Re: Heart Murmur

[Guest guest]

,

I wouldn't worry too much. My son got the same diagnosis at his 2 mo.

check-up. Doc said it was a level 4 Pulminary Flow-something or other.

Took my son back for a check (the only time he has been back since 2mo.--

and hasn't had any shots yet......) when he was 10m., and doc didn't detect

any problem; said that it seemed to be resolving itself..... That was a

real relief. So, I think at this point, if your son is thriving and

developing well and showing no signs of concern, it just needs to be

reevaluated around 12 months. Hope this helps.

Blessings,

Carolyn L.

[Guest guest]

(((Hugs))) --- but just wanted to reassure you. I had a heart murmur

when I was born (noticeable during their first examination of me I'm

told) and I've never had a problem - I will be 34 in February. It

never kept me from doing anything, and as a matter of fact

I 'outgrew' it - as they couldn't even detect it in all of their

fancy tests at the hospital when I was 11 years old.

My niece was born with one, and now at 5 yo they can't detect one in

her either...

The cardiologist will be able to tell on an echo or the like if there

are any problems with valves etc, but most likely it's not a big

deal!

(((Hugs)))

Stacey

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-- In Vaccinations@y..., " Ives " <mives@s...> wrote:

> Hi group - I need a little support now <<sniff>>. I just got back

from the pediatrician w/my 6 wk. old ds because he is choking on his

saliva, acting a little off. Well, that isn't the problem, probably

reflux, but the doc. said he has a heart murmur! I know it can be

nothing, or minor, or something that resolves itself, but I can't

help but worry. Doc. said that usually when you can hear a murmur

this early it is serious and referred us to a pediatric

cardiologist. As soon as I got home I called my Naturopath, who said

completely the opposite, and so does the " What to Expect ... " book,

that when they are detected this early its usually nothing serious,

just some more developind to be done. DS is gaining weight well,

doesn't turn blue or anything, but geez I'm worried! Anybody had any

experience with intant heart murmurs?

>

> Is a murmur a contraindication for vaccinations? I planned on

delayed selective vax so far, but this would make up my mind for me.

>

> BTW - for the reflux, ND said lay off wheat and dairy.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

As a Adult with a heart drfect and a mother who had a

child who had a heart defect I understand your fear.

Go to the ped cardi. they will do what is called an

echocardigram- basically an ultrasound of the heart.

It doen't hurt, but it is a long procudure. The fact

that he is not turning blue and has a good weight gain

are good things.

Kayte

--- Ives <mives@...> wrote:

> Hi group - I need a little support now <<sniff>>. I

> just got back from the pediatrician w/my 6 wk. old

> ds because he is choking on his saliva, acting a

> little off. Well, that isn't the problem, probably

> reflux, but the doc. said he has a heart murmur! I

> know it can be nothing, or minor, or something that

> resolves itself, but I can't help but worry. Doc.

> said that usually when you can hear a murmur this

> early it is serious and referred us to a pediatric

> cardiologist. As soon as I got home I called my

> Naturopath, who said completely the opposite, and so

> does the " What to Expect ... " book, that when they

> are detected this early its usually nothing serious,

> just some more developind to be done. DS is

> gaining weight well, doesn't turn blue or anything,

> but geez I'm worried! Anybody had any experience

> with intant heart murmurs?

>

> Is a murmur a contraindication for vaccinations? I

> planned on delayed selective vax so far, but this

> would make up my mind for me.

>

> BTW - for the reflux, ND said lay off wheat and

> dairy.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 02:45 PM 10/05/2001 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi group - I need a little support now <<sniff>>. I just got back from

the pediatrician w/my 6 wk. old ds because he is choking on his saliva,

acting a little off. Well, that isn't the problem, probably reflux, but

the doc. said he has a heart murmur! I know it can be nothing, or minor,

or something that resolves itself, but I can't help but worry. Doc. said

that usually when you can hear a murmur this early it is serious and

referred us to a pediatric cardiologist. As soon as I got home I called my

Naturopath, who said completely the opposite, and so does the " What to

Expect ... " book, that when they are detected this early its usually

nothing serious, just some more developind to be done. DS is gaining

weight well, doesn't turn blue or anything, but geez I'm worried! Anybody

had any experience with intant heart murmurs?

>

>Is a murmur a contraindication for vaccinations? I planned on delayed

selective vax so far, but this would make up my mind for me.

>

>BTW - for the reflux, ND said lay off wheat and dairy.

>

>

I think your ped is an idiot.

If she has no symptoms that is good. See the cardiologist for details.

Yes usually just needs a little more development.

Watch her when she cries - does she get blue at all -lips, fingernails, etc?

If not, wait to see the cardiologist - know its worrying.

I HATE DOCTORS

Sheri

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Hi

Yes we have . My now four year old son had a heart murmur detected at the

age of one and now at four it cannot be found. It is very, very common to

hear one prior to the age of three and than it goes away. Did the doctor

tell you that? I would continue to research it and remember not to rely on

one docs info.

Michel

>From: Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...>

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>Subject: Re: Heart Murmur

>Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 22:42:20 +0100

>

>At 02:45 PM 10/05/2001 -0400, you wrote:

> >Hi group - I need a little support now <<sniff>>. I just got back from

>the pediatrician w/my 6 wk. old ds because he is choking on his saliva,

>acting a little off. Well, that isn't the problem, probably reflux, but

>the doc. said he has a heart murmur! I know it can be nothing, or minor,

>or something that resolves itself, but I can't help but worry. Doc. said

>that usually when you can hear a murmur this early it is serious and

>referred us to a pediatric cardiologist. As soon as I got home I called my

>Naturopath, who said completely the opposite, and so does the " What to

>Expect ... " book, that when they are detected this early its usually

>nothing serious, just some more developind to be done. DS is gaining

>weight well, doesn't turn blue or anything, but geez I'm worried! Anybody

>had any experience with intant heart murmurs?

> >

> >Is a murmur a contraindication for vaccinations? I planned on delayed

>selective vax so far, but this would make up my mind for me.

> >

> >BTW - for the reflux, ND said lay off wheat and dairy.

> >

> >

>

>I think your ped is an idiot.

>If she has no symptoms that is good. See the cardiologist for details.

>Yes usually just needs a little more development.

>Watch her when she cries - does she get blue at all -lips, fingernails,

>etc?

>If not, wait to see the cardiologist - know its worrying.

>I HATE DOCTORS

>Sheri

>moderator

>(former pediatric RN)

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[Guest guest]

I was diagnosed with a heart murmur when I was an infant. My mom said the

doctor told her it was harmless and nothing to worry about. I'm now 42 and

have never had a problem with this murmur. Most doctors have detected it

during exams. I've been active all my life and do heavy aerobics 4 or 5

times a week. Recently I was diagnosed with a supraventricular arythmia, and

have been told this is harmless too, although sometimes I can't function

very well when it's happening. I also heard that we all have irregular heart

beats to some extent; just some of us are a little more out of the realm of

being " normal " ! I know it's hard not to worry when it's your little baby,

but I hope this helps a little.

Jane Sheppard

Future Generations

Publisher of Healthy Child Newsletter

Vital Information to Protect Your Children's Health

http://www.healthychild.com

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/7/01 1:05:16 PM GTB Daylight Time,

suziesparkle@... writes:

<<

My cousin had a heart murmur when she was small (not sure how small,sorry)

and it seemed to disappear.... >>

My dd has a heart murmur noticed at 9mo.I have yet to check it out.My ped was

fine with it and said I should take her to a card. specialist to ease MY

mind.Ofcourse after the dentist called him asking about it,then he said I

should go to the PCS......

After the 9m hip x-rays(unnecessary) I don't jump to quick to do tests.

I may just have another doctor listen.I hear you can tell a lot just by

listening.Ofcourse my dd was always crying by the time the ped listened to

her heart! Hopefully your childs murmur is nothing to worry about as well.

Sara

[Guest guest]

My cousin had a heart murmur when she was small (not sure how small,sorry)

and it seemed to disappear....she is absolutely fine and very healthy.

SUE

Ruby-2.4

Wales,UK

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

Thanks for the replies on CLA. I've been using it a few days now--don't notice a great lessening of appetite, but, after I take it, my stomach feels just a little upset, which maybe curbs my appetite a little. I work out so much--averaging about 5 days a week running, race walking, weight lifting, Pilates and yoga--but do not have enough muscle tone to suit me, although I look fit in clothes. I really hope the CLA helps to build those gorgeous muscles I've always wanted!

I went to the doctor recently for a physical and my thyroid levels are normal--4 1/2 years and counting--that's the good news! Then, I went back a week later for a sinus infection, and the other partner saw me and examined me, and said I had a slight heart murmur, and referred me for an ECHO cardiogram (I think that's the name). I wonder if I''ve always had this and no one caught it, or if I just developed it. I know my mom has one, and she's still hale and hearty, so maybe it's genetic. Anyway, does anyone know exactly what this is, what the test might show, and what, if anything, I can do about it? Should I be worried? The doctor said it seems "functional" and very slight, so I am determined NOT to worry, but I wonder if there's anything I should know.

Any info out there?

Thanks,

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Hi Ant Joan,

Many athletes have these heart murmurs and usually it's just considered a finding of no significance. You can go to www.google.com and run a search. My son has it and sometimes they see it and sometimes not. I tried the CLA once too and it upset my stomach but lots of people are reporting benefits from it. The Life Extension journal has published some excellent reviews about it.

[Guest guest]

Dear Elaine,

Thanks for the info. I did a search on CLA, but on lycos.com, which didn't yield too much. I'll try your suggestion.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

I too have been told I have a heart murmur about 25 years ago. Now

the docs can't hear it or aren't saying. It has never changed anything

in my life. My mother also has had a heart murmer all her life with

no problems. My daughter has a stronger heart murmer and she has

had some problems when it comes to anaesthesia etc. She is currently

pregnant and quite concerned. When I caught up with my email tonight

there were 43 messages waiting. It's neat to run down them and then

come back. Quite a few of us have murmers:-). But Mitral

Valve Prolapse seems fairly common with thyroid people. I have had

all sorts of heart problems courtesy this Graves but touch wood I seem

to be stabalizing on just 2 beta blockers daily.

K

AntJoan@... wrote:

Dear all,

Thanks for the replies on

CLA. I've been using it a few days now--don't notice a great lessening

of appetite, but, after I take it, my stomach feels just a little upset,

which maybe curbs my appetite a little. I work out so much--averaging

about 5 days a week running, race walking, weight lifting, Pilates and

yoga--but do not have enough muscle tone to suit me, although I look fit

in clothes. I really hope the CLA helps to build those gorgeous muscles

I've always wanted!

I went to the doctor recently

for a physical and my thyroid levels are normal--4 1/2 years and counting--that's

the good news! Then, I went back a week later for a sinus infection,

and the other partner saw me and examined me, and said I had a slight heart

murmur, and referred me for an ECHO cardiogram (I think that's the name).

I wonder if I''ve always had this and no one caught it, or if I just developed

it. I know my mom has one, and she's still hale and hearty, so maybe

it's genetic. Anyway, does anyone know exactly what this is, what

the test might show, and what, if anything, I can do about it? Should

I be worried? The doctor said it seems "functional" and very slight,

so I am determined NOT to worry, but I wonder if there's anything I should

know.

Any info out there?

Thanks,

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

The CLA that I have is 1,000 mg per capsule and the dosage is 1 capsule.

I see that there is actually 1,000mg of Sunflower/Safflower Oil, only 700mg

of CLA, 330mg of CIS-9, Trans-11 Isomer and 330mg of Trans-10, CIS-12 Isomer.

I'm not sure what those Isomer thingies are. But I do know that these

things are perfectly safe or my conservative company wouldn't allow itself

to be associated with them.

But I have a question for those of you who are using CLA. I've

noticed that after I've taken a capsule and a couple of hours pass, I start

to perspire for a while whether I'm vigorously active or not. Anyone

else experience this? Or is my peri-menopause kicking in just a titch?

Donna

http://trak.to/life

www.reliv.com

Take control of your health!

AntJoan@... wrote:

Dear Elaine,

Thanks for the info.

I did a search on CLA, but on lycos.com, which didn't yield too much.

I'll try your suggestion.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Hi AntJoan,

If it's the same thing I have the heart murmur is called "mitral valve prolapse". You'll have to premedicate before dental visits. On a scale of 1-5 mine is 1 1/2. Apparently when the heart pumps and the valve closes some blood backs up when it shouldn't. More common among women. Occasionally I feel something like a double heart beat or a "roll over" heart beat. Feels strange but doesn't hurt. I had an echo gram, it shows how the valve works. Mine was noticed many, many years ago. It was only about 5 years or so ago that I was told to take antibiotics before dental work (teeth cleaning, crowns, anytime it's invasive). I don't take meds for it - although one doctor wanted me to take a betablocker.

Mona

Re: Heart murmur

Dear all, Thanks for the replies on CLA. I've been using it a few days now--don't notice a great lessening of appetite, but, after I take it, my stomach feels just a little upset, which maybe curbs my appetite a little. I work out so much--averaging about 5 days a week running, race walking, weight lifting, Pilates and yoga--but do not have enough muscle tone to suit me, although I look fit in clothes. I really hope the CLA helps to build those gorgeous muscles I've always wanted! I went to the doctor recently for a physical and my thyroid levels are normal--4 1/2 years and counting--that's the good news! Then, I went back a week later for a sinus infection, and the other partner saw me and examined me, and said I had a slight heart murmur, and referred me for an ECHO cardiogram (I think that's the name). I wonder if I''ve always had this and no one caught it, or if I just developed it. I know my mom has one, and she's still hale and hearty, so maybe it's genetic. Anyway, does anyone know exactly what this is, what the test might show, and what, if anything, I can do about it? Should I be worried? The doctor said it seems "functional" and very slight, so I am determined NOT to worry, but I wonder if there's anything I should know. Any info out there? Thanks, AntJoan

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/15/2001 10:10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, roberts5@... writes:

, I start to perspire for a while

Dear Donna,

Don't notice any perspiration--just a slight stomach upset, as I said. Also, it seems to make me a little tense or irritable--or maybe that's just me.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Dear Mona,

Thanks for the reply. I think a heart murmur can be a symptom of valve problems, like in MVP, or it can be functional, like I was told mine is, in which case there is not a valve problem and you don't have to worry about the dental work. I think the ECHO test will define for sure which it is--I think she is trying to rule out MVP, or something similar. Someone else on the board, I think Donna, said she had a functional one also.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Yup. It was me who said she had a functional heart murmer.

The doctor nor the specialists said anything about any restrictions or

medications before dental work for me. The only thing I've ever noticed

during dental visits was after being given a shot of Novacaine, my heart

really races for a couple of minutes and I shaky limbs. Just temporary,

though.

Donna

http://trak.to/life

www.reliv.com

Take control of your health!

AntJoan@... wrote:

Dear Mona,

Thanks for the reply.

I think a heart murmur can be a symptom of valve problems, like in MVP,

or it can be functional, like I was told mine is, in which case there is

not a valve problem and you don't have to worry about the dental work.

I think the ECHO test will define for sure which it is--I think she is

trying to rule out MVP, or something similar. Someone else on the

board, I think Donna, said she had a functional one also.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Nope. No crankiness for me. And maybe the perspiring has to

do with the beautiful weather we've been having the past week or so.

Or else I just need to get more soy. When I was getting about 20g

of that every day those 'warm spells' went away. Wonder if I just

need to get back to 20g. I've only been getting about 7 lately.

What was I thinking?!

Donna

http://trak.to/life

www.reliv.com

Take control of your health!

AntJoan@... wrote:

In a message

dated 11/15/2001 10:10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, roberts5@...

writes:

,

I start to perspire for a while

Dear Donna,

Don't notice

any perspiration--just a slight stomach upset, as I said. Also, it

seems to make me a little tense or irritable--or maybe that's just me.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Can't say I've noticed anything at all except a lessened appetite.

On the weekends it stuns me now how much my husband eats! And he

has been losing weight. I don't eat anywhere near as much but if

I've taken the CLA I don't miss it either. I've had hot flashes for

at least 6 years so can't comment on that.

K

Donna wrote:

The CLA that I have is 1,000 mg per capsule and the

dosage is 1 capsule. I see that there is actually 1,000mg of Sunflower/Safflower

Oil, only 700mg of CLA, 330mg of CIS-9, Trans-11 Isomer and 330mg of Trans-10,

CIS-12 Isomer. I'm not sure what those Isomer thingies are.

But I do know that these things are perfectly safe or my conservative company

wouldn't allow itself to be associated with them.

But I have a question for those of you who are using CLA. I've

noticed that after I've taken a capsule and a couple of hours pass, I start

to perspire for a while whether I'm vigorously active or not. Anyone

else experience this? Or is my peri-menopause kicking in just a titch?

Donna

http://trak.to/life

www.reliv.com

Take control of your health!

AntJoan@... wrote:

Dear Elaine,

Thanks for the info.

I did a search on CLA, but on lycos.com, which didn't yield too much.

I'll try your suggestion.

AntJoan

[Guest guest]

Donna, I just wanted to make a comment about your dental visits. My heart

always use to race when I would get a shot of Novacaine. I think this is

quite common. It is from the epinephrin(sp?) that is in the stuff, it raises

blood pressure. Now when I go, I request 3%. I am not sure what that is but

I know it does not have the Epinephrin or what ever that is that cause the

rise in blood pressure. Next time you go, ask for the Novacaine without it

and that shoud not happen anymore. Take care.

[Guest guest]

, I never knew I had a choice! Does the 3% work as well to numb

the area as the regular Novacaine? I totally do NOT want to feel

any work the dentist needs to do in there!

Donna

http://trak.to/life

www.reliv.com

Take control of your health!

Tmmw71@... wrote:

Donna, I just wanted to make a comment

about your dental visits. My heart

always use to race when I would get a shot of Novacaine.

I think this is

quite common. It is from the epinephrin(sp?) that is in the

stuff, it raises

blood pressure. Now when I go, I request 3%. I am not

sure what that is but

I know it does not have the Epinephrin or what ever that is that

cause the

rise in blood pressure. Next time you go, ask for the Novacaine

without it

and that shoud not happen anymore. Take care.

[Guest guest]

That part hasn't

changed, has it.) Replacing the damaged valves with plastic ones is now a

pretty common procedure.

Jay

Thanks, Jay. I guess I was spelling it all wrong, now that I look at your

spelling. Is it inherited? I'm just curious because my mom did'nt ever have

notice of that problem until she was in her late 50s.

Thanks,

Susie

[Guest guest]

<<Is it inherited? I'm just curious because my mom did'nt ever have notice

of that problem until she was in her late 50s.>>

Hi Susie:

I don't know. In looking on the Internet it is mostly associated with

children and associated with a fever being the cause. A fever must have been

the source of my cousin's murmur. I remember him from before the rhueumatic

fever as a lively normal guy, but afterward, from about age 14 on, remember

that he was not only slowed way down, but couldn't do much of anything. By

the time he was 25 it was an effort for him to walk.

When I was told I had one, I was told that everybody has one to some degree.

How they determine when it is a problem I don't know. I believe also that it

can be highly subjective because it can only be detected by sound.

Jay

[Guest guest]

hen I was told I had one, I was told that everybody has one to some degree.

How they determine when it is a problem I don't know. I believe also that it

can be highly subjective because it can only be detected by sound.

Thanks, Jay. My mom was born in 1914, so it's possible that she had

rheumatic (spelling) fever. I was born in 1953, so you can see the age

difference. My mom was in her late 30s when she had me. She was married for

about 11 or 12 years before I was born. And she died in 1976. All I

remember about her murmer is that it was found later in her life. I know

that she didn't have HBP (high blood pressure.) That's a fact. Probably

more than likely, she had the lower. She did take digitalis for her heart.

It regulated her heartbeat.

So if you have the time and can find out something, please yell at me. I'd

love to know. I did have a very, very good friend growing up who was born in

1952, that I just found out recently died in 1997. BTW, he did have

rheumatic fever when he was young, but I don't know if that's what caused his

death.

Take care,

Susie

[Guest guest]

Has anyone here been told they have a heart murmur? Today my rheumy

said that I have one. He looked back in my record to see if he'd heard

it before, but he had not.

I told him one other doctor had told me that I had one. Then when I

told my endocrinologist that, he listened to my heart again and said,

" Well, he must have better ears that I do. "

I wonder if this is something that would come and go.

My rheumy said that if he hears it again, he might have an MRI (or

something) done.

Sue