Guest guest Posted May 15, 2002 Report Share Posted May 15, 2002 > From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@...> Subject: Re: the " stones " debate revisited > I believe in alternative medical approaches as well as general medical practices. I need both and so does everyone. I don't and either does anyone else. You only " need " them because you think you do. > Why do all the alternative medical doctors believe that gallstones are caused by herediary reasons? Because they are wacko? I don't know. Ask them. > Both medical sides (alternative and general) believe this to be true, why don't you? Thought I said this already. Because I believe in health, not medicine. And that the corporate drug pushers are not only harmful and corrupt, but dangerous. I do believe you can learn some things from medical doctors. For example, I feel if you listen very carefully to everything they say... then do the exact opposite... you'll be fine. But the easiest way is just to stay away from them in the first place. Looking again at the theme of this list, it is removing gallstones without surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 , I will say it again in another way that may make sense to you. We all need both (alternative health methods and general medicine). You say you don't need general medicine. If you get hit by a car, you may need a doctor. If you have a heart attack, you may need a doctor, etc. Both fields have their healthy and helpful purposes. Now do you see the point? I'm sure we are not in dissagreement or anything on this point. It may only be a missunderstanding. Your next statement about alternative method doctors believing hereditary reasons as one of the many causes of gallstones. You call them 'wacko'? Maybe this is another missunderstanding. The cleanse doctors who have created the flush methods you are doing are all wacko? I don't get it. So, all the doctors who are alternative health or general medicine are all wacko and you are correct? Where did you earn your degree? You are right about one thing. This group is not to bash or support medicine. This is a liver/gallbladder flush group. Liver cleansing is important for anyone, with or without the gb. Barry. > > From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@y...> > Subject: Re: the " stones " debate revisited > > > I believe in alternative medical approaches as well as general medical practices. I need both > and so does everyone. > > I don't and either does anyone else. You only " need " them because you think you do. > > > Why do all the alternative medical doctors believe that gallstones are caused by herediary > reasons? > > Because they are wacko? I don't know. Ask them. > > > Both medical sides (alternative and general) believe this to be true, why don't you? > > Thought I said this already. Because I believe in health, not medicine. > And that the corporate drug pushers are not only harmful and corrupt, but dangerous. > > I do believe you can learn some things from medical doctors. For example, I feel if you listen > very carefully to everything they say... then do the exact opposite... you'll be fine. But the > easiest way is just to stay away from them in the first place. > > Looking again at the theme of this list, it is removing gallstones without surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 > From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@...> > I will say it again in another way that may make sense to you. You can't do that unless you first make some sense. *S* > We all need both (alternative health methods and general medicine). You say you don't need general medicine. Alternative health METHODS, yes. But NO, we don't need general MEDICINE. Emphasis because you keep missing the point. Before you said we all need alternative health MEDICINE which was incorrect. No one needs medicine. You only think you need medicine and medical doctors because you don't believe in nature and you think drugs are the only solution. But they aren't a solution at all, they're the cause. > If you get hit by a car, you may need a doctor. If I have a broken bone then it would need to be set. I may or may not be able to do that myself. I did have 3 broken bones in my foot one time. The doctor told me they were going to put my foot in a cast. Didn't ASK me, TOLD me! That shows what jerks they are. When they left I hopped out on one foot, kept soaking my foot in cold water and ice, and a few days later went to a friend who was a running podiatrist. He said the cast would have been the worst thing for my foot, which I already knew. I wrapped my foot every morning, wore a wood shoe, and kept soaking my foot in cold water and ice 3 times a day. Four and a half weeks later I started walking and jogging one lap. The tenth week I was running 100 miles a week. If I'd LET them put my foot in a cast my foot would not have regained it's strength for a year! > If you have a heart attack, you may need a doctor, etc. That's a big IF. And why would I then NEED a doctor??? That's a false assumption. Since the life span of a medical doctor is less than 55 years, they would do much better coming to me. Why people go to an unhealthy profession to try to get well is incredulous, and the profession that is primarily responsible for prepetuating, if not causing, heart disease in the first place. Read " Left For Dead " , by Dick Quinn. He did everything and every procedure they recommended to him and they left him for dead. dddThe book is about the alternative methods he then discovered to regain his life. > Your next statement about alternative method doctors believing hereditary reasons as one of the many causes of gallstones. You call them 'wacko'? You misquoted me. This is why I said you first need to make sense. Here is what you asked and my answer: > > > " Why do all the alternative medical doctors believe that gallstones are caused by herediary reasons? " > > " Because they are wacko? I don't know. Ask them. " You asked why MEDICAL doctors are screwed up and I answered. Alternative METHODS and medical doctors are NOT the same thing. If you want to have valid conclusions, first your premises must be correct. People who use and believe in alternative METHODS know that you don't have to choose different parents to flush out a gallstone from your liver or to reduce the cholesterol from your arteries. I obviously use and believe in alternative METHODS because they work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 " Read " Left For Dead " , by Dick Quinn. He did everything and every procedure they recommended to him and they left him for dead..... " That's not a true statement. Quinn is a writer by profession and a good comedian as well. He came up with a catchy title. Read page 16 and you will find that he was offered a 2nd bypass, 6 months after the first one, which was the cardiologist's way of saying he screwed up on the first one. It was Quinn's decision not have one. No one left him for dead. It is a wonderful book and has tremendous information on herbs, and cayenne in particular. The Dr. Cristopher (with a real N. D.) that Quinn mentions in his book has a web site devoted to cayenne and its benefits at: http://www.healthfree.com/christopher/cayenne.htm Someone on this list posted that they had an ulcer. Cayenne has been described as one of the best medications available for ulcer. Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2002 Report Share Posted May 18, 2002 , Good for you. I believe in both. Good luck to both of us. :-) Be healthy. Barry. > > From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@y...> > > I will say it again in another way that may make sense to you. > > You can't do that unless you first make some sense. *S* > > > We all need both (alternative health methods and general medicine). You say you don't need general medicine. > > Alternative health METHODS, yes. But NO, we don't need general MEDICINE. Emphasis because you keep missing the point. Before you said we all need alternative health MEDICINE which was incorrect. No one needs medicine. You only think you need medicine and medical doctors because you don't believe in nature and you think drugs are the only solution. But they aren't a solution at all, they're the cause. > > > If you get hit by a car, you may need a doctor. > > If I have a broken bone then it would need to be set. I may or may not be able to do that myself. I did have 3 broken bones in my foot one time. The doctor told me they were going to put my foot in a cast. Didn't ASK me, TOLD me! That shows what jerks they are. When they left I hopped out on one foot, kept soaking my foot in cold water and ice, and a few days later went to a friend who was a running podiatrist. He said the cast would have been the worst thing for my foot, which I already knew. I wrapped my foot every morning, wore a wood shoe, and kept soaking my foot in cold water and ice 3 times a day. Four and a half weeks later I started walking and jogging one lap. The tenth week I was running 100 miles a week. If I'd LET them put my foot in a cast my foot would not have regained it's strength for a year! > > > If you have a heart attack, you may need a doctor, etc. > > That's a big IF. And why would I then NEED a doctor??? That's a false assumption. Since the life span of a medical doctor is less than 55 years, they would do much better coming to me. Why people go to an unhealthy profession to try to get well is incredulous, and the profession that is primarily responsible for prepetuating, if not causing, heart disease in the first place. > > Read " Left For Dead " , by Dick Quinn. He did everything and every procedure they recommended to him and they left him for dead. dddThe book is about the alternative methods he then discovered to regain his life. > > > Your next statement about alternative method doctors believing hereditary reasons as one of the many causes of gallstones. You call them 'wacko'? > > You misquoted me. This is why I said you first need to make sense. Here is what you asked and my answer: > > > > > " Why do all the alternative medical doctors believe that gallstones are caused by herediary reasons? " > > > > " Because they are wacko? I don't know. Ask them. " > > You asked why MEDICAL doctors are screwed up and I answered. Alternative METHODS and medical doctors are NOT the same thing. If you want to have valid conclusions, first your premises must be correct. > > People who use and believe in alternative METHODS know that you don't have to choose different parents to flush out a gallstone from your liver or to reduce the cholesterol from your arteries. > > I obviously use and believe in alternative METHODS because they work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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