and politics were more potent factors in medicine than the desire to undercover

truths. sadly, i am forced to agree. i wish this weren't the case.

[Guest guest]

>From: " Ira L. son " <laser@...>

> > " V. Richter " <new_man85@...>

> >Subject: Re: Re:

> >

> >You've lost me now Ira. Measuring the air in the mouth is different

> >than

> >measuring the air that we are breathing outside of our mouth?

>

>Here's an interesting analogy.

>

>The weatherman uses a barometer to measure the air pressure in the

>environment.

>

>I would like to take his instrument and measure the air pressure in my

>tires.

>

>What value would such a measurement have?

>

>Now, substitute " mine meter " for barometer, mercury concentration for air

>pressure, and mouth for tire.

>

>Perhaps I have now clarified why the measurement that you have made is

>not relevant.

>

>If my view needs further clarification, I'd be glad to try again.

>

>Otherwise, my questions about your measurement are still valid and have

>not been answered.

>

Ira, please try and listen to this without jumping to any more false

conlusions. When testing for mercury vapors coming off of the amalgams, the

mouth is open a slight amount to allow free air flow in and out, while the

wand is inserted into the mouth and air is drawn from the mouth into the

wand. The air is then drawn down the flexible hose into the monitor for

detection of mercury. This is exactly what is done in the mines when

detecting the air level of mercury. The air in the mouth is just that much

closer to the lungs. As you are probably well aware, the lungs are very

good at transfering the vapors we breath into our blood stream and then into

various tissues in our body. The impurities than get to be filtered by our

livers and then our gallbladders end up with the impurities in the bile

headed toward the intestines to get eliminated.

> >This is why I

> >don't see the point in discussing it any more. If we can't even accept

> >something so obvious and basic, why punish ourselves and the whole list

> >further?

>

>Simply because it is obvious that your measurements are made with an

>uncalibrated, unidentified instrument that appears to be unsuitable for

>the job.

>

Ira, my measurements were made with a calibrated, identified instrument that

was the most suitible for the job. For you to say otherwise with absolutely

no proof is not in the least objective or scientific in the true sense of

the word scientific. You do yourself an injustice when you are so biased

and ready to jump to unsupported conlusions. I would expect better than

that from you.

Hey, I've just had an idea ) Why don't you tell me what your thoughts

about gallbladder flushing are, and I'll tell you what mine are. Then, we

can compare notes and both of us can learn more from each other. What do

you say? I'v just done flush number 5, and have gotten what I consider good

results. Have you done any flushes? Interested in doing any? Hesitant to

do any? Let me know something and I'd be interested in discussing it with

you )

Vince

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ira's right to argue his point is fine with me. i like a person who

questions everything. this is how we arrive at truth. i was a doubting ira

about the cleanses until i discovered that they were real. i also disagree

with you about the relevance of the amalgam issue. if ira turns out to be

right, then he has disproved a theory of mine. if he turns out to be wrong

(most likely :-) ), then he might be validating one of my implied

theories... that mercury poisoning might be one of the factors that leads to

the formation stones. either directly or indirectly. it has been my

experience that the body works as a symphony. everything is interdependent.

so far, no one has proved what is the exact cause for the formation of liver

stones. until this is done, i will keep my my open to any cause that sounds

reasonable to me.

i don't see ira's questions as belligerent. just forthright. this is a

needed perspective to keep the rest of us from self-indulgence.

self-indulgence can lead one down the path of destruction just as easily as

some buttered movie popcorn. ( i am semi-reformed self-indulgentist) i get

the best of both worlds by following this philosophy.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Arther;

I agree with you regarding anyone's right to ask questions and to progress

in learning. I do however find it hard to continue reading the same old

arguments over and over again without solid reasoning behind the questions

or the answers.

I too agree that the body is a synergetic entity and therefore all the parts

work together to make it work effeciently. The various introduction of other

inputs such as metals or toxins cause the body to react in various ways.

Some people can't wear gold, silver, or copper jewelry because it will cause

them to have various types of reactions to the metals being in contact with

their skin. However, on the other side of the street, there are people that

wear these metals to help in a healing process, such as the use of copper,

silver, or gold bracelets for arthritis.

I can appreciate the use of these items for a good purpose or the lack of

use because of a potential danger. It is also the reason that I tend to see

the potental of a vapor gas from mercury as a very probable danger not to

mention the addition of the various other metals contained in an amalgam for

dental work. Some people will not react to it, where as others will have

terible reactions, and their body has the metal removed they can't get back

to having reasonably good health.

When detoxing we're attempting to get heavy metals and other toxins removed

from the body. Shoot even the government came to recongnize the importance

of lead free gasoline to protect society and nature from its dangers. The

report that I posted pointed to the fact that mercury can come from the

amagams in the mouth of the subjects, and therefore because of what this

states there is a potentail danger from that mercury gas and mercury

particles. The fact that there are mercury particles means there is heavy

metal being released from the amalgams and therefore a danger to the health

of the individual who has an amalgam in their mouth. Ira is of the belief

that there are not any particles to be found from the use of amagams. This

simply isn't the case at hand according this report or the following one

with some good information as to just how the ADA isn't required to protect

the public.

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0907/n3_v53/20831239/p1/article.jhtml

http://www.amalgam.org/

http://www.amalgam.org/#anchor68912

So, it boils down to just showing some respect and supporting an argument

with some sort of substantive reference. IF you're going to be using

something from the ADA just realize that they don't have to say yay or nay

and be held accountable. That's all I'm asking.

Dale

[Guest guest]

Arthur, sorry for the misspelling of your name.

Dale

[Guest guest]

Amalgams, a recent experience.

I've been watching the discussions on amalgams without commenting because I'm

not convinced that there is a significant risk. But that's just my opinion.

Anyway, today I had a long visit at the University of Washington dental

school with a student who has been doing a lot of work on my teeth. Today's

work was removing an amalgam, which will be replaced in 2 weeks with a gold

cap, not a crown, and I don't remember the exact term for this item. This

student isn't a " kid " - he's at least 30 and has a lot of life experiences

besides school, and I have a lot of respect for him and his work. He is

meticulous, and he has made two crowns for me already.

Today I mentioned that a Scandinavian country has outlawed amalgams and

others have restricted their use, and he was aware of that. He said that the

UofW position on them is the normal ADA position, that they are OK. However,

he said that he himself will not use them when he sets up practice and has in

fact replaced all of his own (3 or 4) with gold. He said that he believes

that the official UofW position is the way it is because they have been used

for so long that they are basically not willing to do a fair study on them.

That's his personal opinion, not an official statement.

During this brief discussion on amalgams he pointed out that when they are

worked on, or as in my case replaced, that there is an " explosion " of mercury

that obviously transfers to the body, even with a rubber dam. The dust from

drilling and more than likely the vaporization of mercury from the drilling

heat cannot be kept away from inhalation or mixing with saliva. I wanted to

make that point. If you do have amalgams removed, even the process of

removal can give you a significant shot of mercury into your body - probably

far beyond the level that " leeched " out since installation. As soon as I got

home I juiced up a bunch of carrots along with a globe/head of garlic (12-15

cloves) and drank it. Garlic has been found to eliminate mercury from the

body at a ratio of 10 to 1, 10 parts garlic removes 1 part of mercury. I

have been juicing with lots of garlic cloves the past few days anyway, so

hopefully I protected myself before the work, and I'll be juicing with garlic

for many days to come in preparation for another flush.

By the way, he mentioned that plastic non-metallic amalgam replacement has

problems of its own. The plastic doesn't last long and breaks up easily

allowing for new decay. I'm going to have my remaining amalgams removed

there, and will go the gold route, because my amalgams are very old. (Today

he found decay under the amalgam that hadn't shown up from either X-Rays or

visual inspection.)

Jay