Re: farewell flushers--surgery tomorrow--very long

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

You mustn't feel like a failure, not at all. It's possible that there is

nothing that you can do. We all just live day to day, and if you're having

those attacks, it would be wise for surgery.

Yes, cleaning out is good, but don't dehydrate yourself. You need to have

plenty of fluid intake. Cut out garlic today. Garlic's a blood thinner like

asprin. It's even possible that you may have an inherited disorder of the

GB, so there may be nothing that you could have done.

Also, Dawn, please come back to us and keep us posted on your progress and

findings.

At Dr. Mercola's website, he talks about Beta-Plus. This is for people

who've had their GBs removed. It keeps you from having the runs, so to

speak. This could happen. Here is what Dr. Mercola says, quote:

The gallbladder serves an important digestive function. It is required to

emulsify fats. What is emulsification? One can easily understand this concept

when washing greasy dishes. It is nearly impossible to properly clean greasy

dishes without soap as the soap emulsifies the fat so it can be removed.

Similarly, the gallbladder stores bile and bile acids, which emulsify the fat

one eats so it can be properly transported through the intestine into the

blood stream. Anyone who has had their gallbladder removed will need to take

some form of bile salts with every meal for the rest of their life (I use and

recommend Beta Plus from Biotics Research),

Unquote.

Dawn, keep Beta-Plus in mind if you should have some kind of problem like

this. Not everyone has a problem, but some people do.

Take care,

Susie

[Guest guest]

I just hope I can maintain for as long as some others that have done the

cleanses for tens of years have and keep my gallbladder functioning inside

me.

Dale's right, and none of us know how long we're going to be able to keep our

GBs. I wish that I had known about the cleanses years ago, and maybe I could

have prevented this, possibly.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Susie, I have some on hand. Dawn

And you may or may not need it. It might also help you in the long run--

later on-- to continue to do cleansing of the liver. I have talked to a

couple of people in this forum who've had their GBs removed and still

continue cleansing with success. It can only help you in the long run.

Again, please keep us posted. Our thoughts will be with you!

Susie

[Guest guest]

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I feel like a failure in a way, but know I have done all I can. I do

look forward to pain free living and I will let you all know how it

turns out. I am planning on keeping the changes I have made in my

diet permanently to avoid other problems, but will allow myself

pleasures at social functions. I do look forward to that. Dawn

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Valiant effort should never be considered failure. It simply means that things

were already too far along and unable to be turned around. Your efforts have

been appreciated, and I for one would have loved to hear of your success in

getting back your gallbladder and liver to the functioning level of which would

be a healing to the whole wellness of your body.

I hope that your surgery goes smoothly and as efficiently as it's suppose. I

know I thought about it many times back in '99' but things just happened to work

out for my particular situation. I just hope I can maintain for as long as some

others that have done the cleanses for tens of years have and keep my

gallbladder functioning inside me.

Best of wishes on your surgery tomorrow.

Dale

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Susie, I have some on hand. Dawn

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> Dawn, keep Beta-Plus in mind if you should have some kind of

problem like

> this. Not everyone has a problem, but some people do.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Dale, you have been an inspiration to me as I am sure to

others. I wish I could have made it, but at least I know there are

people who have, and can recommend it to others still. Dawn

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> I hope that your surgery goes smoothly and as efficiently as it's

suppose. I know I thought about it many times back in '99' but things

just happened to work out for my particular situation. I just hope I

can maintain for as long as some others that have done the cleanses

for tens of years have and keep my gallbladder functioning inside me.

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> Best of wishes on your surgery tomorrow.

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> Dale

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[Guest guest]

Don't feel like a failure...that's one thing about things like

this, if they don't work out, people feel like they have failed.

You sound like surgery would be a good idea, if you are

suffering this much. Stop the guilt, I'll be praying for you!

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

if it were me

i would flush every night or both day and night. and drink alot of salty things

in the interim to not get dehydrated. i would go to the limit and have the

surgeon on call if i didnt get enought relief from the flushes. just my .02

no judgements,

best of luck and health

[Guest guest]

You are NOT a failure. I am trying the same thing as you and hope it will

work. If not then I will have the surgery. We are NOT all created equal ;-)

If nothing else the GB helped you to make some life choices about how you

eat and that is a good thing. I will be praying for you over night and in

the morning that all goes well with you.

regards, Becky

http://www.myshelties.com

Rejoice in the Lord!

At 04:39 PM 07/25/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>I wanted to thank everyone for all of their help and support, as you

>get

>I feel like I have done all I can that I knew to do--total dietary

>turn around with loss of 35 pounds. I am THIN!!!!!!!!!! 16 flushes

>(I am now feeling like there MAY be something to Barry's bile ball

>theory, but won't go there) I do feel the flush is beneficial and

>that it obviously does flush some people's gallstones out, but it

>hasn't done it for me. I do think it has made my liver much

>healthier. I have done 3 and 5 day fasts. Consumed healthy fats,

>taken herbs, Chinese and other, supplements, been as perfect as I

>could be. And yet, the attacks keep coming, more and more frequently.

>I have a sneaky suspicion that MAYBE I could keep going and it would

>resolve, but at this point it becomes a huge gamble for me. There was

>no improvement after 6 months of trying, and e

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear you are not having success with everything you have tried to do.

Not being sure how everyone feels about this sort of thing, I would like to

offer a suggestion.

Search for the emotional cause of the physical problem. If it is an emotional

issue for you that keeps you holding on to your stones, then doing the surgery

will only delay your having to eventually deal with the problem. It will come

back in some other form.

Some things that spring to mind for gall issues are holding onto anger from the

past. Things that have been " galling " you for a long time. You may need to find

an emotional release before your body would release the stones. This was the

case for me. It took two years of work to release past trauma and toxicity for

me. Had I done a liver flush a couple of years ago, I doubt if anything would

have come out.

It is only my suggestion, take or leave as you will. But please know you have

my continued focus of energy for the near future and if you like, I will send

you reiki during your healing process. Just email me off list.

Best wishes,

----- Original Message -----

From: azdmarie

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:39 AM

Subject: farewell flushers--surgery tomorrow--very long

I wanted to thank everyone for all of their help and support, as you

get little support with the kinds of things I have been doing to save

my gb from people who are not like-minded. I had my ultrasound on

Tues and to my utter dismay, it has not improved one bit. My Dr. (I

switched to a new one yeah!) was very sympathetic, understanding, and

compassionate to all I have been doing. He is very concerned about

going on this way, as am I.

I have had 12 attacks in 14 days. Yesterday's attack was brought on

by eating an Ezekial bread tortilla (no fat), with apricot jam (no

sugar)! I am extremely disappointed as I have always had a vision in

mind that I would conquer this problem. I have done everything I can.

My diet hardly resembles my former even though I ate pretty healthy

before. I haven't cheated for three months and in the last six weeks

have not even touched meat. Three of the attacks this week felt like

they happened in my stomach (concern for pancreatitis). Two days ago,

the attack felt like it was in my liver. Yesterday it was a " normal "

mild attack that responded to lobelia again. The other three had not.

And I now need to warn about the stimulant effects of

lobelia/cayenne. Two of my attacks last week I took two to three

doses of lobelia. (these were the stomach ones) It did not work, but

I was awake all night long (percoset finally stopped the attacks)

with a no-doze type awakeness. I could not sleep. So make sure if you

take the lobelia that you can afford to be awake. The one dose last

night did not keep me awake and stopped the attack.

I feel like I have done all I can that I knew to do--total dietary

turn around with loss of 35 pounds. I am THIN!!!!!!!!!! 16 flushes

(I am now feeling like there MAY be something to Barry's bile ball

theory, but won't go there) I do feel the flush is beneficial and

that it obviously does flush some people's gallstones out, but it

hasn't done it for me. I do think it has made my liver much

healthier. I have done 3 and 5 day fasts. Consumed healthy fats,

taken herbs, Chinese and other, supplements, been as perfect as I

could be. And yet, the attacks keep coming, more and more frequently.

I have a sneaky suspicion that MAYBE I could keep going and it would

resolve, but at this point it becomes a huge gamble for me. There was

no improvement after 6 months of trying, and evidence of significant

endangerment to myself if I go on. I have 6 children and a husband

who has been more than supportive and has never once suggested I do

other than I have been doing. I spent a lot of the day yesterday

crying over this and was actually supposed to be in surgery today,

but am on the docket first thing tomorrow morning.

I would like to know if any of you have suggestions for a successful

recovery? I was thinking since the Dr said my intestines will go to

sleep, that they should be as empty as possible. So, I am drinking

organice apple juice with Barleygreen and JustCarrots today and will

do an enema tonight. I am trying to look at the success rates of

being 95% successful and not worry about the 5%. I am really praying

that God will bless me to be in that 95% as I have done everything I

possibly could to preserve my health. It is a relief to me that not

only is the surgeon a relative to my husband, but that my Dr said in

the six years he has been here, he has never heard of a single

complication from this surgeon. I know my Dr personally as well and

believe him to be an honest man. Also I have talked with probably ten

people who have had gb surgery by this surgeon and everyone of them

report that they have had a completely succcessful recovery with no

problems at all. One more question and I will close. On Dr. Mercola's

site he says you have to take bile salts the rest of your life. None

of the people I know who have had the surgery do and the Dr says I

will not need to. Anyone know more about this?

I feel like a failure in a way, but know I have done all I can. I do

look forward to pain free living and I will let you all know how it

turns out. I am planning on keeping the changes I have made in my

diet permanently to avoid other problems, but will allow myself

pleasures at social functions. I do look forward to that. Dawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

You will be in my thoughts tomorrow.

If all goes as it should, you will be amazed at how quickly you feel better.

It's been 19 months for me. I don't take bile salts, nor does anyone I

know who has had surgery. I feel great.

Sorry things didn't work out the way you hoped. Please feel free to write

to me with anu questions.

Debra

P.S. I DO hope you are having a cholangiogram during the process.

PLEASE!!!!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

I completely understand how you're feeling...I experienced similar feelings

prior to my own GB surgery in Sept. 2001. I too felt like a failure, as I am

completely, in most circumstances, against surgery to correct problems that

might otherwise be corrected by alternative means. Just prior to my own

surgery, I could only tolerate fruit...anything else brought on an attack.

I didn't do liver cleanses until after surgery; I'd encourage you to do the

cleanses after surgery on occasion to maintain a healthy liver. My own surgery,

done laproscopically, was routine, with no complications, other than that a

stone was left in the common bile duct. Since you have done the liver cleanse,

you more than likely would not have that problem. Sounds like you've agonized

enough over this...I pray God will give you peace tonight as you prepare for

tomorrow.

I had some minor bowel problems after surgery...like gas, but it was corrected

by doing the liver cleanse. And, since doing a series of colonics, I really

" feel " as though I'd never had surgery. I'd never had any kind of surgery

before, yet with nothing to compare it to, I feel as though I did well.

I'll be praying for you tomorrow. Feel free to email me privately if you'd

like.

Adrienne

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[Guest guest]

Thanks . I am glad you were sucessful. I have been working on

emotional issues for months. I am glad I have had that opportunity

because I think I have worked through some things, but I will keep

working. Dawn

> Sorry to hear you are not having success with everything you have

tried to do. Not being sure how everyone feels about this sort of

thing, I would like to offer a suggestion.

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