Re: Re: melting point - Barry's post says it all

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Dale wrote:

<<.... I did find out about candida fungus balls that may be in the common

bile duct....>>

I have two different books that indicate that garlic is an effective

treatment for candida. Additionally, garlic works in the liver to remove

toxins from the body, and if candida balls are there, would expect it to work

on them too. Regarding the candida and garlic you can go to:

http://www.freelaunch.com/crohn/aug95/research.html

which says:

" 3. Garlic and garlic supplements: The use of garlic as an antifungal is a

proven and effective therapy against Candida having a similar effect as

Nystatin. The concentrated supplements are often rated as " more effective "

than Nystatin. However, the effect of the garlic is both antifungal and

antimicrobial [but is primarily antifungal] and the balance of intestinal

flora can be negatively impacted. One of the more effective supplements is

marketed under the trade name Kyolic . The primary value of aged garlic

supplements is that they are " odorless " and produce less gastric distress

than large doses of natural garlic. The Herxheimer effect is pronounced in

the use of garlic but the duration appears to be less than that experienced

by a regime of Nystatin. "

Note that it indicates that garlic DOES have a negative effect on intestinal

flora (a question that was asked a week or so ago.) - So, mine must be down

to zero!

One book I have indicates that a doseage of 3 or 4 raw cloves of garlic for 2

to 4 weeks is more effective in treating candida than anything else.

Also, from:

http://www.healthwell.com/delicious-online/D_backs/Nov_97/natheal.cfm

" * Garlic (Allium sativum) is easily taken in supplement form or eaten as a

food. Studies show it can inhibit candida by damaging the structure and

integrity of the yeast cell wall... "

Jay

[Guest guest]

Barry;

I've had some pretty pretentious letters before but I'm going to have to

give you a big thumbs up on this one. It would appear that you've assumed

too

much from what you've read regarding gallstones and my own letters, even to

the point that you are now the authority of the difference between

gallstones, and the new enlightenment to bile balls. Let's take your

paragraphs one at a time to see what we have here.

The first paragraph assumes that my eating almost anything means things with

fats and that I'm being limited in God's pleasure for man. But the point

here is things of which contain poison for my body, and everybody else for

that matter.

Chances are pretty good that we could sit at the same table and eat just

about everything there. However, since I have a gluten allergy I'm going to

be avoiding things that contain that, like certain breads and pastas. I

won't drink coffee either because of an allergy to that. Barry, the meaning

wasn't what you assumed. You assume that I'm going to have pain from eating

foods and that just isn't the case as time goes by and my liver has been

healing. As far as I know my gallbladder is doing just fine too since I've

not had any

pain there for years now.

(2) There certainly is a problem here as you have changed all medical

literature to mean something new but in my search for bile balls I did find

out about candida fungus balls that may be in the common bile duct. Now as

to their texture I'm at a loss. They may be hard, then they may be softer,

then too they may be just a mush of candida.

http://www.kfshrc.edu.sa/annals/151/93232.html

(3) I'm quite aware that there are hard stones and soft stones. The hard

stones are crushable and so are the soft stones. It's all a matter of

physics as to just how much pressure is going to be needed to do so. But, is

a bile ball a stone too or a flabby glob, like a glob of thick grease which

lacks any form of firmness? Is it mush as a mass?

(4) Aah ha!! Now we're getting somewhere. So, it is you who does define,

because flushers are ignorant people who don't know the difference. So,

you've put on the hat of pomp, and have proceeded in the robe, to show the

multitudes the error of their reasoning. And, all we have to do is to now

" think simple " to see all the options. This is just too simple to be true.

(5) This is now the definitive description of how this group is to perceive

the matter from their bodies of which were previously thought of as

gallstones. This is just too much to believe but I guess we're just going to

have to adapt to it as it has been written. Bile balls are bile that has

passed into the bowels and changed into non-stones. They are formed but not

hard. They crush but are not mush.

(6) Good question. I would wonder what an autopsy of the liver would have

shown however, thankfully that wasn't the case here. We have all along

pointed to the fact that there are liver stones of which are formed in the

liver, and it may

very well be quite possible that the gallbladder had been relieved of all

those stones of which were in it, and that the liver was now starting to

dump out what is in it. A

flush in the future may produce more or may produce less of these types of

stones. Time will tell, as you noted to us you are now enabled to eat

without the need of discretion, and this could produce the same types of

stones you've passed previously.

(7) I can't agreed to the different kinds of biles as you haven't described

just exactly what constitutes the different styles. I need more data on the

description of the different types of biles as I only know of one bile type

produced by the liver.

(8) Doesn't make a lot of sense since the bile is liquid and not in the

shape of a stone or mass. Where the packing together of cholesterol or bile

pigments can cause the formation of a mass.

You're really trying desperately to push out a thought that just doesn't

make even common sense.

(9) This doesn't make sense at all. How am I to relate to people to read

between the lines. I don't go for that and would much rather present facts

to people and not some conjugated interpretation based on " reading between

the lines " .

(10) Are you saying Systemotic is then a new word to use or is it simply a

misspelling or misuse of a word?

Last but not least number eleven;

Barry, perhaps you haven't really been listening to the writing of what I've

said time and time again and that is very simply that I haven't had a

gallbladder attack since October of 1999 and don't suffer with pain. This is

because I did what was needed to get my gallbladder and liver to a state

where even my doctor told me it was healthy. Now this statement from the

doctor is attested by my wife as she was present when he made that

statement. The thing with which I have to be careful is my liver because of

the damage it received from my dieting without taking in any essential fatty

acids, it will get to feeling a bit uncomfortable but it certainly isn't

pain in the sense of being painful.

Dale,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

(1) *******I'm sorry you have to eat 'almost' anything with impunity or

limited

notice to be have to be 'careful' of eating instead of having the God

given pleasure to eat whatever, whenever without worry if you so

choose. The freedom is liberating in more ways than one. But on the

same hand you are lucky to be able to keep your gallbladder even if

problems still arise for you. I had to remove mine to be healthy and

in the same way it has given me the freedom to not worry about

eating. I do watch my diet but it isn't a colic producing issue

anymore. The freedom to eat is great even without the gb believe it

or not.

(2)********Bile balls are not new at all. They may be new to you because you

have chosen to believe or understand only one way that you want to

find true. We all do that. Don't feel amazed or confused by the

terms. In fact you may never hear the term 'bile balls' in a flush

group that wants to believe everything eliminated in a flush is

a 'gallstone'. The world was discovered to be round too.

(3)***********It's simple Dale, just think for a minute and you will 'get

it'. Let

me say it in the terms you have accustomed yourself to believe or

understand ok? There are two forms of 'stones'. Soft stones and hard

stones. Do you get it now?

(4)***********I define these two forms of bile more difinitively than the

flusher

who wants to believe only in one option. I take it further in

advanced understanding of the reasons of the two types of bile, the

charactoristics, and even the forming of each. Simple thinking should

lead you to the same exploration if you have an open mind to see all

options of posibilities.

************Here are some differences in charactoristics of the two types.

(5)***********Gallstones are hard. Bile balls are soft throughout.

Gallstones cause colic. Bile balls usually don't.

Gallstones don't usually come out in a flush if they are bigger than

the cystic duct. Bile balls come out by the thousands even if they

are over 2 cm in size.

Bile balls are created by the method of the flush itself using the

bile within the liver and gb.

Bile balls come out even if you don't have gallstones in your system.

Bile balls are infact regular bile. Gallstones are a problem bile

form.

Gallstones are detected by ultrasound. Bile balls are not.

(6)******************After flushing thousands of bile balls in 3 months,

every two weeks.

Hundreds bi-weekly up to one week before surgery, there were no bile

balls found in my system or gb during surgery. Did my body suddenly

stop making these 'stones' all of the sudden or did I stop making my

bile form into soft balls by not flushing to create them?

(7)****************Some of these you may or may not yet believe and that

doesn't matter

now. Just know or agree that there are several forms of bile. Agreed?

And they are not all 'stones'. That last sentence will require more

indepth study on your part.

(8) ******************In the same way that I don't call bile within the

liver

'gallstones'

I also do not call soft round forms of bile 'gallstones' neither.

They are two different animals. If you can understand that action of

the body you will see clearly to understand the function or

charactoristics of each form of bile. Good luck.

(9)***********To get your mental picture straight you can find this

information

in

all of the flush sites testimonies. You have to read between the

lines to study the personal results of the flushers. Most do not

understand why they flush thousands of soft balls out but still have

the pain after eating. Easy for me to reach answers with indepth

study and understanding.

(10)************'Systemodic' or systematic just means that the gallstone has

reached

the level of producing colic symptoms. Maybe I spelled it wrong but I

was sure that you were smart enough to understand the logical meaning

of the word. Sorry I wasn't clear enough for your intellect there.

Living for several years in Mexico now I sometimes misspell words

while learing Spanish but I am thinking of writing a poem about my

stone some day. :-)

*************We did go over blobs, globs, and other things but not how they

differ

from the truly hard gallstones in relation to flushing success and

results. Pain is the motivator for study.

***********Dale, I hope this opens your eyes to why you still have pain.

Good luck and be healthy, happy, and painfree.

Barry.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Dale,

Thank you. Well said, and long overdue. Especially the " pretentious " part.

Debra

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Hi Dale,

That's an interesting tid bit about the candida fungal balls in the common

bile duct.

Do you think they can be flushed out? And do you think they would be missed

on a ultrasound?

, a candida sufferer

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dale " <Da_@...>

" Gallstones " <gallstones >

Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:14 AM

Subject: Re: Re: melting point - Barry's post says it all

> Barry;

>

> I've had some pretty pretentious letters before but I'm going to have to

> give you a big thumbs up on this one. It would appear that you've assumed

> too

> much from what you've read regarding gallstones and my own letters, even

to

> the point that you are now the authority of the difference between

> gallstones, and the new enlightenment to bile balls. Let's take your

> paragraphs one at a time to see what we have here.

>

> The first paragraph assumes that my eating almost anything means things

with

> fats and that I'm being limited in God's pleasure for man. But the point

> here is things of which contain poison for my body, and everybody else for

> that matter.

>

> Chances are pretty good that we could sit at the same table and eat just

> about everything there. However, since I have a gluten allergy I'm going

to

> be avoiding things that contain that, like certain breads and pastas. I

> won't drink coffee either because of an allergy to that. Barry, the

meaning

> wasn't what you assumed. You assume that I'm going to have pain from

eating

> foods and that just isn't the case as time goes by and my liver has been

> healing. As far as I know my gallbladder is doing just fine too since I've

> not had any

> pain there for years now.

>

> (2) There certainly is a problem here as you have changed all medical

> literature to mean something new but in my search for bile balls I did

find

> out about candida fungus balls that may be in the common bile duct. Now as

> to their texture I'm at a loss. They may be hard, then they may be softer,

> then too they may be just a mush of candida.

> http://www.kfshrc.edu.sa/annals/151/93232.html

>

> (3) I'm quite aware that there are hard stones and soft stones. The hard

> stones are crushable and so are the soft stones. It's all a matter of

> physics as to just how much pressure is going to be needed to do so. But,

is

> a bile ball a stone too or a flabby glob, like a glob of thick grease

which

> lacks any form of firmness? Is it mush as a mass?

>

> (4) Aah ha!! Now we're getting somewhere. So, it is you who does define,

> because flushers are ignorant people who don't know the difference. So,

> you've put on the hat of pomp, and have proceeded in the robe, to show the

> multitudes the error of their reasoning. And, all we have to do is to now

> " think simple " to see all the options. This is just too simple to be true.

>

> (5) This is now the definitive description of how this group is to

perceive

> the matter from their bodies of which were previously thought of as

> gallstones. This is just too much to believe but I guess we're just going

to

> have to adapt to it as it has been written. Bile balls are bile that has

> passed into the bowels and changed into non-stones. They are formed but

not

> hard. They crush but are not mush.

>

> (6) Good question. I would wonder what an autopsy of the liver would have

> shown however, thankfully that wasn't the case here. We have all along

> pointed to the fact that there are liver stones of which are formed in the

> liver, and it may

> very well be quite possible that the gallbladder had been relieved of all

> those stones of which were in it, and that the liver was now starting to

> dump out what is in it. A

> flush in the future may produce more or may produce less of these types of

> stones. Time will tell, as you noted to us you are now enabled to eat

> without the need of discretion, and this could produce the same types of

> stones you've passed previously.

>

> (7) I can't agreed to the different kinds of biles as you haven't

described

> just exactly what constitutes the different styles. I need more data on

the

> description of the different types of biles as I only know of one bile

type

> produced by the liver.

>

> (8) Doesn't make a lot of sense since the bile is liquid and not in the

> shape of a stone or mass. Where the packing together of cholesterol or

bile

> pigments can cause the formation of a mass.

>

> You're really trying desperately to push out a thought that just doesn't

> make even common sense.

>

> (9) This doesn't make sense at all. How am I to relate to people to read

> between the lines. I don't go for that and would much rather present facts

> to people and not some conjugated interpretation based on " reading between

> the lines " .

>

> (10) Are you saying Systemotic is then a new word to use or is it simply

a

> misspelling or misuse of a word?

>

> Last but not least number eleven;

>

> Barry, perhaps you haven't really been listening to the writing of what

I've

> said time and time again and that is very simply that I haven't had a

> gallbladder attack since October of 1999 and don't suffer with pain. This

is

> because I did what was needed to get my gallbladder and liver to a state

> where even my doctor told me it was healthy. Now this statement from the

> doctor is attested by my wife as she was present when he made that

> statement. The thing with which I have to be careful is my liver because

of

> the damage it received from my dieting without taking in any essential

fatty

> acids, it will get to feeling a bit uncomfortable but it certainly isn't

> pain in the sense of being painful.

>

> Dale,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> (1) *******I'm sorry you have to eat 'almost' anything with impunity or

> limited

> notice to be have to be 'careful' of eating instead of having the God

> given pleasure to eat whatever, whenever without worry if you so

> choose. The freedom is liberating in more ways than one. But on the

> same hand you are lucky to be able to keep your gallbladder even if

> problems still arise for you. I had to remove mine to be healthy and

> in the same way it has given me the freedom to not worry about

> eating. I do watch my diet but it isn't a colic producing issue

> anymore. The freedom to eat is great even without the gb believe it

> or not.

>

> (2)********Bile balls are not new at all. They may be new to you because

you

> have chosen to believe or understand only one way that you want to

> find true. We all do that. Don't feel amazed or confused by the

> terms. In fact you may never hear the term 'bile balls' in a flush

> group that wants to believe everything eliminated in a flush is

> a 'gallstone'. The world was discovered to be round too.

>

> (3)***********It's simple Dale, just think for a minute and you will 'get

> it'. Let

> me say it in the terms you have accustomed yourself to believe or

> understand ok? There are two forms of 'stones'. Soft stones and hard

> stones. Do you get it now?

>

> (4)***********I define these two forms of bile more difinitively than the

> flusher

> who wants to believe only in one option. I take it further in

> advanced understanding of the reasons of the two types of bile, the

> charactoristics, and even the forming of each. Simple thinking should

> lead you to the same exploration if you have an open mind to see all

> options of posibilities.

>

> ************Here are some differences in charactoristics of the two types.

>

> (5)***********Gallstones are hard. Bile balls are soft throughout.

> Gallstones cause colic. Bile balls usually don't.

> Gallstones don't usually come out in a flush if they are bigger than

> the cystic duct. Bile balls come out by the thousands even if they

> are over 2 cm in size.

> Bile balls are created by the method of the flush itself using the

> bile within the liver and gb.

> Bile balls come out even if you don't have gallstones in your system.

> Bile balls are infact regular bile. Gallstones are a problem bile

> form.

> Gallstones are detected by ultrasound. Bile balls are not.

>

> (6)******************After flushing thousands of bile balls in 3 months,

> every two weeks.

> Hundreds bi-weekly up to one week before surgery, there were no bile

> balls found in my system or gb during surgery. Did my body suddenly

> stop making these 'stones' all of the sudden or did I stop making my

> bile form into soft balls by not flushing to create them?

>

> (7)****************Some of these you may or may not yet believe and that

> doesn't matter

> now. Just know or agree that there are several forms of bile. Agreed?

> And they are not all 'stones'. That last sentence will require more

> indepth study on your part.

>

> (8) ******************In the same way that I don't call bile within the

> liver

> 'gallstones'

> I also do not call soft round forms of bile 'gallstones' neither.

> They are two different animals. If you can understand that action of

> the body you will see clearly to understand the function or

> charactoristics of each form of bile. Good luck.

>

> (9)***********To get your mental picture straight you can find this

> information

> in

> all of the flush sites testimonies. You have to read between the

> lines to study the personal results of the flushers. Most do not

> understand why they flush thousands of soft balls out but still have

> the pain after eating. Easy for me to reach answers with indepth

> study and understanding.

>

> (10)************'Systemodic' or systematic just means that the gallstone

has

> reached

> the level of producing colic symptoms. Maybe I spelled it wrong but I

> was sure that you were smart enough to understand the logical meaning

> of the word. Sorry I wasn't clear enough for your intellect there.

> Living for several years in Mexico now I sometimes misspell words

> while learing Spanish but I am thinking of writing a poem about my

> stone some day. :-)

>

> *************We did go over blobs, globs, and other things but not how

they

> differ

> from the truly hard gallstones in relation to flushing success and

> results. Pain is the motivator for study.

>

> ***********Dale, I hope this opens your eyes to why you still have pain.

> Good luck and be healthy, happy, and painfree.

>

> Barry.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

>

>

>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hi Dale,

That's an interesting tid bit about the candida fungal balls in the common

bile duct.

Do you think they can be flushed out? And do you think they would be missed

on a ultrasound?

, a candida sufferer

[Guest guest]

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Hi Dale,

That's an interesting tid bit about the candida fungal balls in the common

bile duct.

Do you think they can be flushed out? And do you think they would be missed

on a ultrasound?

, a candida sufferer

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I would say that most definately they would be missed since they are a soft

tissue type of matter of which as nothing solid like calcium to imped the

xrays. They may show with an MRI but that would likely be quite fuzzy too

and my require an expert seeking just such a type of matter as being there.

I don't see why the wouldn't be flushed out unless they are attached to the

lining of the duct, which is just quite a possibliity. This is a condition

that would certainly call for starving the creature to obivion, or just

oxidizing it.

Dale

[Guest guest]

Boy, can you tell I worked 12 hours today or what. Sorry for not checking my

spelling better but I'm just trying to get to the bed as fast as possible.

Dale

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dale " <Da_@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:04 PM

Subject: Re: Re: melting point - Barry's post says it all

> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

> Hi Dale,

> That's an interesting tid bit about the candida fungal balls in the common

> bile duct.

>

> Do you think they can be flushed out? And do you think they would be

missed

> on a ultrasound?

>

> , a candida sufferer

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> I would say that most definately they would be missed since they are a

soft

> tissue type of matter of which as nothing solid like calcium to imped the

> xrays. They may show with an MRI but that would likely be quite fuzzy too

> and my require an expert seeking just such a type of matter as being

there.

>

> I don't see why the wouldn't be flushed out unless they are attached to

the

> lining of the duct, which is just quite a possibliity. This is a condition

> that would certainly call for starving the creature to obivion, or just

> oxidizing it.

>

> Dale

>

>

>

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Hi Dale,

What do you mean by oxidizing it ?

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dale " <Da_@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 2:04 AM

Subject: Re: Re: melting point - Barry's post says it all

> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

> Hi Dale,

> That's an interesting tid bit about the candida fungal balls in the common

> bile duct.

>

> Do you think they can be flushed out? And do you think they would be

missed

> on a ultrasound?

>

> , a candida sufferer

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> I would say that most definately they would be missed since they are a

soft

> tissue type of matter of which as nothing solid like calcium to imped the

> xrays. They may show with an MRI but that would likely be quite fuzzy too

> and my require an expert seeking just such a type of matter as being

there.

>

> I don't see why the wouldn't be flushed out unless they are attached to

the

> lining of the duct, which is just quite a possibliity. This is a condition

> that would certainly call for starving the creature to obivion, or just

> oxidizing it.

>

> Dale

>

>

>

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> flush stories: http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials

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[Guest guest]

I mean by using an oxidizer such as can be had by the use of ozone by means

of insufflation.

Dale

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> Hi Dale,

> What do you mean by oxidizing it ?

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