Re: amalgams~ my experiences

[Guest guest]

" ....the path mercury takes naturally in being eliminated from the body is by

being bound to bile and then out through the bowel. a plugged liver will

prevent the excretion..... "

You may find it interesting to note that Bragg began total (water) fasts

for a week at a time early in his life. He did this once a year. During his

second fast he had a sudden urge to defecate and excreted about a tablespoon

of pure mercury! He attributed this to a then (100 years ago) popular

over-the-counter remedy that was administered to him orally as a child.

Mercury poisoning is not new. 100+ and more years ago it was used by all

sorts of medical practitioners as a cure for almost everything.

Jay

[Guest guest]

For some reason the text on my previous posts are " bunching up, " even though I

had used proper space beween paragraphs. Hopefully, it won't do it this

time...but my apologies if it continues to happen. I have being passively

reading the discussion about amalgams fillings and didn't really think too much

about it beyond that since I have very few fillings myself....but yesterday

morning I suddenly had a realization hit me. When I was 11, amalgamate

fillings were put in some cracks in a couple of my teeth to " prevent " cavities

from developing. Shortly after that I began experiencing some mysterious pain

in my solar plexus region and was besot with constant sinus and throat

infections. My mother took me several times, over the course of a few months,

to the doctor to find out what was causing these symptoms. Allergy tests, diet

reforms, blood work, stool tests, physical exanimation and a upper GI were all

done to find the cause...with no results. The doctor concluded that I just had

" constipation " ...even though my bowel movements were normal. After about a year

the pain eventually stopped though I still had frequent tonsil problems which

caused me to finally have them removed when I was 17. In 1992 I was informed

that one of the fillings was getting too worn and should be replaced. Within a

month of having that filling removed I began to experience many of the symptoms

that I had mentioned led to me discovering my " sluggish liver " problem.....hot

flashes, lethargy, apathy/depression, the psoriasis appearing suddenly, dry and

splotchy skin, constant tension and pain in neck & shoulders on the right side,

acne breakouts which were prone to infection, low blood pressure, and increase

in resting heart rate. These symptoms began to show at a time when I was

empathically following good diet guidelines for nearly two years (lots of fruit

and veggies, no sugar, no refined and preserved foods, no meat or fish, no white

flour products, no dairy or eggs, apple cider vinegar with lemon and fresh

veggie juices every day). I had been following this regimen for nearly 2

years...so, I began to think it might be the result of some deficiency and began

adding some egg & dairy (organic & raw at the time) back in to my diet... with

no apparent beneficial results. The reality is that over the last 10 years my

symptoms kept slowly getting worse....along with a gradual increase in my

weight, with a fair amount of it I now realize from bloating, that I was unable

to keep in check...no matter what I tried. I am beginning to wonder if the

mercury exposure when I had the fillings put in, and the mercury exposure when I

had the one filling removed, may be tired into the health problems (included the

liver/gallbladder dysfunction) that I have (had) been having. I wonder if some

of it may have settled in the liver causing it to not work as efficiently as it

should. I do know that the iron episode greatly increased the symptoms I was

already having (greatly being an understatement here) and added a number of new

symptoms which, though I did feel much better after stopping the iron, I never

really felt I recovered from until I did the gallbladder/liver flushing and

cleansing. Don't know where I am going with this...just thought I'd throw it

out there and see what comes back. I do feel though that I may have finally

found a key to what is behind the liver/gallbladder issues I have been

experiencing. Time to go and down some raw garlic. :~)Any other suggestions

on how to clear heavy metals out the system would be greatly appreciated.

Christa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Message: 5

Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:50:15 EDT

From: JayTownsend@...

Subject: Re: Re: antiamalgamists

Amalgams, a recent experience.

I've been watching the discussions on amalgams without commenting

because I'm

not convinced that there is a significant risk. But that's just my

opinion.

Anyway, today I had a long visit at the University of Washington dental

school with a student who has been doing a lot of work on my teeth.

Today's

work was removing an amalgam, which will be replaced in 2 weeks with a

gold

cap, not a crown, and I don't remember the exact term for this item.

This

student isn't a " kid " - he's at least 30 and has a lot of life

experiences

besides school, and I have a lot of respect for him and his work. He

is

meticulous, and he has made two crowns for me already.

Today I mentioned that a Scandinavian country has outlawed amalgams and

others have restricted their use, and he was aware of that. He said

that the

UofW position on them is the normal ADA position, that they are OK.

However,

he said that he himself will not use them when he sets up practice and

has in

fact replaced all of his own (3 or 4) with gold. He said that he

believes

that the official UofW position is the way it is because they have been

used

for so long that they are basically not willing to do a fair study on

them.

That's his personal opinion, not an official statement.

During this brief discussion on amalgams he pointed out that when they

are

worked on, or as in my case replaced, that there is an " explosion " of

mercury

that obviously transfers to the body, even with a rubber dam. The dust

from

drilling and more than likely the vaporization of mercury from the

drilling

heat cannot be kept away from inhalation or mixing with saliva. I

wanted to

make that point. If you do have amalgams removed, even the process of

removal can give you a significant shot of mercury into your body -

probably

far beyond the level that " leeched " out since installation. As soon as

I got

home I juiced up a bunch of carrots along with a globe/head of garlic

(12-15

cloves) and drank it. Garlic has been found to eliminate mercury from

the

body at a ratio of 10 to 1, 10 parts garlic removes 1 part of mercury.

I

have been juicing with lots of garlic cloves the past few days anyway,

so

hopefully I protected myself before the work, and I'll be juicing with

garlic

for many days to come in preparation for another flush.

By the way, he mentioned that plastic non-metallic amalgam replacement

has

problems of its own. The plastic doesn't last long and breaks up

easily

allowing for new decay. I'm going to have my remaining amalgams

removed

there, and will go the gold route, because my amalgams are very old.

(Today

he found decay under the amalgam that hadn't shown up from either

X-Rays or

visual inspection.)

Jay

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

christa:

IF you are mercury toxic, there is a school of thought that the diet you just

outlined would make you feel worse. if you switched to a diet richer in animal

proteins and fats, this might help with the effects of mercury poisoning. there

is alot of controversy as to what the best way to eat is. your story is a

classic mercury poisoning scenario. a slippery slope of seemingly unrelated

problems.

i would recommend the following avenues to pursue.

get on the live-food or primaldiet list and see if you can get a consult with

aajonus

check out andy cutler's book 'amalgam illness' and the list autism treatment

there are some people on the oxyplus list also that might have some suggestions

stay with the liver flushes

i have found that no one single person has a complete solution. but adding up

all the information from the above sources, things are starting to make some

sense for me.

hal huggins recommends a diet rich in animal products for mercury toxic people.

i have eaten like this for many years. i think i would be dead if i had not. the

liver cleanses seem to be changing this. i have also done many rounds of mercury

chelation according to andy cutler's protocol. i don't know exactly what is

happening, but i am feeling alot better as a result of experimenting with all of

these therapies. liver flushes, diet, some ozone, and chelation. i have

recently been wondering if these liver stones are (at least in part) an

encapsulation of heavy metals. according to cutler, the path mercury takes

naturally in being eliminated from the body is by being bound to bile and then

out through the bowel. a plugged liver will prevent the excretion. and then a

cleansing diet like the one you described will make you feel worse and worse, by

melting the stones and releasing metals back into your system. i have no idea

whether this is correct or not as i have never heard anyone propse this theory.

but for me, it makes sense of what has been happening.

another thing that cutler says mercury does is to interfere with mineral

absorption. i have tried and tried many things to get more minerals in, but no

matter what i do, it just doesn't seem to work. mercury is the only explanation

i have found that makes sense of this.

here is a summary of posts by andy cutler on the subject of mercury.

autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

[Guest guest]

--- IF you are mercury toxic, there is a school of thought that the

diet you just outlined would make you feel worse.----

Actually, the reverse was true...I was following this diet and was

feeling really good on it....when I had the filling removed and

replaced with a gold one....then the symptoms began....eventually I

added only the best available dairy & eggs back into my diet to see

if it would help (sorry - no animal flesh is going past these lips if

I can help it) and the problems only got worse. This has been a ten

year struggle of trying everything I could think of to alleviate the

health issues I was having.

I do recall that when I was around 11 or 12 years old, I had intense

cravings for milk. I would drink it by the gallon and it always had

to be ice cold (I really didn't like the taste of it). This lasted

for about 6-8 months...and then the craving suddenly stopped. After

that, the idea of drinking milk no longer had any appeal. I am

wondering if this happened after I had the first fillings put in? I

can't recall that much detail...but I was about that age.

-----if you switched to a diet richer in animal proteins and fats,

this might help with the effects of mercury poisoning. there is alot

of controversy as to what the best way to eat is. your story is a

classic mercury poisoning scenario. a slippery slope of seemingly

unrelated problems.-----

Since I have done the flushing I feel great! Nothing I eat seems to

really make me feel bad now...I just feel better when I eat raw/vegan

meals....and I feel sluggish when I eat cooked food or animal

products. I do wonder if raw milk products (I usually look for

goat's milk - easier for humans to digest) would fair better and not

bring my energy levels down...but I can't seem to find these products

like I used to.

------i have also done many rounds of mercury chelation according to

andy cutler's protocol.----

I admit I do not know much about the protocols of this diet. I will

have to look into it. The sites you have given has a lot to look

at. :~) Can anyone give me an abbreviated version of what this

therapy entails?

----i don't know exactly what is happening, but i am feeling alot

better as a result of experimenting with all of these therapies.

liver flushes, diet, some ozone, and chelation. i have recently been

wondering if these liver stones are (at least in part) an

encapsulation of heavy metals. according to cutler, the path mercury

takes naturally in being eliminated from the body is by being bound

to bile and then out through the bowel. a plugged liver will prevent

the excretion. and then a cleansing diet like the one you described

will make you feel worse and worse, by melting the stones and

releasing metals back into your system. i have no idea whether this

is correct or not as i have never heard anyone propse this theory.

but for me, it makes sense of what has been happening.----

I am wondering if the mercury exposure may be the cause of

my " plugged " liver...that my body, going into protective mode, bound

the mercury in some fashion, which lead to the liver get clogged up?

Your theory makes sense to me...and fits my experiences.

----another thing that cutler says mercury does is to interfere with

mineral absorption. i have tried and tried many things to get more

minerals in, but no matter what i do, it just doesn't seem to work.

mercury is the only explanation i have found that makes sense of

this.----

I have never really had problems with mineral absorption that I know

of...other than iron. My bones have always been very strong and I

have excellent muscle tone. This may explain why I was constantly

coming up as borderline anemic though. Around 8 months after the

iron overload episode, I was once again coming as borderline anemic.

Lately, I have had no problems with that....even with my raw/vegan

diet.

Thank you for your response...it has given me more to think about.

Many Blessings,

Christa

[Guest guest]

> christa:

>

> IF you are mercury toxic, there is a school of thought that the

diet you just outlined would make you feel worse. if you switched to

a diet richer in animal proteins and fats, this might help with the

effects of mercury poisoning. there is alot of controversy as to what

the best way to eat is. your story is a classic mercury poisoning

scenario. a slippery slope of seemingly unrelated problems.

>

> i would recommend the following avenues to pursue.

>

> get on the live-food or primaldiet list and see if you can get a

consult with aajonus

> check out andy cutler's book 'amalgam illness' and the list autism-

mercury

> there are some people on the oxyplus list also that might have some

suggestions

> stay with the liver flushes

>

> i have found that no one single person has a complete solution. but

adding up all the information from the above sources, things are

starting to make some sense for me.

>

> hal huggins recommends a diet rich in animal products for mercury

toxic people. i have eaten like this for many years. i think i would

be dead if i had not. the liver cleanses seem to be changing this. i

have also done many rounds of mercury chelation according to andy

cutler's protocol. i don't know exactly what is happening, but i am

feeling alot better as a result of experimenting with all of these

therapies. liver flushes, diet, some ozone, and chelation. i have

recently been wondering if these liver stones are (at least in part)

an encapsulation of heavy metals. according to cutler, the path

mercury takes naturally in being eliminated from the body is by being

bound to bile and then out through the bowel. a plugged liver will

prevent the excretion. and then a cleansing diet like the one you

described will make you feel worse and worse, by melting the stones

and releasing metals back into your system. i have no idea whether

this is correct or not as i have never heard anyone propse this

theory. but for me, it makes sense of what has been happening.

>

> another thing that cutler says mercury does is to interfere with

mineral absorption. i have tried and tried many things to get more

minerals in, but no matter what i do, it just doesn't seem to work.

mercury is the only explanation i have found that makes sense of this.

>

> here is a summary of posts by andy cutler on the subject of

mercury.

>

> autism/files/ANDY_INDEX

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--------------------- IF you are mercury toxic, there is a school of thought

that the diet you just outlined would make you feel

worse.--------------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

---------------------------------------------------------- Actually, the reverse

was true...I was following this diet and was feeling really good on it....when I

had the filling removed and replaced with a gold one....then the symptoms

began....eventually I added only the best available dairy & eggs back into my

diet to see if it would help (sorry - no animal flesh is going past these lips

if I can help it) and the problems only got worse. This has been a ten year

struggle of trying everything I could think of to alleviate the health issues I

was having. I do recall that when I was around 11 or 12 years old, I had intense

cravings for milk. I would drink it by the gallon and it always had to be ice

cold (I really didn't like the taste of it). This lasted for about 6-8

months...and then the craving suddenly stopped. After that, the idea of

drinking milk no longer had any appeal. I am wondering if this happened after I

had the first fillings put in? I can't recall that much detail...but I was

about that age. -------------if you switched to a diet richer in animal

proteins and fats, this might help with the effects of mercury poisoning. there

is alot of controversy as to what the best way to eat is. your story is a

classic mercury poisoning scenario. a slippery slope of seemingly unrelated

problems.-----------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

------------------------------------------------------- Since I have done the

flushing I feel great! Nothing I eat seems to really make me feel bad now...I

just feel better when I eat raw/vegan meals....and I feel sluggish when I eat

cooked food or animal products. I do wonder if raw milk products would fair

better and not bring my energy levels down...but I can't seem to find these

products like I used to. ----------------i have also done many rounds of mercury

chelation according to andy cutler's

protocol.-----------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------- I admit I do not know much about the protocols of this

diet. I will have to look into it. The sites you have given has a lot to look

at. :~) Can anyone give me an abbreviated version of what this therapy

entails? -----------i don't know exactly what is happening, but i am feeling

alot better as a result of experimenting with all of these therapies. liver

flushes, diet, some ozone, and chelation. i have recently been wondering if

these liver stones are (at least in part) an encapsulation of heavy metals.

according to cutler, the path mercury takes naturally in being eliminated from

the body is by being bound to bile and then out through the bowel. a plugged

liver will prevent the excretion. and then a cleansing diet like the one you

described will make you feel worse and worse, by melting the stones and

releasing metals back into your system. i have no idea whether this is correct

or not as i have never heard anyone propse this theory. but for me, it makes

sense of what has been

happening.----------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

------------------- I am wondering if the mercury exposure may be the cause of

my " plugged " liver...that my body, going into protective mode, bound the mercury

in some fashion, which lead to the liver get clogged up? Your theory makes sense

to me...and fits my experiences.

---------------another thing that cutler says mercury does is to interfere with

mineral absorption. i have tried and tried many things to get more minerals in,

but no matter what i do, it just doesn't seem to work. mercury is the only

explanation i have found that makes sense of

this.---------------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have

never really had problems with mineral absorption that I know of...other than

iron. My bones have always been very strong and I have excellent muscle tone.

This may explain why I was constantly coming up as borderline anemic though.

Around 8 months after the iron overload episode, I was once again coming as

borderline anemic. Lately, I have had no problems with that....even with my

raw/vegan diet. Thank you for your response...it has given me more to think

about. Many Blessings, Christa

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

<<when I had the filling removed and replaced with a gold one....then the

symptoms began>>

according to andy cutler, this is what happens after a person has their amalgams

removed. the body tries to excrete mercury once the amalgams are removed. the

body is under the most stress while trying to excrete the mercury. when the

fillings are in, the body is accumulating mercury in the organs, no excreting.

i am not trying to push animal products on you, just trying to help you make

sense of this. there are other ways to accomplish what you are trying to do

without forcing animal products. especially if your body is telling you not to

eat them.

glad that you are feeling better with the flushes.

as far as there being too much material on the sites i mentioned. well... this

is what i consider to be a 'pleasant problem' talk to the mother of an autistic

child and tell her that there might be hope for her child, but there is one

catch. that she will have to read alot of information.

a doubt that the liver stones are caused solely by metal poisoning. probably

there are scores of complex and interrelated causes.

[Guest guest]

-------a doubt that the liver stones are caused solely by metal

poisoning. probably there are scores of complex and interrelated

causes.-----

Maybe you are right....but I do feel that it may the key that could

have started the domino effect for me. I am reminded of theory years

ago that circulated the medical community about what caused ulcers.

For the longest time we always kept hearing about diet and stress

being the possible cause...until one doctor finally proved...by using

himself as a guinea pig....that stomach ulcers were caused by a

specific pathogen. Diet and stress only made the symptoms

worse...but they were not the cause. I am beginning to wonder if

something similar may be going on here.

Christa

[Guest guest]

Just a thought, but has anyone given any thought to starting a " mercury

amalgam " list, for discussion of pros, cons, research, experiences, removal.

etc.? I do not mean to be sarcastic by asking this question. It is obvious

that there are people who have much interest in this, and some who do not.

It doesn't bother me, but it seems to be taking up a lot of time/space. I

am on another list (homeschooling) where long, off-topic discussions have

led to new lists being formed specifically for that topic.

Debra

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There are amalgam lists.

But I think the discussion will die down.

----- Original Message -----

From: " D B " <fairyflight@...>

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Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 9:32 PM

Subject: Re: Re: amalgams~ my experiences

> Just a thought, but has anyone given any thought to starting a " mercury

> amalgam " list, for discussion of pros, cons, research, experiences,

removal.

> etc.? I do not mean to be sarcastic by asking this question. It is

obvious

> that there are people who have much interest in this, and some who do not.

> It doesn't bother me, but it seems to be taking up a lot of time/space. I

> am on another list (homeschooling) where long, off-topic discussions have

> led to new lists being formed specifically for that topic.

>

> Debra

>

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> Just a thought, but has anyone given any thought to starting

a " mercury

> amalgam " list, for discussion of pros, cons, research, experiences,

removal.

> etc.? I do not mean to be sarcastic by asking this question. It is

obvious

> that there are people who have much interest in this, and some who

do not.

> It doesn't bother me, but it seems to be taking up a lot of

time/space. I

> am on another list (homeschooling) where long, off-topic

discussions have

> led to new lists being formed specifically for that topic.

My post may have been about amalgams and mercury exposure....but it

is not " off topic. " It speciafically discusseed the possible

connection of mercury exposure to my liver/gallbladder

disfunction...as I see it, that does concern what this list is about.

Christa

[Guest guest]

Dear Debra,

There has been a lot of information said on this subject in previous

posts (months ago before any of the present people in the discussion

wereinvolved with the group). If anyone is interested in finding

what has been said in the past on the subject, the answer may already

exhist in the archives of this site. Check it out :-)

I would also encourage people to create a folder in the bookmark and

or file section of our site to keep all the info handy in one place.

It would save a lot of time and be a good source of info in one spot.

In advance, thanking any of you who wish to contribute to the

knowledge base of this site,

~Suzanne---

> In gallstones@y..., " D B " <fairyflight@h...> wrote:

> Just a thought, but has anyone given any thought to starting

> a " mercury amalgam " list, for discussion of pros, cons, research,

> experiences, removal.

> etc.?

>

> Debra