Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Ballady, What is SOB? [i presume you don't mean 'Son of bitch' (smile). My mother used to say SOB - that was her worst curse word.] Maybe shortness of breath? ellen > > Buhner recommends this for SOB, among other things. Has anyone here > noticed a difference with this symptom taking it? > > Ballady > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 LOL! Yes, shortness of breath. Do you think Buhner would have come up with a remedy for the SOB you mentioned? :-) Ballady > > Buhner recommends this for SOB, among other things. Has anyone here > noticed a difference with this symptom taking it? > > Ballady > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I am taking astragalus, even though I have late stage lyme and a previous history of MS, plus current multiple allergies. All perhaps signs of an overactive immune system...........or not? I am taking astragalus based on my current intuitive readings for my body. I check daily on what herbs to take, and added this in a month ago. I was thinking about this issue of overstimulation of the immune system, this weekend, in regards to my own health. I'm actually feeling like I NEED to keep it stimulated to kill off the lyme. It feels like my body has gone into this depressed mode where it doesn't know to target infection properly. I am also taking other things to inhance immune response, such as colostrum and medicinal mushrooms - currently cordyceps, for the energy boost. And I think raising my body temp is a huge issue, which I am working on (also taking iodine and eating seaweed). So I understand the science and logic behind the immune system response - however I feel right now that I am supposed to take immune stimulating herbs to encourage the immune response. So far, I have not gotten worse for doing so. I don't do lab work, so have no tests to show what is happening for me - just how I feel. Plus my adrenal function is low too, which I think is part of the immune system being depressed. It's a complicated thing at times. Just thought I'd jump in and cause confusion! I think once the lyme infection is at a low level - and eventually cured.........the immune response will level out properly. Of course, when in doubt - it might be best to follow the advice of SB, and other professionals. I have the utmost respect for SB. But in the end, I always do what I am guided to do. So far, it's been a good system for me, but has taken many years to get to this point where I can intuit so well. Take care, Jnandna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 In regards to the immune system, i think Buhner was saying that astralagus ramps up the wrong immune response in late stage. of course your immune system should be boosted but there are two immune responses Th1 and Th2. boosting the wrong one will exacerbate symptoms. i forget which is which, but one is responsible for say allergies and MS while the other is responsible for arthritis (these are just arbitrary examples) - it's all in the book. that's why you can get a cold and suddenly your disease symptoms may decrease. there's an Th dominance shift. immune system is too simple a word. we need to be as specific as possible. Steve On Oct 9, 2006, at 12:16 PM, jnandalampman wrote: > I am taking astragalus, even though I have late stage lyme and a > previous history of MS, plus current multiple allergies. All perhaps > signs of an overactive immune system...........or not? > > I am taking astragalus based on my current intuitive readings for my > body. I check daily on what herbs to take, and added this in a month > ago. > > I was thinking about this issue of overstimulation of the immune > system, this weekend, in regards to my own health. I'm actually > feeling like I NEED to keep it stimulated to kill off the lyme. It > feels like my body has gone into this depressed mode where it > doesn't know to target infection properly. I am also taking other > things to inhance immune response, such as colostrum and medicinal > mushrooms - currently cordyceps, for the energy boost. And I think > raising my body temp is a huge issue, which I am working on (also > taking iodine and eating seaweed). > > So I understand the science and logic behind the immune system > response - however I feel right now that I am supposed to take > immune stimulating herbs to encourage the immune response. So far, I > have not gotten worse for doing so. > > I don't do lab work, so have no tests to show what is happening for > me - just how I feel. > > Plus my adrenal function is low too, which I think is part of the > immune system being depressed. > > It's a complicated thing at times. Just thought I'd jump in and > cause confusion! > > I think once the lyme infection is at a low level - and eventually > cured.........the immune response will level out properly. > > Of course, when in doubt - it might be best to follow the advice of > SB, and other professionals. I have the utmost respect for SB. But > in the end, I always do what I am guided to do. So far, it's been a > good system for me, but has taken many years to get to this point > where I can intuit so well. > > Take care, > Jnandna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Steve - Thanks for this info. I will do more reading in SB's book again, and how the immune system works in all these cases. BTW I also have MCS. It will be interesting to see how it resolves once the lyme infection decreases more. Have you noticed improvement? Take care, Jnanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Jnanda, I am also late stage Lyme, but wondering if you have air hunger as well, and if so, do you feel the Astragalus is addressing it. Thanks, Ballady > > I am taking astragalus, even though I have late stage lyme and a > previous history of MS, plus current multiple allergies. All perhaps > signs of an overactive immune system...........or not? > > I am taking astragalus based on my current intuitive readings for my > body. I check daily on what herbs to take, and added this in a month > ago. > > I was thinking about this issue of overstimulation of the immune > system, this weekend, in regards to my own health. I'm actually > feeling like I NEED to keep it stimulated to kill off the lyme. It > feels like my body has gone into this depressed mode where it > doesn't know to target infection properly. I am also taking other > things to inhance immune response, such as colostrum and medicinal > mushrooms - currently cordyceps, for the energy boost. And I think > raising my body temp is a huge issue, which I am working on (also > taking iodine and eating seaweed). > > So I understand the science and logic behind the immune system > response - however I feel right now that I am supposed to take > immune stimulating herbs to encourage the immune response. So far, I > have not gotten worse for doing so. > > I don't do lab work, so have no tests to show what is happening for > me - just how I feel. > > Plus my adrenal function is low too, which I think is part of the > immune system being depressed. > > It's a complicated thing at times. Just thought I'd jump in and > cause confusion! > > I think once the lyme infection is at a low level - and eventually > cured.........the immune response will level out properly. > > Of course, when in doubt - it might be best to follow the advice of > SB, and other professionals. I have the utmost respect for SB. But > in the end, I always do what I am guided to do. So far, it's been a > good system for me, but has taken many years to get to this point > where I can intuit so well. > > Take care, > Jnandna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Yes, thanks Steve, I will do some more reading about this as well. Ballady > > Steve - > > Thanks for this info. I will do more reading in SB's book again, and > how the immune system works in all these cases. > > BTW I also have MCS. It will be interesting to see how it resolves once > the lyme infection decreases more. Have you noticed improvement? > > Take care, > Jnanda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Jnanada too early to say whether i notice an improvement since i've only incorporated 1 or 2 herbs in my regiment so far. does your MCS involve ingesting things or just inhalents? i have a lot of trouble reacting to medications and supplements. i have to start herbs at tiny pediatric does and work my way up. could take 2-3 wks before i can tolerate an entire capsule of something. Steve On Oct 9, 2006, at 1:45 PM, jnandalampman wrote: > Steve - > > Thanks for this info. I will do more reading in SB's book again, and > how the immune system works in all these cases. > > BTW I also have MCS. It will be interesting to see how it resolves > once > the lyme infection decreases more. Have you noticed improvement? > > Take care, > Jnanda > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Steve - My MCS involves ingesting, inhaling, skin contact, plus emf sensitivity. I'm pretty much limited to not much public contact because of it, even with a mask on. I also have allergies to most foods and animals, pollen, all the usual. Can't wait for improvement! Jnanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Ballady - I don't feel an improvement with Astragauls and air hunger, but taking khella helps me with the air hunger. I have been taken khella for years, for emergencies when I can't breathe - normally due to a chemical exposure. It has literally saved my life a ZILLION times. I also use lobelia to get more air in. Have you tried khella? It's strong. I sometimes do it by itself, but also HerbPharm makes a combo with Khella/Turmeric and a couple of other herbs that also works nicely. Jnanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Jnanda i feel for ya'. i was a universal reactor at one point. i still react to many things and had to give up a career of oil painting (probably what got me INTO that MCS mess to begin with). but yes, i'm still intolerant of most foods - i eat a medieval diet (animal flesh and vegetables) - you'd think with all the veggies and vitamins and lack of chemicals i'd be the healthiest guy in town. starting to juice again more regularly as well. Steve On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:25 PM, jnandalampman wrote: > Steve - > > My MCS involves ingesting, inhaling, skin contact, plus emf > sensitivity. I'm pretty much limited to not much public contact > because > of it, even with a mask on. I also have allergies to most foods and > animals, pollen, all the usual. > > Can't wait for improvement! > > Jnanda > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Jnanda, I have never heard of this herb, but I will look for it. Thanks for the input, Ballady > > Ballady - > > I don't feel an improvement with Astragauls and air hunger, but taking > khella helps me with the air hunger. I have been taken khella for > years, for emergencies when I can't breathe - normally due to a > chemical exposure. It has literally saved my life a ZILLION times. I > also use lobelia to get more air in. > > Have you tried khella? It's strong. I sometimes do it by itself, but > also HerbPharm makes a combo with Khella/Turmeric and a couple of other > herbs that also works nicely. > > Jnanda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 I heard about this herb for the first time today, but apparently it is widely popular in China as an immune system booster, and has a fair amount of research in terms of aternative cancer treatment. Anybody else know much about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Although astragalus is sometimes used as an immune booster during flu season, with regard to cancer it poses a dilemma. Astragalus has some ability to stimulate telemerase activity. Although this may positively impact on aged cells, it may be undesirable with regard to abnormal cells. Cancer cells are largely immortal because of increased telemerase activity. I'm not sure anyone knows how astragalus supplementation would work here. Mike jrrjim wrote: > > I heard about this herb for the first time today, but apparently it is > widely popular in China as an immune system booster, and has a fair > amount of research in terms of aternative cancer treatment. Anybody > else know much about it? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 I want to add something. There are good herbs designed to be immune boosters, yes. I want to challenge you though......most of these herbs have been fumigated (by law) at the border and that the residue has many times encouraged cancer to grow more aggressively. Often, the liver is toxic or simply very weak and is not able to detoxify the pesticides and toxic residues from the fumigation. Another point that I want to mention is that many of these herbs are grown outside of our country and in countries that fertilize with human manure. Not everyone gets sick taking herbs from abroad but again, when anybody has cancer, it is more common for that person to be very weak constitutionally and unable to detoxify well. Blessings, Johanne From: Golden, D.C. Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Astragalus Although astragalus is sometimes used as an immune booster during flu season, with regard to cancer it poses a dilemma. Astragalus has some ability to stimulate telemerase activity. Although this may positively impact on aged cells, it may be undesirable with regard to abnormal cells. Cancer cells are largely immortal because of increased telemerase activity. I'm not sure anyone knows how astragalus supplementation would work here. Mike jrrjim wrote: > > I heard about this herb for the first time today, but apparently it is > widely popular in China as an immune system booster, and has a fair > amount of research in terms of aternative cancer treatment. Anybody > else know much about it? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 So Mike, what do you think are the best immune system boosters in terms of fighting cancer? So far I've seen you give A ratings to oleander, B to beta glucan and IP6, and what I think would be " C's " to DMG and Cat's Claw. > > > > I heard about this herb for the first time today, but apparently it is > > widely popular in China as an immune system booster, and has a fair > > amount of research in terms of aternative cancer treatment. Anybody > > else know much about it? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Do you recommend a source / brand for the ABM mushrooms? > > > > > > > > I heard about this herb for the first time today, but apparently > > it is > > > > widely popular in China as an immune system booster, and has a > > fair > > > > amount of research in terms of aternative cancer treatment. > > Anybody > > > > else know much about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 I believe the brand I use is called " Best " . I'm not at home right now, so I can't check. I have no evidence they are any better than other brands. Mike jrrjim wrote: > > Do you recommend a source / brand for the ABM mushrooms? > > > > > > > > Herbally speaking, any of the mushroom complexes are right up > there. > > ABM might be number one in that group. Beta glucan is fine, but I > t > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 My daughter (medullo survivor) is taking Astragalus (recommended by Jeanne Wallace). Wallace says it helps with adrenal health. Are you saying this may be bad? Debbie " Golden, D.C. wrote: >Although astragalus is sometimes used as an immune booster during flu season, with regard to cancer it poses a dilemma. Astragalus has some ability to stimulate telemerase activity. Although this may positively impact on aged cells, it may be undesirable with regard to abnormal cells. Cancer cells are largely immortal because of increased telemerase activity. I'm not sure anyone knows how astragalus supplementation would work here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 There is controversy. People have to make up their own minds. Myself, I use it as part of a formula with my wife, who has an advanced cancer already. If someone had a precancerous condition, or if they were in remission from a cancer...I might hesitate. Mike Debbie wrote: > > My daughter (medullo survivor) is taking Astragalus (recommended by > Jeanne Wallace). Wallace says it helps with adrenal health. Are you > saying this may be bad? > Debbie > > " Golden, D.C. wrote: > >Although astragalus is sometimes used as an immune booster during > flu season, with regard to cancer it poses a dilemma. Astragalus has > some ability to stimulate telemerase activity. Although this may > positively impact on aged cells, it may be undesirable with regard to > abnormal cells. Cancer cells are largely immortal because of increased > telemerase activity. I'm not sure anyone knows how astragalus > supplementation would work here. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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