Re: melting point-Barry your gallbladder

[Guest guest]

>

> Yes, I have my gallstone in front of me. It was removed 7 weeks ago

> and is still as hard as a rock. The same as when it came out.

> Mine is what I consider the 'real gallstone'. Melting blobs of bile

> balls are not what is causing those colic attacks but it is the

hard stone(s) that are still in the gb that are the 'problem stones'.

> Barry.

I was just curious what size gallstone is yours. I had my gallbladder

removed this October will be 2 years. They had such a hard time

trying to get my gallbladder out that they had to crush the hard

stones in it before they could get it out. Anyway. My liver is

feeling so sluggish and I've noticed that now allergies are hitting

me. I'm wanting to try the flush againl. I've actually be to sick at

times to try it since surgery-Thanks to surgeon. But thanks to a good

alternative Dr I'm feeling better and planning on trying this again.

Thanks

Diane

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

My gallstone is 1.1 cm in size and hard like a crusty rock.

How do you know your liver is sluggish? What are the signs?

I haven't had any problems in the 7 weeks since surgery. Thank God.

I can eat anything at anytime of day or night without any sort of

colic or diarrhea. I'm one of the 'lucky' 95% of the people with

absolutely no post-surgery problems.

Good luck with your health.

Barry.

> >

> > Yes, I have my gallstone in front of me. It was removed 7 weeks

ago

> > and is still as hard as a rock. The same as when it came out.

> > Mine is what I consider the 'real gallstone'. Melting blobs of

bile

> > balls are not what is causing those colic attacks but it is the

> hard stone(s) that are still in the gb that are the 'problem

stones'.

> > Barry.

>

> I was just curious what size gallstone is yours. I had my

gallbladder

> removed this October will be 2 years. They had such a hard time

> trying to get my gallbladder out that they had to crush the hard

> stones in it before they could get it out. Anyway. My liver is

> feeling so sluggish and I've noticed that now allergies are hitting

> me. I'm wanting to try the flush againl. I've actually be to sick

at

> times to try it since surgery-Thanks to surgeon. But thanks to a

good

> alternative Dr I'm feeling better and planning on trying this again.

>

> Thanks

> Diane

[Guest guest]

> How do you know your liver is sluggish? What are the signs?

Not sure how to explain it. Just feel run down. Have lots of

allergies that I didn't have 18 months ago with hayfever type.

Kind of a heavy feeling. I just remember feeling like this when my

Chiro checked and showed my liver wasn't working like it showed and

when I take the natural herbal products within a few days-week I

start to feel a lot better.

>

> I haven't had any problems in the 7 weeks since surgery.

That's nice. I didn't start feeling better until at least 6 weeks

after surgery. After talking to lots of others about the pain I was

in (which when I woke up from surgery, was worse than my attacks)they

said it was either a cracked/broken rib or a nicked liver. My other

Dr is thinking nicked liver cause I was a lot sicker in the (About)

36 hours since I saw him and had surgery. It felt bad that he even

told me to go to the ER cause he said that in all the years he's been

seeing me as my Dr. He's never seen me so ill as he did after

surgery. I actually wanted to die the next day-week afterwards.

> I can eat anything at anytime of day or night without any sort of

> colic or diarrhea. I'm one of the 'lucky' 95% of the people with

> absolutely no post-surgery problems

I wonder where they get those numbers because in my area it's only

been about 5% of the people that I know who had the surgery that are

happy with it. Everyone else either feels like crap or has other

problems since surgery. I can eat anything now without pain but I

constantly get diarrhea and pick up toxins now. If my kids get sick I

end up getting sick and take tons longer to recover where as before I

didn't get sick if they came home with something and if I did it

lasted less than a day. I've gotten strep for the first time in my

life this past month and in the last 6 months have been ill at least

6x's.

Luckily my Father who is a Chiropractor gave me some great info to

read about a wonderful product and I'm going to contact him for more

info on it. Sounds like something that will really improve my health.

Hope you continue to do good.

D

[Guest guest]

Dear D,

Sorry to hear about your problems but according to the millions of

people who have had their gb's removed you are definitely in the 5%

minority instead of the 95% majority. You will have to take it up

with the AMA if you don't believe the numbers. My brother, father,

grandfather, and grandmother all had their gb's out without problems.

Also to contribute the cause of your sickness's like strep throat or

colds to the fact that you don't have your gb anymore is unfounded.

Maybe your over all health is suffering because of lack of excersize

or dieting correctly? Don't blame everything on the gb. You should

find out what your body needs and work on the right solutions there.

Good luck with your health and search for happiness.

Barry.

> > How do you know your liver is sluggish? What are the signs?

>

> Not sure how to explain it. Just feel run down. Have lots of

> allergies that I didn't have 18 months ago with hayfever type.

> Kind of a heavy feeling. I just remember feeling like this when my

> Chiro checked and showed my liver wasn't working like it showed and

> when I take the natural herbal products within a few days-week I

> start to feel a lot better.

> >

> > I haven't had any problems in the 7 weeks since surgery.

>

> That's nice. I didn't start feeling better until at least 6 weeks

> after surgery. After talking to lots of others about the pain I was

> in (which when I woke up from surgery, was worse than my attacks)

they

> said it was either a cracked/broken rib or a nicked liver. My other

> Dr is thinking nicked liver cause I was a lot sicker in the (About)

> 36 hours since I saw him and had surgery. It felt bad that he even

> told me to go to the ER cause he said that in all the years he's

been

> seeing me as my Dr. He's never seen me so ill as he did after

> surgery. I actually wanted to die the next day-week afterwards.

>

> > I can eat anything at anytime of day or night without any sort of

> > colic or diarrhea. I'm one of the 'lucky' 95% of the people with

> > absolutely no post-surgery problems

>

> I wonder where they get those numbers because in my area it's only

> been about 5% of the people that I know who had the surgery that

are

> happy with it. Everyone else either feels like crap or has other

> problems since surgery. I can eat anything now without pain but I

> constantly get diarrhea and pick up toxins now. If my kids get sick

I

> end up getting sick and take tons longer to recover where as before

I

> didn't get sick if they came home with something and if I did it

> lasted less than a day. I've gotten strep for the first time in my

> life this past month and in the last 6 months have been ill at

least

> 6x's.

>

> Luckily my Father who is a Chiropractor gave me some great info to

> read about a wonderful product and I'm going to contact him for

more

> info on it. Sounds like something that will really improve my

health.

>

> Hope you continue to do good.

> D

[Guest guest]

> colds to the fact that you don't have your gb anymore is unfounded.

> Maybe your over all health is suffering because of lack of

excersize

> or dieting correctly? Don't blame everything on the gb. You should

> find out what your body needs and work on the right solutions

there.

I happen to walk quite a bit. I was raised by a Chiropractor that

practices very excellent eating habits, No sugar or junk food and we

ate very healthy. Healthy enough that we didn't need vaccines. Most

of my family has never had health problems.

I've also been checked by a wonderful Dr and he's found that toxins

from my gallbladder leaked into my system and has cause my immune

system to weaken. The only difference that has occurred was my

sugery. Why am I even explaining myself to you?

You don't know me and it's so easy to assume that I don't do anything

but sit around eating bon bons. Sorry, that's not the case. I know

more about true eating healthy than most people were ever taught

thanks to my Parents healthy ways.

As far as the AMA. Your not serious are you. Who do you think backs

them up. Medical Dr.s. Most MD's are not going to report problems. In

my family and extended family there are 6 off the top of my head that

have either died, became seriously ill or damaged from the Medical.

My mother was told she would die within 2 years and couldn't have

kids, there are 7 of us and alternative medicine kept her alive 30

years longer. My nephew almost died in the hospital and if it wasn't

for a nurse slipping up his parents wouldn't have never know about

the cover up. A cousin had her Gallbladder taken out and was told it

was perfectly healthy. Opps wrong test. Some of these DR's really

need to go back to school. I'm only hitting the iceberg. It would

take me months to type up all the stories from friends that have

worked with Dr's and the cover ups they've seen. Ugh. So don't trust

the AMA just cause they can give you statistics.

Some Dr's that try to come forward about things that go on get black

listed. If you have a family to feed you can't afford that so you put

up with it.

Average Deaths per year from FDA approved Prescription Druhs is

100,000. and that doesn't even touch medical malpractice or wrong

procedures.

D

[Guest guest]

D,

To be honest with you...I just don't get your point.

What is it you want to say? That the AMA is wrong? That doctors are

bad people? That you have post-surgery problems? O.K. so you do. So

you should have tried to flush before opting for surgery. We heard

all that. What would be really helpful is if you can tell us what you

are doing to correct your problems since you don't have the gb

anymore. Maybe that would help someone who has to go through an

operation like you did. We all want to be healthy and happy with or

without our gb's. Can you give us some suggestions on how to heal

from your surgery problems?

Barry.

>

> > colds to the fact that you don't have your gb anymore is

unfounded.

> > Maybe your over all health is suffering because of lack of

> excersize

> > or dieting correctly? Don't blame everything on the gb. You

should

> > find out what your body needs and work on the right solutions

> there.

>

> I happen to walk quite a bit. I was raised by a Chiropractor that

> practices very excellent eating habits, No sugar or junk food and

we

> ate very healthy. Healthy enough that we didn't need vaccines. Most

> of my family has never had health problems.

>

> I've also been checked by a wonderful Dr and he's found that toxins

> from my gallbladder leaked into my system and has cause my immune

> system to weaken. The only difference that has occurred was my

> sugery. Why am I even explaining myself to you?

>

> You don't know me and it's so easy to assume that I don't do

anything

> but sit around eating bon bons. Sorry, that's not the case. I know

> more about true eating healthy than most people were ever taught

> thanks to my Parents healthy ways.

>

> As far as the AMA. Your not serious are you. Who do you think

backs

> them up. Medical Dr.s. Most MD's are not going to report problems.

In

> my family and extended family there are 6 off the top of my head

that

> have either died, became seriously ill or damaged from the Medical.

> My mother was told she would die within 2 years and couldn't have

> kids, there are 7 of us and alternative medicine kept her alive 30

> years longer. My nephew almost died in the hospital and if it

wasn't

> for a nurse slipping up his parents wouldn't have never know about

> the cover up. A cousin had her Gallbladder taken out and was told

it

> was perfectly healthy. Opps wrong test. Some of these DR's really

> need to go back to school. I'm only hitting the iceberg. It would

> take me months to type up all the stories from friends that have

> worked with Dr's and the cover ups they've seen. Ugh. So don't

trust

> the AMA just cause they can give you statistics.

>

> Some Dr's that try to come forward about things that go on get

black

> listed. If you have a family to feed you can't afford that so you

put

> up with it.

>

> Average Deaths per year from FDA approved Prescription Druhs is

> 100,000. and that doesn't even touch medical malpractice or wrong

> procedures.

> D

[Guest guest]

> What would be really helpful is if you can tell us what you

> are doing to correct your problems since you don't have the gb

> anymore. Maybe that would help someone who has to go through an

> operation like you did. We all want to be healthy and happy with or

> without our gb's. Can you give us some suggestions on how to heal

> from your surgery problems?

If I knew how to correct my post surgery problems don't you think I

would be doing it. Basically I have to rebuild my immune system and

find a way to keep the toxins out that keeps showing up since the

surgery. I would say that if your going to get your gallbladder out

plan on a liver cleansing by DR. cobat or someone else and doing some

of these flushes. I didn't find out about them in time so only got to

do a couple of them. Also take Dr. 's formula for the

liver and gallbladder. One of his product someone took and within

days dumped a whole cup of Hard Gallstones.

And don't be surprised if your surgery doesn't leave you in heaven. I

read articles from Health care providers that worked with Gallbladder

patients and she said she was amazed at how many of those patients

were back within 3 years for more surgery's do to gallbladder type

problems. She decided to look into alternative/natural healing and

found greater results.

And no I wouldn't trust the AMA Most people that join this list are

looking for alternatives the AMA does not support alternatives.

>

> Barry.

[Guest guest]

Are doctors helping you (or alternative doctors) in rebuilding your

immune system? What is the course of action to do that? I've never

heard of anyone having to rebuild the immune system because they have

removed the gallbladder. Liver maybe but not the gallbladder. Unless

the liver is bad already this doesn't sound correct.

Also what is the name of that product? If you told everyone in here

and they tried it they wouldn't have anymore colic attacks and

probably wouldn't even need to flush anymore. Also, this wonder drug

could be a good investment business for me to look into if it works

as well as you advertise.

So far, in my particular case, finally getting rid of the pain with

or without the gb has put me in heaven. If I ever have biliary pain

from my liver and common duct I will definitely try a flush again.

Do you think that the flush will help you to rebuild your immune

system? Maybe by cleaning the liver this will happen?

Good luck with your health. In the mean time I'm going to look for

information that can prove that removing the gallbladder will effect

the immune system.

Barry.

> > What would be really helpful is if you can tell us what you

> > are doing to correct your problems since you don't have the gb

> > anymore. Maybe that would help someone who has to go through an

> > operation like you did. We all want to be healthy and happy with

or

> > without our gb's. Can you give us some suggestions on how to heal

> > from your surgery problems?

>

>

> If I knew how to correct my post surgery problems don't you think I

> would be doing it. Basically I have to rebuild my immune system and

> find a way to keep the toxins out that keeps showing up since the

> surgery. I would say that if your going to get your gallbladder out

> plan on a liver cleansing by DR. cobat or someone else and doing

some

> of these flushes. I didn't find out about them in time so only got

to

> do a couple of them. Also take Dr. 's formula for the

> liver and gallbladder. One of his product someone took and within

> days dumped a whole cup of Hard Gallstones.

>

> And don't be surprised if your surgery doesn't leave you in heaven.

I

> read articles from Health care providers that worked with

Gallbladder

> patients and she said she was amazed at how many of those patients

> were back within 3 years for more surgery's do to gallbladder type

> problems. She decided to look into alternative/natural healing and

> found greater results.

>

> And no I wouldn't trust the AMA Most people that join this list are

> looking for alternatives the AMA does not support alternatives.

> >

> > Barry.

[Guest guest]

> >>A cousin had her Gallbladder taken out and was told it

> was perfectly healthy.<<

>

> Even my GI told me that some doctors will take out the gallbladder

first to

> see if that eliminates the problem, instead of eliminating other

> problems(reflux, dyskenesia, etc) first. That is just so

ridiculous!

> Perform surgeery, remove a healthy organ, and THEN look elsewhere!

I was

> fortunate to have doctors who took their time, and eliminated other

> possibilities first. They did not automatically assume that a few

> gallstones were causing my pain.

Her problem wasn't even gastro or digestion related. She didn't feel

right. Her emotions were a mess. They tried to put her on an anti

depressant. Turned out she had something- don't know what it's called

but it's where your uterus turns into a sponge. She knew it was

female related but her Dr. wouldn't see it.

Like I've said I think it depends on what stat people are in cause

the Majority of people who have had the surgery weather Lapro or open

have not been happy. At least I knew enough to not go to the hospital

up the street cause another hospital has to redo their work. Also

mine wasn't considered Emergency just in enough pain to make me say

yes. So they sceduled me as soon as they could which was several

hours later.

D

[Guest guest]

D,

The research that I found on the web before opting for surgery

revieled to me that the difference of risk between open or lapro

surgery is very minimal. Like the differences from .01% to .05%.

And 3% to 5% for other complications, etc. I had open surgery which

was less risking on all counts. It is also easiler for them to remove

the gb clearly without using the scope, etc. I had scheduled surgery

which is also less risky than an emergency procedure.

Barry.

> > >>A cousin had her Gallbladder taken out and was told it

> > was perfectly healthy.<<

> >

> > Even my GI told me that some doctors will take out the

gallbladder

> first to

> > see if that eliminates the problem, instead of eliminating other

> > problems(reflux, dyskenesia, etc) first. That is just so

> ridiculous!

> > Perform surgeery, remove a healthy organ, and THEN look

elsewhere!

> I was

> > fortunate to have doctors who took their time, and eliminated

other

> > possibilities first. They did not automatically assume that a

few

> > gallstones were causing my pain.

>

>

> Her problem wasn't even gastro or digestion related. She didn't

feel

> right. Her emotions were a mess. They tried to put her on an anti

> depressant. Turned out she had something- don't know what it's

called

> but it's where your uterus turns into a sponge. She knew it was

> female related but her Dr. wouldn't see it.

>

> Like I've said I think it depends on what stat people are in cause

> the Majority of people who have had the surgery weather Lapro or

open

> have not been happy. At least I knew enough to not go to the

hospital

> up the street cause another hospital has to redo their work. Also

> mine wasn't considered Emergency just in enough pain to make me say

> yes. So they sceduled me as soon as they could which was several

> hours later.

> D

[Guest guest]

> Are doctors helping you (or alternative doctors) in rebuilding your

> immune system? What is the course of action to do that? I've never

> heard of anyone having to rebuild the immune system because they

have

> removed the gallbladder. Liver maybe but not the gallbladder.

Unless

> the liver is bad already this doesn't sound correct.

>

> Also what is the name of that product? If you told everyone in here

> and they tried it they wouldn't have anymore colic attacks and

> probably wouldn't even need to flush anymore. Also, this wonder

drug

> could be a good investment business for me to look into if it works

> as well as you advertise.

>

> So far, in my particular case, finally getting rid of the pain with

> or without the gb has put me in heaven. If I ever have biliary pain

> from my liver and common duct I will definitely try a flush again.

>

> Do you think that the flush will help you to rebuild your immune

> system? Maybe by cleaning the liver this will happen?

>

> Good luck with your health. In the mean time I'm going to look for

> information that can prove that removing the gallbladder will

effect

> the immune system.

>

> Barry.

I never said that these were wonder products I said that these were

somethings I've found out about after my surgery and yes I have

mentioned them to the list several times. I don't know if anyone has

tried them. But the chinese one I learned from this list years ago.

The one from DR. you can find out at www.herbsfirst.com

and it's not a multi level thing so forget trying to make money off

it.

I think the flush will help me but you've got to realize that when

you are taken care of a family you can't just up and do certian

things. You have to plan them out and if you end up to sick when you

plan to do it you don't do it. As for the liver. My liver was fine

before my gallbladder was removed. It doesn't matter weather you can

prove or not that my surgery cause me problems. The fact is I've

lived with my body for over 30 years and you don't even know me. I

know how I feel and I know the changes. I know my body better than

any MD that I've seen. I know how I felt before surgery and I know

the Hell I went through after. I know how many times a year I got

sick which was rare, before my surgery and I know how many times I've

been sick since and it's been tons. So you go to your Dr' and be

happy and I'll go to mine.

My Chiropractor has done more for me and honestly saved my life with

all of this. He thought it would be a simple key hole surgery like

others he's seen and he was so mad when he saw how sick I was after

wards. I went straight to him from the hospital and he couldn't

believe how much worse I was in less than 36 hours. He did some test

and gave me some stuff and said that if there wasn't improvement by

tomorrow I was going to have my liver tested. He was very worried and

scared for me. He was very mad also that when I called the DR's they

kept blowing me off. They didn't believe I was in pain. They thought

I was one of those whimpy woman that can't handle pain which ticked

me to no end cause I have had my babies natural with horrid back

labor so I know pain and this was worse. Maybe its the MD's and

Sugeons in my area but they are known for not listening to you or not

taking you seriously (especially if your a woman) and boy do they

hate to be questioned.

I'm doing better since going back to my Chiropractor when we can

afford it so there is no need to keep this thread going I think.

It's not really a friendly one but feeling like you trying to prove

that my pain and suffering isn't from surgery and me trying to prove

myself and I've had enough of that thank you. I and my husband know

what I'm going through and we don't need someone trying to prove it

wrong.

So lets end this. I shouldn't have come back to this list. It's just

that years ago it was very alternative and natural and I wanted to

see if anyone else found any knew treatements for cleansing livers

beside the flushes. I don't mind giving them a try but they aren't

something that you can just jump into. You have to plan them.

Good bye

D