Re: The 10 Red Flags of Junk Science

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So,,,,,,,what's your point?

Dale

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Dale,

I agree with you.

Susie

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So,,,,,,,what's your point?

Dale

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From: Ira L. son

gallstones

Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 4:07 AM

Subject: The 10 Red Flags of Junk Science

I found these definitions and was wondering if they are acceptable to

all the list members:

>The 10 Red Flags of Junk Science

>The credibility of health information varies widely, making it tough

>to know what to believe and what to discard. To sort the jewels from

>the junk, screen health information against the 10 Red Flags of Junk

>Science. Any combination of these signs should send up a red flag of

>suspicion about the accuracy of the information.

>Recommendations that promise a quick fix.

>Dire warnings of danger from a single product or regimen.

>Claims that sound too good to be true.

>Simplistic conclusions drawn from a complex study.

>Recommendations based on a single study.

>Dramatic statements that are refuted by reputable scientific

>organizations.

>Lists of " good " and " bad " foods.

>Recommendations made to help sell a product.

>Recommendations based on studies published without peer review.

>Recommendations from studies that ignore differences among

>individuals or groups.

>

>Source: The Food and Nutrition Science Alliance (FANSA), a

>partnership of the American Dietetic Association, the American

>Society for Clinical Nutrition, the American Society for Nutritional

>Sciences and the Institute of Food Technologists.

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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At or about 16:24, 28/06/2002 (my clock), Dale wrote the

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>So,,,,,,,what's your point?

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>Dale

Just an interesting way of looking at things.

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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I looked at that list and thought it was just common sense.

But I do disagree with one point - there are good foods and bad foods. Sugar is

a bad food IMO. Even normally good foods can be " bad food " for some who are

ill. Fruit is a bad food for me right now.

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> >Dale

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> Just an interesting way of looking at things.

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[Guest guest]

My reason for asking had to do with the fact that this particular flagging is

really quite vague in its application to all science. There are varied levels of

intellectual thought that goes into virtually all things that happen in the

world. Therefore, to slide it all in to a nice compact ten note slot would be

nice but just isn't really practical in the real world.

Caveat emptor was the basis for living your life many years ago and it really

does still apply today. In fact, that is really pretty much what this group is

all about too. We often ask others for information regarding how things have

happened for them whether it had to do with health or a remodeling of their

house. Many will seek information from organizations that study various products

and thereby make determinations as to which one they well ultimately purchase.

We ask friends if they know of a reputable contractor for work of which may be

needed on their homes or cars. It then becomes the base from which they live and

it is caveat emptor. It is either by anecdotal consideration or it is from

presumed fact or scientific fact. But one thing always remains the same and that

is; variables do.

One vary important variable is the human body and its response to even the

minutest levels of various chemical inputs. Not all people will suffer and not

all will benefit from some types of chemicals but then there are others of which

will certainly affect everyone in complete unity, such as cyanide gas for

instance. I don't think there is a person on this or any other group that would

find it to be a healthy alternative but today there is a facial cream made from

a toxin and sold as a great emollient, I question its energies.

I point now to the effects people can get from the homeopathic use of energies

that are contained within tinctures that my be cut so many times that there are

virtually no traces of the original material makeup, but the effect of

stimulation to the body is maintained and at higher levels. These are not sold

as quick fixes and I'm glad they aren't because I don't believe in the silver

bullet either. However, the anecdotal information shows that many people have

responded to the application of these energies.

The main thing about energies contained in naturally occurring products, that

is, those grown from the earths plants and animals, will have this natural

energy within its structure. This is one of the reasons I believe people suffer

from the use of such so called chemically made and unnatural foods such as

aspartame. Those who report as having had reactions are reporting that their

body is responding as a whole unit to the input of an unnatural food.

We can take this even further to religious views regarding the consumption of

certain natural foods. Some religions of the world consider some naturally grown

foods as bad foods but for now I'll just limit it to non-sectarian thought. But,

we will still try to make it interesting.

Perhaps we should take each of the tem points and see where there is agreement

or disagreement. This I'm sure could take quite some writing time as well as

thought.

Dale

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>So,,,,,,,what's your point?

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>Dale

Just an interesting way of looking at things.

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ira,

The answer to your question would be no. I say this based on the fact that

they are not acceptable to me. I am a list memeber. Even if they are

acceptable to all the other list members, the fact that they are not

acceptable to me means that they are not acceptable to " all " the list

members. Have a good day and I wish you the best of health

Vince

>From: " Ira L. son " <laser@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: The 10 Red Flags of Junk Science

>Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:07:35 +0300

>

>I found these definitions and was wondering if they are acceptable to

>all the list members:

>

> >The 10 Red Flags of Junk Science

> >The credibility of health information varies widely, making it tough

> >to know what to believe and what to discard. To sort the jewels from

> >the junk, screen health information against the 10 Red Flags of Junk

> >Science. Any combination of these signs should send up a red flag of

> >suspicion about the accuracy of the information.

> >Recommendations that promise a quick fix.

> >Dire warnings of danger from a single product or regimen.

> >Claims that sound too good to be true.

> >Simplistic conclusions drawn from a complex study.

> >Recommendations based on a single study.

> >Dramatic statements that are refuted by reputable scientific

> >organizations.

> >Lists of " good " and " bad " foods.

> >Recommendations made to help sell a product.

> >Recommendations based on studies published without peer review.

> >Recommendations from studies that ignore differences among

> >individuals or groups.

> >

> >Source: The Food and Nutrition Science Alliance (FANSA), a

> >partnership of the American Dietetic Association, the American

> >Society for Clinical Nutrition, the American Society for Nutritional

> >Sciences and the Institute of Food Technologists.

>

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