Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I have a vitamix and I love it. But it is NOT a juicer. I repeat - it is NOT a juicer. It is a blender. There is a difference between juicing and blending. Juicing removes all the fiber - which allows the body to absorb the nutrients from the juice immediately. For those who are in serious need of nutrients, it's great. However, I hate juice and juicing. I have a GreenLife. It was very expensive and it is sitting in my shed. Blending keeps the fiber in. You can make juice in the Vitamix by blending and then training the liquid once or twice. I love smoothies, so the choice was obvious for me. There is a vitamix group that also discusses the blendtec. You can join the group and then read what others have to say about the blendtec. ar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 This is a good start. I got a juicer, and it also sits - way too hard to clean. I also want to use whole fruits and get the benefit of the nutrients in the seeds and kernels and pits. I will join the group to learn more, and put off my purchase until I've got more input.  " Don’t bother just to be better than your contemporaries or predecessors. Try to be better than yourself. " Faulkner ________________________________ From: Arlyn <arlynsg@...> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:26:52 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Juicer questions. I have a vitamix and I love it. But it is NOT a juicer. I repeat - it is NOT a juicer. It is a blender. There is a difference between juicing and blending. Juicing removes all the fiber - which allows the body to absorb the nutrients from the juice immediately. For those who are in serious need of nutrients, it's great. However, I hate juice and juicing. I have a GreenLife. It was very expensive and it is sitting in my shed. Blending keeps the fiber in. You can make juice in the Vitamix by blending and then training the liquid once or twice. I love smoothies, so the choice was obvious for me. There is a vitamix group that also discusses the blendtec. You can join the group and then read what others have to say about the blendtec. ar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 , I am down visiting my daughter and her family. I am able to use her internet. She has a Vita-Mix which I am looking at right now. It does indeed have two containers for blending--one for wet and one for dry (for grains). The blades are slightly different. Also, the thing I like about the Vita-Mix is that the power speed is a knob you can slowly adjust while blending, whereas the Blendec HP3 only has buttons which you can not adjust. If you push the buttons, they will suddenly stop, and start over from the beginning. The Vita-Mix also has a pole plunger that goes down into the container to get the producer or whatever you're blending to stir things to make them blend better. My daughter just told me it is designed to not hit the blades. I find with the HP3 I sometimes have to open the top after turning off the motor and hand stir the food and/or add water until I can get it to spend. I bought the HP3 from a clinic and was impressed with the fact that it could pulverize the avocado pit. The Vita-Mix is the originator of this type of blender. They have been selling it for eons. They have a mass marketing campaign and the experience. HP3 has simply copied and added one feature. If I had my choice, I would go with the Vita-Mix, not that I am unhappy with my HP3. How ofter are you going to chop up an avocado pit? The Vita-Mix has many more features than the HP3. Be sure with either that you put your hand on the blender top while the motor is running; otherwise you will have food on your ceiling. Hope this helps, NANCY I bought the HP3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 , My daughter gave me her $50 original first edition of the famous Dr. , who back in the '30's and '40's was curing many people of cancer. In his book, he states that the one thing he regrets is that he told people to juice there vegetables and fruits. He wishes that he had told people to BLEND them, retaining their fiber. Dr. was a world-renowned herbalist, who brought herbs to mainstream America. Of course, the Native-Americans were the originals. I would trust anything he wrote. From: Ellis <lellis4563@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Juicer questions. Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:44 AM This is a good start. I got a juicer, and it also sits - way too hard to clean. I also want to use whole fruits and get the benefit of the nutrients in the seeds and kernels and pits. I will join the group to learn more, and put off my purchase until I've got more input.  " Don’t bother just to be better than your contemporaries or predecessors. Try to be better than yourself. " Faulkner ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Arlyn <arlynsg123mail (DOT) org> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:26:52 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Juicer questions. I have a vitamix and I love it. But it is NOT a juicer. I repeat - it is NOT a juicer. It is a blender. There is a difference between juicing and blending. Juicing removes all the fiber - which allows the body to absorb the nutrients from the juice immediately. For those who are in serious need of nutrients, it's great. However, I hate juice and juicing. I have a GreenLife. It was very expensive and it is sitting in my shed. Blending keeps the fiber in. You can make juice in the Vitamix by blending and then training the liquid once or twice. I love smoothies, so the choice was obvious for me. There is a vitamix group that also discusses the blendtec. You can join the group and then read what others have to say about the blendtec. ar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Well, I went ahead and ordered the BlendTec, after talking to a nice lady at a company that sells both of them. She claims that the BlendTec does everything the VitaMix does, but because of the way the blade is designed, you don't need the separate dry container, and she pointed out that in order to have the VitaMix do everything the BlendTec that I ordered would do, it would cost $550, rather than the $400 for the BlendTec. I have a few reasons for wanting a blender at this time. First, we are very well-intentioned in picking up vegetables to make salads and prepare, but two things happen. First, we fail in the execution. We'll get a good meal or two out of the veggies on the day we come home, and then things get in the way, and by the time we get to the end of the stock, they're not appetizing to look at, much less eat, anymore. Secondly, we are soon to begin traveling extensively in our RV, and I'm looking for kitchen appliances with several different functions. I like that I can make cold ice cream and smoothies, and also make hot soups, in this same machine, without having to dirty up any other pots. It also appears that it will work as a food processor at the right settings. I'm not sure how often I'll be making flour and bread dough, but it would be nice to be able to make it fresh, especially because we will always be in areas where we won't be familiar with the stores and other food-buying alternatives. Some places we've visited are much more limited in choices than we're used to here in Chicago, so I think we'll end up developing a system of making sure we pick up specialty items whenever we are able. I kept reading various reviews and watching videos on YouTube, and watching all the product demonstrations, and finally decided that more HP has to be better in terms of being able to pulverize and emulsify things better, and I am happier with smoother soup bases and drinks than chunky styles. Hope I chose correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Hi , I have used my Greenstar HP3 Champ for years and absolutely love it. It does everything advertised and I have never had a problem or had to replace a part. It was well worth every penny I spent on it. It has the twin gears and doesn't heat up the vegetables, fruit, or grasses which is a huge plus in the nutrition category. For easy clean up I stop up the sink and fill it with water and a few drops liquid Dawn; take the juicer apart and place the parts in the water soak. Let the parts soak while you enjoy your juice first. I use a little natural bristle brush scrubber. Within a few minutes clean up is done. RawGuru . com is having a sale or you can google for a better price. Hope that helps. -- [ ] Juicer questions. I'm just at this moment researching these blender-type juicers. I have an Omega juicer, but find that the cleanup is just too cumbersome for the amount of juice you get. And, if you believe the premise that you want to drink freshly juiced fruits and veggies for the most nutrients, it has becokme clear that I'm not going to take the time to clean up several times a day. So, I've been looking at the emulsifier-type blenders, like the VitaMix. I like that you can put in whole fruits and veggies, and it pulverizes even cores. I was just about to go online to buy a VitaMix when I read 's comments: " I use the HP3Champ juicer. It costs $400. It is 3 horsepower, more powerful then the Vita-mix. It will pulverize even an avocado pit, which you can eat. " So, I went to the BlendTec site, and I'd love to hear from people who are more knowledgeable than I am about this. The VitaMix shows 52 different things the VitaMix can do, including chopping and pulverizing pineapple cores and such, and making ice cream and making hot soups. The BlendTec has far fewer videos, and doesn't seem to show the same range. I mean, I'd expect just about any blender to make baby food and pancake mix and fondue. If it can pulverize and avocado pit, and therefore I assume also an apricot pit, why don't they do a demo showing that? The VitaMix also has a separate dry container for doing grains and things. Why doesn't the BlendTec? The VitaMix has a DVD, which, as a complete novice, I was really looking forward to. None for BlendTec? I'll hold off on my purchase until I hear from others here who are more knowledgeable....thanks for your time " Don’t bother just to be better than your contemporaries or predecessors. Try to be better than yourself. " Faulkner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 JUICING V BLENDING The only comments I will make! Or can make. Juicing, will never hurt anyone with any disease except something exotic or allergic. The best part of apples are the skins and the seeds, (not that the other parts are bad.) Same can be said for pears and seeded grapes. The highest content of sugar in apples is " reported " golden deliciuos apples. (that's what make them delicious) why not avoid this kind! So, just a logical conclusion really, ...anything that leaves behind seeds and skins is waiste of apples, seeded grapes, and pears, and the activity is likely to be more recreational than therapeutic for certain diseases. Now greens are different story with some foods,...juicing greens should be less of issue. Usually. But then, you are suppose to sweeten with what? Grapes, apples, pears! So, think about blending the skins and seeded fruits, then adding the juice or water to them to make the consistency tolerable. Think about juicing and blending together! But two things are also for certain: 1) Juicing spinnach, sprouts, greens, parsely is awesome way to get incredible nutritional items in high, high densities. (Just take a raw serving of spinach and juice it! Is there a full glass there?) Now how many servings make a tall glass? 2)IF you are discarding the reminants of skins and seeds, you are throwing out the some of the most complex polyphenols known to man, not to mention a few other nice things! (trace elements, enzymes.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Both juicing and blending are good. They both serve different purposes. Blending you do get all the nutrients. I would definitely disagree with you about the nutrition value of apple seeds though. Other seeds are very nutritious like sesame and watermelon, etc. The reason for juicing is that you get the vitamins and minerals in concentrated form and it is much easier to digest than the whole food or even the pureed food. That food may not be so good in a concentrated form if it has lots of sugar such as most fruit juices and carrot juice, etc.If a person needs alot of chlorophyll for example, then juicing is the way to go. Sometimes the body just needs a rest. Quite a bit of our daily energy goes into digesting foods. By juicing, we can save alot of energy and use the energy for healing instead of digesting. I am not necessarily degrading blending because we do need the fiber from foods to work the digestive system so we do not get constipated, etc. Then again, you don't want to overtax your body by having alot of strong juices like beet or wheatgrass. Juicing and blending have different purposes. GB > > JUICING V BLENDING > > The only comments I will make! Or can make. > > Juicing, will never hurt anyone with any disease except something exotic or allergic. > > The best part of apples are the skins and the seeds, (not that the other parts are bad.) > > Same can be said for pears and seeded grapes. > > The highest content of sugar in apples is " reported " golden deliciuos apples. (that's what make them delicious) why not avoid this kind! > > So, just a logical conclusion really, ...anything that leaves behind seeds and skins is waiste of apples, seeded grapes, and pears, and the activity is likely to be more recreational than therapeutic for certain diseases. > > Now greens are different story with some foods,...juicing greens should be less of issue. > Usually. > > But then, you are suppose to sweeten with what? Grapes, apples, pears! > > So, think about blending the skins and seeded fruits, then adding the juice or water to them to make the consistency tolerable. Think about juicing and blending together! > > But two things are also for certain: > > 1) Juicing spinnach, sprouts, greens, parsely is awesome way to get incredible nutritional items in high, high densities. (Just take a raw serving of spinach and juice it! Is there a full glass there?) Now how many servings make a tall glass? > > 2)IF you are discarding the reminants of skins and seeds, you are throwing out the some of the most complex polyphenols known to man, not to mention a few other nice things! (trace elements, enzymes.) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Apple seeds: Vit b-17 ( I hate calling it this) Pear seeds: A little less b-17 Grape seeds - famous for nutrients / polyphenols Why would I thow these in the garbage if I had cancer or even a virus? I don't know? Apple skins? Wikipedia Rutin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutin chlorogenic acid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorogenic_acid Procyanidins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procyanidin catechin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechins From: Guru K <greatyoga@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Juicer questions. Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:15 AM Both juicing and blending are good. They both serve different purposes. Blending you do get all the nutrients. I would definitely disagree with you about the nutrition value of apple seeds though. Other seeds are very nutritious like sesame and watermelon, etc. The reason for juicing is that you get the vitamins and minerals in concentrated form and it is much easier to digest than the whole food or even the pureed food. That food may not be so good in a concentrated form if it has lots of sugar such as most fruit juices and carrot juice, etc.If a person needs alot of chlorophyll for example, then juicing is the way to go. Sometimes the body just needs a rest. Quite a bit of our daily energy goes into digesting foods. By juicing, we can save alot of energy and use the energy for healing instead of digesting. I am not necessarily degrading blending because we do need the fiber from foods to work the digestive system so we do not get constipated, etc. Then again, you don't want to overtax your body by having alot of strong juices like beet or wheatgrass. Juicing and blending have different purposes. GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Bret Apple and pear seeds and the inner stony pit (kernel) of apricots and peaches contain a naturally occurring toxin called amygdalin. I never said to throw peels in the garbage. I said specifically that juicing and blending have different effects. I left my post on here so you can reread it. Oftentimes, one needs concentrated nutrients and juicing is the way to go to get those. Juicing also gives the digestive system a breather and the body can spend the energy in healing instead of digesting. The body does a considerable amount of energy digesting foods. Having juice only takes about an hour to digest while whole foods take hours. That is one of the reasons that the only PROVEN way to live longer is to eat less. GB > > > From: Guru K <greatyoga@...> > Subject: [ ] Re: Juicer questions. > > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:15 AM > > Both juicing and blending are good. They both serve different purposes. Blending you do get all the nutrients. I would definitely disagree with you about the nutrition value of apple seeds though. Other seeds are very nutritious like sesame and watermelon, etc. The reason for juicing is that you get the vitamins and minerals in concentrated form and it is much easier to digest than the whole food or even the pureed food. That food may not be so good in a concentrated form if it has lots of sugar such as most fruit juices and carrot juice, etc.If a person needs alot of chlorophyll for example, then juicing is the way to go. Sometimes the body just needs a rest. Quite a bit of our daily energy goes into digesting foods. By juicing, we can save alot of energy and use the energy for healing instead of digesting. I am not necessarily degrading blending because we do need the fiber from foods to work the digestive system so we do not get constipated, etc. Then > again, you don't want to overtax your body by having alot of strong juices like beet or wheatgrass. Juicing and blending have different purposes. > > GB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 GB, What is wrong with strong juice like wheat grass? I take it quite often. > > > > > > From: Guru K <greatyoga@> > > Subject: [ ] Re: Juicer questions. > > > > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:15 AM > > > > Both juicing and blending are good. They both serve different purposes. Blending you do get all the nutrients. I would definitely disagree with you about the nutrition value of apple seeds though. Other seeds are very nutritious like sesame and watermelon, etc. The reason for juicing is that you get the vitamins and minerals in concentrated form and it is much easier to digest than the whole food or even the pureed food. That food may not be so good in a concentrated form if it has lots of sugar such as most fruit juices and carrot juice, etc.If a person needs alot of chlorophyll for example, then juicing is the way to go. Sometimes the body just needs a rest. Quite a bit of our daily energy goes into digesting foods. By juicing, we can save alot of energy and use the energy for healing instead of digesting. I am not necessarily degrading blending because we do need the fiber from foods to work the digestive system so we do not get constipated, etc. Then > > again, you don't want to overtax your body by having alot of strong juices like beet or wheatgrass. Juicing and blending have different purposes. > > > > GB > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I agree! Nothing wrong with wheatgrass, I know sometimes the raw chlorophyll is harder to digest. Bret > >Apple seeds: Vit b-17 ( I hate calling it this) >Pear seeds: A little less b-17 >Grape seeds - famous for nutrients / polyphenols > >Why would I thow these in the garbage if I had cancer or even a virus? I don't know? > >Apple skins? > >Wikipedia >Rutin, http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Rutin >chlorogenic acid http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Chlorogenic_ acid >Procyanidins http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Procyanidin >catechin, http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Catechins > > > > > > > > From: Guru K <greatyoga@> > > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:15 AM > > > > Both juicing and blending are good. They both serve different purposes. Blending you do get all the nutrients. I would definitely disagree with you about the nutrition value of apple seeds though. Other seeds are very nutritious like sesame and watermelon, etc. The reason for juicing is that you get the vitamins and minerals in concentrated form and it is much easier to digest than the whole food or even the pureed food. That food may not be so good in a concentrated form if it has lots of sugar such as most fruit juices and carrot juice, etc.If a person needs alot of chlorophyll for example, then juicing is the way to go. Sometimes the body just needs a rest. Quite a bit of our daily energy goes into digesting foods. By juicing, we can save alot of energy and use the energy for healing instead of digesting. I am not necessarily degrading blending because we do need the fiber from foods to work the digestive system so we do not get constipated, etc. Then > > again, you don't want to overtax your body by having alot of strong juices like beet or wheatgrass. Juicing and blending have different purposes. > > > > GB > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 , I never said there was anything wrong with wheatgrass juice. I did say that no one should take " alot " of it. It is very strong stuff. GB > > GB, > > What is wrong with strong juice like wheat grass? I take it quite often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 what constitutes 'a lot'? how can one determine excess or deficiency for one's own system? that would b quite useful info for anyone, actually! kelvin via cell On 7/16/09, Guru K <greatyoga@...> wrote: > , > > I never said there was anything wrong with wheatgrass juice. I did say that > no one should take " alot " of it. It is very strong stuff. > > GB > > >> >> GB, >> >> What is wrong with strong juice like wheat grass? I take it quite often. > > > -- Kelvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Everyone is different and has a different metabolism but 6 ounces or more would be way too much for almost anyone. Black pepper is a good healing spice but I would not recommend an ounce of it to anyone. GB > >> > >> GB, > >> > >> What is wrong with strong juice like wheat grass? I take it quite often. > > > > > > > > > -- > Kelvin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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