Re: end to pain, suffering, and flushing???

[Guest guest]

nortons@... writes:

> For those of you who have done 10+ flushes or anyone who can answer

> my question. Has anyone arrived at the point where they no longer

> have gallbladder attacks?

I have done about a dozen, I think. I don't recall exactly when my last gb

attack was, but I do recall that it was very short (even by my standards)

and minor. My eating habits aren't restrictive, by any means. I think for

me the flushing did the trick.

I also think, though, that each body is different and what works one way for

one person, works an entirely different way for someone else.....

rachel~

[Guest guest]

Da_@... writes:

> Me

>

I've never seen such brevity from you before, Dale. :)

rachel

[Guest guest]

Dear Dawn,

Every 'body' is different. You may be one of those 'lucky' people who

flush once or twice and never have colic pain again in your lifetime.

You may also be one of those people who have flushed 133 times over 4

1/2 years and still have gallbladder pain. It may work after a few

flushes or you may be looking at a lifetime of flushing every two

weeks. You need to examine your own body to determine what is the

cause of your pain and then you can battle your problem with the

correct methods. There are logical reasons for both of those types of

results. The first person may have only had a few duct stones or

sludge to move out and the second person may have a huge stone that

won't pass out with flushing or any number of variations in

between.

Personally, I knew exactly what was causing my colic pain, I knew

when and why it would come, and I went from there. I flushed 8 times

over 2 months and was still having pain 2 to 3 mights a week that was

sending me to ER for antispasmodic shots. I monitored my flushing

results with ultrasound to see if my gallbladder was clear of stones.

I had 3 ultrasounds over 4 months because there were times I thought

I had finally gotten that 1 cm 'problem' stone out of my gallbladder

only to be brought back to reality and to continue to fight the

battle with flushings.

In time you will find out what is working for you or not working for

you. You will then want to vary the flushing methods or even opt for

another route altogether. Health and happiness with pain free living

is the goal.

You need to find out what it actually is that is causing your colic,

when it comes and why. Then you can determine the correct path to

pain free living and happiness again.

If you are determined to keep your gb then you need to keep dieting

properly, herbing and/or supplementing, etc and flushing. Lithotripsy

may also be another option for you if you are a candidate for that

procedure (Less than 4 cholesterol gallstones with none being over 1

cm in size). Surgery is the last option to study and consider when

you have exhausted all other options for health and happiness.

Good luck with your search for health and happiness.

Barry.

> For those of you who have done 10+ flushes or anyone who can answer

> my question. Has anyone arrived at the point where they no longer

> have gallbladder attacks? Is there anyone just doing 2-4 flushes a

> year? If not, then what is the point of flushing every two weeks

and

> making all the changes? I know the flushing helps the liver too, so

> my question is kind of rhetorical and I am planning on continuing

> every two weeks until I hit six months. Until then, I am now a

> vegetarian which seems scary to me. I had three attacks in three

days

> last weekend! I am starting cleanses of all the major systems on

Mon,

> intestinal, liver/gallbladder, kidney/bladder, blood, parasite. I

am

> determined to keep my gallbladder, but I do not want to live this

way

> forever either. Anyone with an answer? Dawn

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Me

----- Original Message -----

From: " azdmarie " <nortons@...>

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Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:36 PM

Subject: end to pain, suffering, and flushing???

> For those of you who have done 10+ flushes or anyone who can answer

> my question. Has anyone arrived at the point where they no longer

> have gallbladder attacks? Is there anyone just doing 2-4 flushes a

> year? If not, then what is the point of flushing every two weeks and

> making all the changes? I know the flushing helps the liver too, so

> my question is kind of rhetorical and I am planning on continuing

> every two weeks until I hit six months. Until then, I am now a

> vegetarian which seems scary to me. I had three attacks in three days

> last weekend! I am starting cleanses of all the major systems on Mon,

> intestinal, liver/gallbladder, kidney/bladder, blood, parasite. I am

> determined to keep my gallbladder, but I do not want to live this way

> forever either. Anyone with an answer? Dawn

>

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[Guest guest]

I am hoping to have another ultrasound in a couple of months when we

have a little more money. But, if the stones are up in the liver, how

will they show up? Dawn

>

> You need to find out what it actually is that is causing your

colic,

> when it comes and why. Then you can determine the correct path to

> pain free living and happiness again.

>

> If you are determined to keep your gb then you need to keep dieting

> properly, herbing and/or supplementing, etc and flushing.

Lithotripsy

> may also be another option for you if you are a candidate for that

> procedure (Less than 4 cholesterol gallstones with none being over

1

> cm in size). Surgery is the last option to study and consider when

> you have exhausted all other options for health and happiness.

>

> Good luck with your search for health and happiness.

>

> Barry.

>

>

>

>

>

> > For those of you who have done 10+ flushes or anyone who can

answer

> > my question. Has anyone arrived at the point where they no longer

> > have gallbladder attacks? Is there anyone just doing 2-4 flushes

a

> > year? If not, then what is the point of flushing every two weeks

> and

> > making all the changes? I know the flushing helps the liver too,

so

> > my question is kind of rhetorical and I am planning on continuing

> > every two weeks until I hit six months. Until then, I am now a

> > vegetarian which seems scary to me. I had three attacks in three

> days

> > last weekend! I am starting cleanses of all the major systems on

> Mon,

> > intestinal, liver/gallbladder, kidney/bladder, blood, parasite. I

> am

> > determined to keep my gallbladder, but I do not want to live this

> way

> > forever either. Anyone with an answer? Dawn

[Guest guest]

Dale, It would be very comforting if you could elaborate a little

bit. Dawn

> Me

>

>

>

> > For those of you who have done 10+ flushes or anyone who can

answer

> > my question. Has anyone arrived at the point where they no longer

> > have gallbladder attacks? Is there anyone just doing 2-4 flushes a

> > year? If not, then what is the point of flushing every two weeks

and

> > making all the changes? I know the flushing helps the liver too,

so

> > my question is kind of rhetorical and I am planning on continuing

> > every two weeks until I hit six months. Until then, I am now a

> > vegetarian which seems scary to me. I had three attacks in three

days

> > last weekend! I am starting cleanses of all the major systems on

Mon,

> > intestinal, liver/gallbladder, kidney/bladder, blood, parasite. I

am

> > determined to keep my gallbladder, but I do not want to live this

way

> > forever either. Anyone with an answer? Dawn

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I believe this too, I just want to know there are people who have

achieved the " Nirvana " of gb/liver cleansing. To me, that is NO MORE

PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dawn

>

> I also think, though, that each body is different and what works

one way for

> one person, works an entirely different way for someone else.....

>

> rachel~

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i've had ultrasound and mri done on my liver. none showed any stones. meanwhile

i passed about 800 over the past three weeks.

[Guest guest]

Hi ARthur,

I , too, have chronic fatigue, have had it 3 years now.

I take really good care of myself (most of the time), eat well, do liver

flushes, take supps etc. and I am still fatigued too.

In my case, I think I have an infection in my sinus that my immune system cannot

get too and will require surgery.

You mentioned mercury, have you had your fillings out and root canals out and

cavitations cleaned?

gallstones] Re: end to pain, suffering, and flushing???

>

> i've had ultrasound and mri done on my liver. none showed any stones.

meanwhile i passed about 800 over the past three weeks.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 17:19 10.05.2002 +0000, you wrote:

>But, if the stones are up in the liver, how

>will they show up? Dawn

Stones that are up in the liver usually NEVER show up.

That is why no doctor knows about those stones ...

Doctors knows only about problems that they can diagnose ...

We just assume that stones are there, because we can see them out.

Like with parasites. Most people think that they are free of parasites

because they have never seen them.

If stones cause Fatty or Enlarged or Swollen Liver, or high liver enzymes,

that can be diagnosed, if it is very bad ...

The only way to diagnose liver stones is liver flush. (also liver surgery,

Liver transplant and autopsy can diagnose liver stones)

Agnes

[Guest guest]

i had my fillings out years ago. never had root canals. other sources of mercury

are vaccinations and the thermometer that broke in my mouth as a child. from

what i understand, dental mercury pales in comparison to the mercury in

vaccinations. i have tried andy cutlers chelation protocol, and definitely

noticed something going on, so i am inclined to believe that mercury is a part

of a my problem. getting it out is another story. the other thing that seems to

do something is a small amount of squash juice mixed with other vegetable juice.

hopefully the liver flushes will enable the liver to work better and be more

efficient at removing metals. the best thing i have found so far is this flush,

andy cutlers chelation. ozone saunas, and rvaf diet. i took supplements for

years under the guidance of a fancy kinesiology guy and it made me worse

overall, even though i was brainwashed into believing that it was working. raw

foods helped me reverse all the damage i did with the supplements.

raw meats and veggies give me alot of strength but i am looking for a way to eat

normally. in a pinch i can get some energy if i need it by eating this way.

[Guest guest]

Dear Dawn,

Liver stones are very rare. Gallstones are the main problems for

colic pain. Liver stones will not usually show up on ultrasound but

gallstones that are cholesterol or calcium based will show up in the

gallbladder. The main thing you are concerned with is how to stop the

pain. The pain you are having is from your gallbladder and not your

liver.

This is how it works. Bile is produced in the liver and travels down

to the gallbladder. If the bile is lacking in an ingredient or has

too much of an ingredient, or the gallbladder is sluggish, the bile

will stagnate in the gallbladder and stones will be made. Stones are

usually formed within the gallbadder because of the concentration of

that bile when the gallbladder removes water from the bile.

Some people believe that small stones are formed in the liver and

then drop down into the galbladder. I believe most of the gallstones

are formed in the gallbladder and not the liver. It does happen that

the liver does produce stones but it is more rare.

If those stones get too big to pass out, the gallbladder is too

sluggish to push them out, or the stones get stuck in the cystic or

common duct, pain will result.

So, if you are trying to figure out how to get pain-free, look into

the gallbladder for gallstones, diet better for the liver and bile,

and flush to cleanse the liver and gallbladder.

Ultrasound will tell you the condition of your gallbladder and if any

gallstones are sitting inside it.

Good luck with you search for health and happiness.

Barry.

> > > For those of you who have done 10+ flushes or anyone who can

> answer

> > > my question. Has anyone arrived at the point where they no

longer

> > > have gallbladder attacks? Is there anyone just doing 2-4

flushes

> a

> > > year? If not, then what is the point of flushing every two

weeks

> > and

> > > making all the changes? I know the flushing helps the liver

too,

> so

> > > my question is kind of rhetorical and I am planning on

continuing

> > > every two weeks until I hit six months. Until then, I am now a

> > > vegetarian which seems scary to me. I had three attacks in

three

> > days

> > > last weekend! I am starting cleanses of all the major systems

on

> > Mon,

> > > intestinal, liver/gallbladder, kidney/bladder, blood, parasite.

I

> > am

> > > determined to keep my gallbladder, but I do not want to live

this

> > way

> > > forever either. Anyone with an answer? Dawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn;

To elaborate a little bit more on the subject of no more pain after having

flushed for awhile I'll try to explain so that it is repeated one more time

for the whole group.

Before my first gallbladder attack, that is the one that sent me to the

hospital, I had other more minor attacks. These were just preempting what

was to come, they were painful but nothing like the times I went to the

hospital. I had my first hospital visit on February 16th, very early in the

morning around 03:00. They did an x-ray of my body in the adominal area but

found nothing. Three days later I had another attack and this time they did

an MRI and found my gallbladder to be thickened and to have " A " stone, as

they called it. My follow up with the doctor got me a request to call a

particular sugeon within the next two weeks and schedule an appointment to

have my gallbladder removed. I never called. My doctor did however provide

me a prescription for pain medication to deal with any further attacks even

after I had started doing the flushes.

I ended up going the he hospital two more times over the next seven months.

The third trip happened because I had fallen off the wagon, so to speak,

because I was getting away with eating pretty freely whatever I wanted again

thinking I'd gotten rid of my stones completely but I had only done one

flush so far. The third trip was on March 22nd of that year. From then on I

was being much better about what I ate and when I ate. I would still have

attacks and was surprised at some of the attacks because I'd eaten good

foods that were not hydrogenated or of saturated animal fats. However, they

did contain foods that stimulated the liver and gallbladder and that was

what caused me attacks that would have me taking up to four roxicets to get

rid of the pain. I always said if I had to have more I needed to go to the

hospital for that type of pain management.

The last trip to the hospital was on October 27th of '99', and the problem

wasn't because of having " A " or any stones. I was having liver damage with

Hepatitis showing its ugly head. I was, according to an extensive

ultrasound, stone free and my liver and gallbladder looked prefectly healthy

otherwise, except for the enlarged bile ducts and the report noting AST,

ALK, ALT and bilirubin to be off the chart along with Hep C and B showing in

the mix. It didn't show the C and B as now active just that it was there

previously.

Well, this prompted me to start studing a bit deeper into my new liver

problem. That was how I came to be aware of the Liver Doctor Dr,

Cabot and her book " The Liver Cleansing Diet " . I read her book and it all

came to light what I had done wrong in attempting to rid myself of the

gallstones. The worst thing I had done was to resolve not to eat any fat

products, what so ever. I literally avoided all foods with any sort of fat.

The problem with avoiding all fats is that the liver needs fat. It needs the

fat to produce the cholesterol that is necessary for the liver and body's

cellular structure. Talk about feeling like a fool for not taking more time

to do more in depth research regarding gallbladder cleansing. I went right

out and got all kinds of fats to eat. I mean to tell you I got avacados,

flax seed oil, hemp oil, primerose oil. I started eating primrose oil while

driving my truck. I would get urges to have gulps of flax seed oil or hemp

oil. My body was craving it for months. I don't get those cravings now but I

still keep taking in fats as best as possible and avoid, like poison,

hydrogenated oils and satruated animal fats. Don't get me too wrong here, I

have, on occation now, eaten some mighty fine prime rib but I have also

avoided eating the juicy fat that comes with it like I use to do. I use to

have to avoid eating things containing cole slaw and pecans too because of

how strong a stimulant they are for the liver and gallbladder, but now I can

eat these without any problem.

Some of the protocal that I used are these;

The standard oil and fruit juice flush using freash squeezed grapefruit

juice and the most virgin of olive oils I could buy. I would often premempt

my flushes by fasting for twendy four to fourty eight hours or more and

drink only fresh sqeezed apple juice for that time period with some other

fresh sqeezed juice like my special drink of a twenty four ounce carot juice

drink containing 1/4 of a beet, two celery sticks, one ounce of parsley, and

one half of a whole lemon. (must keep it stired to enjoy the lemon at all

levels, - now my mouths watering)

I also would do castor oil packs and have colonics, which would also have

ozone insuflated with it after around an hour of being connected. The ozone

would be added for approximately one half, to an hour, or the saturation

point. (saturation can be noted by an almost burning sensation in the

throat, or the skin getting pretty pink, especially the palms) Usually there

will be more liver dumps happening after the ozone is turned off and you

start working towards clearing out the bowels to be disconnected.

I also used colloidal silver and the zapper, but make my own colloidal

silver.

So, Dawn, I hope this was the information of which you wanted. And I hope

you see there are more ways in which to approch keeping your gallbladder

inside you, and not thrown into a trash can. It does however take resolve,

lots of it.

Dale

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Dale. I've been thinking of purchasing that book, but I will

for sure now and as I have suspected, I am pretty sure that my damage

came from some extremely low fat eating on more than one occasion.

The only other typical that I fit that I know of is many pregnancies.

I am thin, tall, under 40, and eat a pretty healthy diet. I do

include avacados, nuts, and I had a piece of Salmon the other day

after two weeks of no animal products. It was divine. I am also

replacing my light olive oil with extra virgin. Thanks for all the

info. Dawn (who has renewed hope)

> Dawn;

>

> To elaborate a little bit more on the subject of no more pain after

having

> flushed for awhile I'll try to explain so that it is repeated one

more time

> for the whole group.

>