Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Has anyone here with this much experience stopped having gb attacks? I have finished #six this weekend in what turned out to be 3 severe attacks in 3 days (hadn't ahd one in a month and thought that I was through). I have passed a total of @900 stones. I am very disheartened but am doing Dr. s 3 day cleanse with apple juice starting today. And will be a vefetarian until further notice. I am hoping not longer than six months, but maybe by then I'll be used to it. Dawn Dawn, I haven't had a GB attack since last July, and it wasn't a bad one. I have done a cleanse since Feb. 25, 2002, but I do need to do one. I think what's helped me is two things besides just diet: Number one, Beta-TCP, which is a natural product and a bile thinner. Number two, taking magnesium every day has greatly helped. If I ever feel one little bit of pain, I tape a magnesium cap. I get Soloray products. But all in all besides diet, that Beta-TCP is absolutely wonderful. The only thing is, is that before you take it, you must be 100 percent sure that you have gallstones, and that you also have normal colored BMs. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Jay and anyone else. Has anyone here with this much experience stopped having gb attacks? I have finished #six this weekend in what turned out to be 3 severe attacks in 3 days (hadn't ahd one in a month and thought that I was through). I have passed a total of @900 stones. I am very disheartened but am doing Dr. s 3 day cleanse with apple juice starting today. And will be a vefetarian until further notice. I am hoping not longer than six months, but maybe by then I'll be used to it. Dawn > > Has anyone else ever excreted " globs " or " gooey " stuff after a flush? > > Thanks, > > Jay > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 What does the magnesium do? Or what has it done for you when you had pain? Hello, I can only tell you what it's done for me, okay? My last GB attack was when my hubby and I had a mini-vacation. I drank some Tropicana orange juice, and within about 15 minutes, I started having an attack. Well, I happened to bring a little bit of ES on the spur of the moment. After I started having a minor attack, although it was still hurting, I drank some ES. About 20 minutes later my attack stopped, and I was 100 percent fine. Now, I buy Solaray Magnesium, and there are different kinds. I take at least 3 caps every day, sometimes a bit more. But magnesium is one thing people in the US (and probably more countries) are hurting for. Magnesium, whatever kind, relaxes the biles ducts, plus it just helps you in many things. Please read this place that Dale sent me on magnesium. http://www.execpc.com/~magnesum/rod16.html Take care, Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Thanks for that reminder. I was taking Beta-TCP and ran out and forgot until just now. What does the magnesium do? Or what has it done for you when you had pain? And Barry, if you are reading, did you have the arthroscopic? surgery? Also can anyone describe to me if there is a difference between the regular pain of an attack and what you would feel or experience if a stone lodged and you needed emergency surgery? WOuld the pain be worse? WOuld there be nausea and vomiting. Would you pass out? The only symptoms I have had are immense pain with the bad ones, radiating to the back. The minor ones have been like a stomach ache. I have had no nausea, no vomiting, no digestive upset. Thanks, Dawn > > > Dawn, I haven't had a GB attack since last July, and it wasn't a bad one. I > have done a cleanse since Feb. 25, 2002, but I do need to do one. > > I think what's helped me is two things besides just diet: Number one, > Beta-TCP, which is a natural product and a bile thinner. Number two, taking > magnesium every day has greatly helped. If I ever feel one little bit of > pain, I tape a magnesium cap. I get Soloray products. But all in all > besides diet, that Beta-TCP is absolutely wonderful. The only thing is, is > that before you take it, you must be 100 percent sure that you have > gallstones, and that you also have normal colored BMs. > Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Dawn, Yes, I had the same kind of experience. I did 8 flushes and got over 2,000 of those soft 'stones' out. At times, during the 4 months of flushing every two weeks (Dr. method) I had several days and even a few weeks without colic pain. I felt that I had gotten out the ultrasound, hard, gallstone in my gallbladder. The oil 'coating' my system for several days after a cleansing was a false disception to my real problem. Luckily I have 'cheap' ultrasound ($30) in my area and could monitor my progress. I had 3 ultrasounds during the time I was flushing. I still had the hard, 1 cm gallstone in my gallbladder and this (checking with ultrasound) helped me to realize I still had work to do even though I had many days of colic free results. My advice would be to know what is going on inside so that you can battle the problem correctly. Can you get another ultrasound to check your gb and ducts? This is expensive for a lot of people and they cannot easily ceck their internal progress. Good luck. Barry. > Jay and anyone else. Has anyone here with this much experience > stopped having gb attacks? I have finished #six this weekend in what > turned out to be 3 severe attacks in 3 days (hadn't ahd one in a > month and thought that I was through). I have passed a total of @900 > stones. I am very disheartened but am doing Dr. s 3 day > cleanse with apple juice starting today. And will be a vefetarian > until further notice. I am hoping not longer than six months, but > maybe by then I'll be used to it. Dawn > > > > Has anyone else ever excreted " globs " or " gooey " stuff after a > flush? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jay > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Dawn, What you are describing sounds more like a gallstone in the gb instead of a stone lodged in the cystic ir common duct. If you have a stone lodged in a duct you would probably have jaudice, vomiting, fever, etc. I'm not sure in your case but if the pain comes and goes it is usually a gallstone. A stone in a duct would be a continual constant type of pain that doesn't seem to subside. Ultrasound could verify for sure. Arthroscopic? Never heard of it. Do you mean Laproscopic? I had the 'open' surgery with a 6 cm cut. Very small, hairline scar with only one long-ways stitch. Excellent work. Laproscopic is preferred because it is smaller scars (3 1/4 inch cuts vs. a 2 inch cut) and the recovery time is only two days instead of ten days. Barry. > Thanks for that reminder. I was taking Beta-TCP and ran out and > forgot until just now. What does the magnesium do? Or what has it > done for you when you had pain? And Barry, if you are reading, did > you have the arthroscopic? surgery? Also can anyone describe to me if > there is a difference between the regular pain of an attack and what > you would feel or experience if a stone lodged and you needed > emergency surgery? WOuld the pain be worse? WOuld there be nausea and > vomiting. Would you pass out? The only symptoms I have had are > immense pain with the bad ones, radiating to the back. The minor ones > have been like a stomach ache. I have had no nausea, no vomiting, no > digestive upset. Thanks, Dawn > > > > > > Dawn, I haven't had a GB attack since last July, and it wasn't a > bad one. I > > have done a cleanse since Feb. 25, 2002, but I do need to do one. > > > > I think what's helped me is two things besides just diet: Number > one, > > Beta-TCP, which is a natural product and a bile thinner. Number > two, taking > > magnesium every day has greatly helped. If I ever feel one little > bit of > > pain, I tape a magnesium cap. I get Soloray products. But all in > all > > besides diet, that Beta-TCP is absolutely wonderful. The only > thing is, is > > that before you take it, you must be 100 percent sure that you have > > gallstones, and that you also have normal colored BMs. > > Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Hi Barry, Actually, a stone in the common bile duct could cause intermittant pain, associated with eating fat. As the body tries to pass bile through a duct with a stone stuck in it, there would be pain for as long as it took for the bile to slowly pass around the stuck stone-the stone(s) may not always create a complete blockage in the duct, I'm guessing....at least I found this to be true in my case. The pain could last for up to four hours. I never had jaundice or a fever, but I did get relief from vomiting...and this all after my GB surgery! Adrienne barry91162 <barry91162@...> wrote: Dawn, What you are describing sounds more like a gallstone in the gb instead of a stone lodged in the cystic ir common duct. If you have a stone lodged in a duct you would probably have jaudice, vomiting, fever, etc. I'm not sure in your case but if the pain comes and goes it is usually a gallstone. A stone in a duct would be a continual constant type of pain that doesn't seem to subside. Ultrasound could verify for sure. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Yes I meant laparoscopic. I am just thinking if I end up having to go under the knife, that I want to have the open surgery. I do not want any stones or bile dropping into me and making me sicker and having to go back for more fixing. Dawn > > Arthroscopic? Never heard of it. Do you mean Laproscopic? I had > the 'open' surgery with a 6 cm cut. Very small, hairline scar with > only one long-ways stitch. Excellent work. Laproscopic is preferred > because it is smaller scars (3 1/4 inch cuts vs. a 2 inch cut) and > the recovery time is only two days instead of ten days. > > Barry. > > > > > > > Thanks for that reminder. I was taking Beta-TCP and ran out and > > forgot until just now. What does the magnesium do? Or what has it > > done for you when you had pain? And Barry, if you are reading, did > > you have the arthroscopic? surgery? Also can anyone describe to me > if > > there is a difference between the regular pain of an attack and > what > > you would feel or experience if a stone lodged and you needed > > emergency surgery? WOuld the pain be worse? WOuld there be nausea > and > > vomiting. Would you pass out? The only symptoms I have had are > > immense pain with the bad ones, radiating to the back. The minor > ones > > have been like a stomach ache. I have had no nausea, no vomiting, > no > > digestive upset. Thanks, Dawn > > > > > > > > > Dawn, I haven't had a GB attack since last July, and it wasn't a > > bad one. I > > > have done a cleanse since Feb. 25, 2002, but I do need to do one. > > > > > > I think what's helped me is two things besides just diet: Number > > one, > > > Beta-TCP, which is a natural product and a bile thinner. Number > > two, taking > > > magnesium every day has greatly helped. If I ever feel one > little > > bit of > > > pain, I tape a magnesium cap. I get Soloray products. But all > in > > all > > > besides diet, that Beta-TCP is absolutely wonderful. The only > > thing is, is > > > that before you take it, you must be 100 percent sure that you > have > > > gallstones, and that you also have normal colored BMs. > > > Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 4 hours sounds heavenly! Mine typically last 6-8or 10 hours was the longest! I just hit the demerol now. I don't know what I'll do when I run out. Dawn The pain could last for up to four hours. I never had jaundice or a fever, but I did get relief from vomiting...and this all after my GB surgery! > Adrienne > barry91162 <barry91162@y...> wrote: Dawn, > > What you are describing sounds more like a gallstone in the gb > instead of a stone lodged in the cystic ir common duct. If you have a > stone lodged in a duct you would probably have jaudice, vomiting, > fever, etc. I'm not sure in your case but if the pain comes and goes > it is usually a gallstone. A stone in a duct would be a continual > constant type of pain that doesn't seem to subside. Ultrasound could > verify for sure. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Yes Adrienne, You are completely correct. A stone can be stuck in the cystic or common duct like an image of a square block stuck in a round hole. The bile will still trickle past slowly. I really think that the majority of colic pain that comes and goes is from those bigger stones in the gb blocking the mouth and then dropping back down into the gb. An ultrasound can detect if a stone is in the duct and/or the gb. Do you know that post-surgery there is only around a 1% chance of getting a stone stuck in the duct? And this is usually because the stone was left in there from before the surgery. You are definitely in the minority there. Lucky you, huh? I hope you are not having any more pain. Hard, colic stones are usually formed within the gb vs. the liver. Good luck with your search for better health and happiness. Barry. Dawn, > > What you are describing sounds more like a gallstone in the gb > instead of a stone lodged in the cystic ir common duct. If you have a > stone lodged in a duct you would probably have jaudice, vomiting, > fever, etc. I'm not sure in your case but if the pain comes and goes > it is usually a gallstone. A stone in a duct would be a continual > constant type of pain that doesn't seem to subside. Ultrasound could > verify for sure. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Dawn, If I had the choice I would've had the laproscopic. The recovery time is only a couple of days vs. ten to twenty one days. The hospital stay is 2-3 days for open surgery and only 1 day for laproscopic. The cut is the main thing. Open surgery can leave a scar that is 2 to 3 inches across depending on your weight and doctor. Laproscopic leaves 3 very little 1/4 scars. The worry about stones dropping into the abdominal cavity is very rare. They clamp the gb duct off, lead it to the opening, and pull it through. It the gb is too big because it is full of stones, they will squeeze the stones out with the opening of the gb tube sticking out of the hole, and then pull the 'deflated' gb through the hole. Whatever you chose is up to you. I had to have open because lapro wasn't available where I live at this time. My cut is only 2 inches because I am thin and the doctor was great. I stayed 2 days in the hospital and went to work after 8 days. Again, whatever you decide it is always good to keep your gb if you can. Try anything you can first. Exhaust all your options. Keep flushing and maybe that 'problem stone' will come out. Lithotripsy is another option but I also didn't have that available to me. If you do decide surgery, it really is no big thing as far as the surgery part is concerned. They put you to sleep anyway. :-) The recovery time is easy but a little discomforting for probably a month after surgery. You can live without the gb and eat everything you want without problems but it is always better to stay on an improved diet that you have started while flushing. Problems post-surgery, diarrhea, etc, are only in maybe 5% of the cases of post-surgery and they can be corrected or reversed over a short period of time. Thank God I am in the 95% without problems so far. Good luck with your choices, health, and happiness. Barry. > > > Thanks for that reminder. I was taking Beta-TCP and ran out and > > > forgot until just now. What does the magnesium do? Or what has it > > > done for you when you had pain? And Barry, if you are reading, > did > > > you have the arthroscopic? surgery? Also can anyone describe to > me > > if > > > there is a difference between the regular pain of an attack and > > what > > > you would feel or experience if a stone lodged and you needed > > > emergency surgery? WOuld the pain be worse? WOuld there be nausea > > and > > > vomiting. Would you pass out? The only symptoms I have had are > > > immense pain with the bad ones, radiating to the back. The minor > > ones > > > have been like a stomach ache. I have had no nausea, no vomiting, > > no > > > digestive upset. Thanks, Dawn > > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn, I haven't had a GB attack since last July, and it wasn't > a > > > bad one. I > > > > have done a cleanse since Feb. 25, 2002, but I do need to do > one. > > > > > > > > I think what's helped me is two things besides just diet: > Number > > > one, > > > > Beta-TCP, which is a natural product and a bile thinner. > Number > > > two, taking > > > > magnesium every day has greatly helped. If I ever feel one > > little > > > bit of > > > > pain, I tape a magnesium cap. I get Soloray products. But all > > in > > > all > > > > besides diet, that Beta-TCP is absolutely wonderful. The only > > > thing is, is > > > > that before you take it, you must be 100 percent sure that you > > have > > > > gallstones, and that you also have normal colored BMs. > > > > Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 My colic pain used to last 2 to 4 hours and usually always in the middle of the night. Epsom relieved it sometimes but the one time I drank half cup of oil I ended up in the ER getting another shot of antispasmodic medication. The pain killer Demerol may have worked but the best way to stop the colic for me was to either take antispasmodic pills or go into ER to get a shot. The antispasmodic would stop the gb from contracting and allow the problem stone to drop back down out of the opening of my gb. Instant relief and sleep. :-) Barry. Dawn, > > > > What you are describing sounds more like a gallstone in the gb > > instead of a stone lodged in the cystic ir common duct. If you have > a > > stone lodged in a duct you would probably have jaudice, vomiting, > > fever, etc. I'm not sure in your case but if the pain comes and > goes > > it is usually a gallstone. A stone in a duct would be a continual > > constant type of pain that doesn't seem to subside. Ultrasound > could > > verify for sure. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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