Re: wheat grass powder

[Guest guest]

Thank you, very much for the link to this website! I've discovered that this

product does come in caps, now. So that dilemma is solved. However, the

website you suggested has lots of resources and I love the the CAP-M-QUICK,

which may be very useful for other things.

Thanks, again!

D'Ann

>

> I do not know about this paticular product that you are unable to keep down

but have you considered making your own capsules with it? I have not personally

ordered from this company but the information was passed along to me by a

friend. I do not know if this will even work for your product but I hope it

helps with your situation.

>

> CAP-M-QUIK Capsule Filler COMPLETE KIT- Filler, Tamper & 1000 Empty Vegetarian

Caps can be found at http://www.greenherbcafe.com/

>

> This Kit includes: •The Cap-M-Quik Capsule Filling Machine •The Cap-M-Quik

Optional Tamper to pack herbs into the capsules •1000 Empty Vegetarian Capsules

>

> With Cap-M-Quik it's easy to turn powders into easy to swallow capsules. Fill

your capsules with any powdered herbs, food supplements, vitamins, oils, or your

own custom formulas. This is an economical and convenient way to take strong

tasting herbs and avoid table binders and fillers which are commonly added to

store-bought herbs. These Empty Vegetarian Capsules are 100% Vegetarian. They

are suitable for all cultural, religious, and vegetarian dietary requirements.

They are Kosher certified, preservative free and compatible with all natural

health products. No starch, sugar, corn, soy, wheat, or dairy.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the suggestion, Bobby. If you're asking me about trying a product

called 'pure synergy', no I haven't. I have to be excrutiatingly careful of how

I spend on stuff, and so I did a LOT of research on ingredients before deciding

what to try.

If you are asking me if I understand the synergy of using fresh,whole foods and

trying the fresh-made green drinks at home, yes I have. I do make blended green

smoothies - though not everyday. For reasons I don't yet understand, I have

developed a pickier palate than I used to have. And when something doesn't sit

right with my tastebuds, instead of just having a 'yuk' reaction, my whole body

has an 'OMG, NO WAY!!' reaction. It isn't fun, believe me. And I am exceedinly

willing to accommodate new flavors and acquire new tastes.

Also, blending up greens and fruits into a smoothie can be difficult if the

budget doesn't allow for the volume needed. So, sometimes I eat the food,

sometimes I blend the food, and I'm coping now with new and unexpected taste

reactions. I'm thinking this has something to do with more than taste. It's

really that severe.

In which case, I'm not sure I SHOULD be taking the green powder mixes, at all.

In this case, getting the capsule machine and trying it out with the products I

already have on hand, will tell me whether that negative response will also

happen even if I don't actually taste it. If the filled capsules do the trick,

there's one more reason I want to use the green powders: ingredients.

Seriously, there is no way I could possibly find, acquire and consume all the

ingredients in these mixes, and they are all really awesomely good ingredients.

I take as evidence of how powerfully healthy these mixes are the results I got

when I was able to just blend them up with grapejuice and fruit and slug them

down.

I want that degree of nutrition, only available to me in this form, again! I'm

telling you, it took healthy to a level I had never experience before, and had

my family and docs all wanting to know what in the world I was doing!

I figured then, and still do, that an seriously ill and depleted body needs all

the nutrition it can get. And these are powdered whole foods. I'm all about

the synergy of whole foods over extracts and single nutrients. I do use some

single nutrients, but I would need less - if any - if I could use the powdered

green mix. And that would save me some money.

Heh Prolly more info than you wanted! STill, I didn't even try it until I had

figured all that out, so getting such a great response was validation. Having

it suddenly reverse was maddening. I was kinda hoping someone else was familiar

with this experience and could enlighten me.

As it is, I'm happy to try filling the capsules to sidestep the issue. If it

isn't flavor, but some negative response to an ingredient, then the capsules

won't help. And I'll prolly be miserable until the stuff is out of my system.

But, then I'll know I just can't take it and move on. If I can take it, I

really want it.

D'Ann

>

> dear d'ann

>

> have you tried pure synergy?i know vitamineral green is fantastic but the best

thing to do is make your own green drink.

> im not sure of your situation but theres an excellent book by bill henderson

for cancer ,check it out.got alot of immune builders for example oncolyn,rm 10

> etc

>

> take care

>

> bobby

[Guest guest]

hi kelvin

hope you well,im interested to know what changes you have made regarding your

health?

kind regards

bobby

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Kelvin wrote:

...I turned my health around and too deep proactive measures about less than a

year ago (11/08)..........

[Guest guest]

Bobby, thanks for clearing up that little misunderstanding. LOL I am not

familiar with many of the prepared 'healthfood' brands. Nearly all of my

efforts at improving the diet have been the 'home-grown' kind of changes, not

the prepackaged kind. And there's a lot more available today, than there was

back in the late '70s and '80s! Now that I'm doing this again, it's quite

bewildering. Eh, but it tends to be cheaper to keep to the 'do-it-myself' kinds

of changes. I love convenience products, and there's no way I could make

something like a superfood powder or substitute myself, but I really don't keep

up with what's out there. I try to avoid prepackaged and processed foods - even

those labeled 'health foods' - because there are always issues to be concerned

about regarding mass production of food. Another reason I really like Jameth

Sheridan's Health Force Nutritionals. It matters how stuff is produced and

where it comes from and how it's grown.

I'll be most interested if you ever find a green powder you like. *g*

Yes, I was diagnosed with IDC and had a simple bilateral mastectomy on March 31,

no allopathic treatment after or before. Triple Neg, high proliferation on the

final path report.

The bc discussion group I was on before surgery ripped my skin off, when I

discussed alternative approaches. Predicted a horrible death would result from

abandoning chemo - as if death by chemo would be any better! Those ladies were

so enthralled to their fear, they couldn't bear to have me mention departures

from their own chosen paths.

I found other support groups, and still look for them. I am new to this group,

and love what I've found here. I am familiar with some of the folks here from

other groups I'm in.

I don't much cotton to making critical decisions based on fear.

Not even my decision to have the surgery was as much out of fear as from being

convinced that the tumor was overburdening my body's ability to cope. (The only

recognizable symptom was the lump, until the month immediately before surgery.

I was really 'ill', sleeping constantly and didn't want to eat.) The final path

report mentions necrosis, so I'm wondering if the changes I'd already made,

prior to dx, were enabling my body to fight back, as well as causing those last

symptoms before surgery.

I've been so busy focusing on restoring health, in general, that I haven't

looked into it. It could be that, if I had been better informed and more

prepared, I could have avoided the surgery altogether and my body would have

taken care of the whole cancer thang without surgery. I know of women who have

taken this route and done well.

I did believe that the surgery would give me some time away from crisis

mentality (mine and everyone else's) to make necessary, health-promoting

decisions. I am so grateful that I had that option. If things had been more

complex, that choice might have been closed to me.

Onco had a snit and fired me before surgery. Onco surgeon is very kind and

respectful and scared silly for me, but since he is respectful of my fully

informed choice to take personal responsibility for my decisions, he asked to

continue to 'follow' me. He's a sweet guy who either plays ignorant of anything

outside his specialty to be on the safe side of legal issues, or truly without a

clue. Still, a fab surgeon and a kind physician.

Groups like this one are very important to me now, not just for support but for

information. I don't have the income to work directly with a health care

provider that isn't covered by my estranged husband's insurance (don't know how

long I'll have that) and/or Medicare. I've been on disability for other health

issues for 7 years, and am grateful for the income I do have. But, as I said, I

have to be excrutiatingly careful of how I spend it. Being disabled has taught

me patience with myself. It has also taught me to be more frugal and very

deliberate in my decisions and purchases. Not at all bad things to learn! *g*

D'Ann

>

> dear d 'ann

>

> only a pleasure,and i loved hearing all your information.

> pure synergy is a brand,check it out

www.thesynergycompany.com/pages/pure-synergy.html

> ive also tried all the green drinks and also hate most of them...lol.....if i

come across one i really like ill let you know.

> are you suffering with cancer?

>

> kind regards

> bobby

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Bobby!

I'm starting on MMS, right now, and will shortly be starting Oleander Soup. I

don't want to put too many irons in the fire all at once.

I'm not convinced that the sodium bicarb IV is a good idea for me, but even if I

did I don't think it's in my budget. I've read quite a bit about it, but I'm

not convinced. I wonder if anyone here has had an experience with this remedy

and can share it with us?

I pretty much stick with what has the least chance of harming me in the process

of helping me. As far as I can tell, the MMS fits that description - and it's

not expensive.

The same holds true of the Oleander Soup - homemade version of Sutherlandia OPC.

If I could, I'd order the OPC, as I think the combination of the two varieties

of oleander in that formula is a great idea. Since that's not an option, the

homemade soup will do.

I'd also like to get some colloidal silver, but that's not in the budget just

yet. And Pao d'Arco is on the list somewhere. *g*

But what I've read so far about sodium bicarb, hydrogen peroxide, and the like

leave me with a sense of unease. I've only been doing this kind of research for

the past few months, so safer remedies are much higher on the list. The jury's

out on the others.

D'Ann

[Guest guest]

Take MMS with lots of mineral salts.

I'm starting on MMS, right now.........

[Guest guest]

Dear D'Ann:

 

Wise lady! I had a stroke from I.V. ozone back in February caused by a hole in

my heart (I didn't know I had this birth defect until I was taken to the

hospital in an ambulance). Of course, few people know about ozone and holes in

the heart. But while in the hyberbaric chamber being treated for the stroke

(they weren't sure I'd have full movement on my right side), I was told by the

nurses and techs that they had a rash of patients coming into emergency with

embolisms from hydrogen peroxide. Yacks!!! Some people have blamed me for the

stroke, saying " there is no way ozone isn't safe if applied properly with the

right equipment. BUT, my ozone machine was approved by a top ozone expert in the

U.S., so what are you to believe?

 

In addition, I wasn't told about taking potassium SEPARATE from taking cesium

choloride, and ended up with dangerously low potassium, which took three months

of weekly blood draws to get back into normal ranges.

 

Yes, play it safe.

 

Dorr

i, 7/17/09, D' Ann <angelport@...> wrote:

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Bobby!

I'm starting on MMS, right now, and will shortly be starting Oleander Soup. I

don't want to put too many irons in the fire all at once.

I'm not convinced that the sodium bicarb IV is a good idea for me, but even if I

did I don't think it's in my budget. I've read quite a bit about it, but I'm not

convinced. I wonder if anyone here has had an experience with this remedy and

can share it with us?

I pretty much stick with what has the least chance of harming me in the process

of helping me. As far as I can tell, the MMS fits that description - and it's

not expensive.

The same holds true of the Oleander Soup - homemade version of Sutherlandia OPC.

If I could, I'd order the OPC, as I think the combination of the two varieties

of oleander in that formula is a great idea. Since that's not an option, the

homemade soup will do.

I'd also like to get some colloidal silver, but that's not in the budget just

yet. And Pao d'Arco is on the list somewhere. *g*

But what I've read so far about sodium bicarb, hydrogen peroxide, and the like

leave me with a sense of unease. I've only been doing this kind of research for

the past few months, so safer remedies are much higher on the list. The jury's

out on the others.

D'Ann

[Guest guest]

D'Ann:

 

I am going to explore oleander soup too. I am impressed with the green powders

as well, and forgot all about Pure Synergy, which I took years ago when I was

diagnosed with terminal cancer.

 

There are two ingredients which concern me--eleuthro and licorice, which I have

been told to avoid because of estrogen promotion, but I wonder if it is in small

enough amounts to not be too bad? There is SO much good stuff in Pure Synergy.

Of course, it does have mushrooms in them, which O. Young and

Cousens claim CAUSE cancer, but mushrooms have been used for 5,000 years by the

Chinese. Who am I too believe? I think I'll go with the Chinese. I used tons of

them back in 1994/95 when I was " terminal. "

 

I have been advised to loosen up a bit and to not follow ONE protocol so

rigidly. This has helped me tremendously this week. I had small bites of

strawberries and orange sections from the salad bar at the hospital. I ended up

eating TWO salads for lunch. Eating 100% raw this week has been effortless.

 

Here is a delicious Kale chips recipe I devised from an expensive version from

the health food store. It costs about $2.50 versus $7.00 at the store and mine

were much better (if I may brag).

 

's Kale Chips Recipe:

 

Take one head of organic Kale and cut out ribs and spine from leaves. Cut up in

small-to-medium pieces in a large bowl.

 

Add 1 teaspoon salt to Kale and massage leaves with fingers. Rest on counter for

5-10 minutes until wilted.

 

Add juice of 1 large lemon

 

Add 2-4 Tablespoons raw tahini to Kale mixture and spices (I liked the fresh

Rosemary I bought at the healh food store, but I have a basil plant I bought at

Trader Joe's and I will try this for my next batch) and mix in well with spoon.

 

Dump 1/4 cup Candida-free nutritional yeast into bowl and stir well.

 

Optional: 1/4 - 1 teaspoon cayenne pepper (I like hot things)

 

Dehydrate for 2-3 hours until crispy at 115 degrees. Yummy! I ate the whole bowl

in one sitting with some nori wraps.

 

[Guest guest]

- " D' Ann " <angelport@...> wrote:

>

I'm starting on MMS, right now, and will shortly be starting Oleander

Soup. I don't want to put too many irons in the fire all at once.

>I'm not convinced that the sodium bicarb IV is a good idea for me... I'd also

like to get some colloidal silver, but that's not in the

budget just yet. And Pao d'Arco is on the list somewhere.....

>

D Ann, it does get very confusing and expensive with what to do and I

have learned the hard way and lost my father recently. Out of this

outcome I have learned alot and would not of changed our protocol but

would of added some more. Once my dad was in the medical system, I

couldnt get him back, it was the worst experience of my life and now

experienced a bad taste in my mouth with doctors. My Dad was also

disabled from a stroke 9 years ago ( probably the start of his troubles).

I have said before on this forum and say it again that MMS is something not to

be over looked and the same about water. With cancer I tend to think that

everything is poked at it and alot of the time, time is not taken to study the

chemistry of our body blood and cells.

The most important part of any protocol is to have a full blood count regulary

and ask for your results and find out about the study and act upon the results,

treating the cause. If you were to sit with what is good and works for you for

awhile and wait for the body to adjust and work and not be tempted to think

something is better and then do that thing for the next week or three.

Consistency is the key to every thing.

I believe your body has to have the most important vitamin and mineral of all,

which is water. That is our fuel, clean water. I recently purchased a book, the

one minute cure, and on reading thought they must of been talking about MMS but

it wasnt, it isnt nearly as powerful as MMS, and that is hydrogen peroxide.

Stick to the MMS no matter what effect it has, it does get yuck but the benifits

will far outweigh. My cousin has just got up to 6 drops and is very ill, but she

didnt detox first, I believe that helps a great deal and I have done that. Mu

cousin in Cambodia got rid of his malaria with in 4 hours with MMS.

Get rid of the bra and toxins out of your body and and eat good organic fruit

and vegtables, lots of. Do find out about cesium (pain

management)...and passionflower and dont forget your protein.

Also MSM (pure) not MMS but MSM, this would have to be to this day,

natures best value, makes your cell walls permeable and therefore will get up

to 90% usage of everything you take instead of putting most of it down the

toilet and your body will function amazingly different. The worst is everything

tastes pretty ordinary but they say if it doesnt taste good it must be good for

you. Gerson warns off sodium bicarb and steer clear of processed sugars.

I would also find out about Indian Herb which floods your body with zinc

chloride. Only three days ago myself and my mother Inlaw had our Zinc test done

and if it tasted like water you were lacking alot, well she was lacking a lot,

to me it was disgusting so I was fine. Zinc is very powerful.

I have also just drawn out of my body a huge cyst with the Indian Herb, took

less than 20 days and have photos from the first day until the last.

www.lifelinewater.com I have seen lots of positive results with the MMS with

lots of my family, yes it is inexpensive and be sure to get Jim Humbles book and

DVD, you need it for reassurence. T

[Guest guest]

>>

i really believe your body can heal itself given the right tools to do

so.keeping the immune system strong is the secret.

<<

I agree with this observation. the trick is to figure out how much

nutrients to consistently give our bodies to make sure it can help reinstate

balance/health. I'd venture to guess that more than less is better for the

body as long as it's easy on digestion. one question i had about this is:

" is it safe to assume that any excess nutrients taken from whole foods will

be easily discarded from the body without any concern of creating more

problems in the body? " I suppose there is a threshold for excess nutrients

as well, and I would only guess that the threshold for excess nutrients is

higher than the threshold for excess toxins in the body before the body

experiences any adverse symptoms in reaction to that breach of threshold.

another thing that comes to mind in taking all these nutrients, 2 actually,

is 1. digestion - i've noticed from my own personal experience that

digestion takes a noticeable amount of energy from the body. i've noticed

mainly from having exerimented by going green smoothie for 3wks and 4th week

going back to all veggie wraps or salads... and my energy levels were at a

new high that i've never before experienced. i was only needing 5hrs of

sleep per day per week, and NOT having any sleepiness throughout the week

WHILE running 2x's a week 6mi each run.... the second point... 2. exercise

is something that helps accelerate the elimination process... metabolism...

and just about all other internal body processes. it would seem helpful to

incorporate consistent cardio regimen (someone please correct me if this

assumption is wrong) into one's schedule to help speed up the absorption of

nutrients and elimination of toxins.

it would seem there could be a fine balance between a restricted diet (green

smoothies) and cardio exercise to help expedite the healing process. under

extreme situations of imbalance - such as cancer - it would seem very

important to be very strict in following very specific diet and cardio

exercise regimen. This would seem to be the best one can do naturally under

our own power. Further measures such as herbal supplements or modern tech

therapies seem helpful as long as they manage to bring the body to balance

(determined by particular biological metrics - pH, various nutrient levels,

blood pressure, heart rate, etc. etc.). It's when the body has help from

other sources (herbal/modern therapies) that the body has leverage to get

back to health/equilibrium.

sorry... i know a lot of this is conjecture (indicated by use of the word

" seems " and " would, " etc.) from what i've tried to express. HOWEVER, it's

only an extension of what we (should) do in maintaining optimal health. In

handling extreme situations such as cancer, the extension of " what works "

during " normal conditions " should be applied in even more consistent and

diligent manner. All this done, of course, with subjective consideration of

never " overdoing " any of the health fundamentals - 1. diet; 2. exercise; 3.

elimination; 4. rest (physical/mental/spiritual). NOTE: that said,

measuring exercise can be VERY objective by measuring specific bio metrics -

as noted above in previous paragraph.

anyway... just my 2cents on what we can do for ourselves (and i think it's a

lot) while exploring alternative therapies to get even more leverage on an

dis-ease.

**

The 4 Fundamentals of Optimal Health:

1. You become what you eat;

2. What goes in, must come out (or manifest);

3. Exercise! (yes, you need to move your body to help circulate and

eliminate);

4. Rest and Relaxation - vacation, sleep, meditation, attitude, prayer,

family, community, etc. R & R isn't just about sleeping you know!

**

Kelvin

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:51 PM, batman <0823749937@...> wrote:

>

>

> dear d;ann

>

> i really admire you.i believe that having the surgery and then following a

> natural course was a good choice.

> my wife has ovarian cancer so i am also constanty searching for alternative

> choices.

> i have also only recently joined this group and the people on it are all

> fantastic.

>

> one thing ive learnt about this disease is you have to be so pro active.

> when my wifes doctor says come back in 3 months i take her in a month.

> when they call for blood tests i call for more tests.the doctors are so

> busy today they cant really remember every patient

> exactly.

>

> i really believe your body can heal itself given the right tools to do

> so.keeping the immune system strong is the secret.

> pure synergy is also a fantastic product,read about what happened to the

> founder mitchell may,he had a terrible car accident and built

> himself up.

> also remember if u dont like the green drink u can add things to it,try add

> a little apple,two strawberries,teaspoon of honey,some crushed

> almonds,maby some cinnimon etc,experiment.

> pure synergy is also produced under very strict condtions so i trust the

> source.

>

> a very good alternative treatment that i heard works well and is dirt cheap

> is sodium bicarbonate(baking soda),theres an oncologist

> in italy called dr simomcini who practises using this method thru iv,give

> him a call if you interested,his on the web or i can get his

> number for you.

>

> take care,god bless

>

> bobby

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>

If you were to sit with what is good and works for you for awhile and wait

for the body to adjust and work and not be tempted to think something is

better and then do that thing for the next week or three. Consistency is the

key to every thing.

<<

YES! sometimes we don't give our bodies, the therapies, the nutrients enough

time to work in our systems. Personally, I have noticed any kind of change

can be recognized within 1-8wks really depending on the condition of your

body ... AND the amounts and consistency of taking in a full spectrum of

nutrients for the body... or any other supplementals (herbal or whole

food). where we begin and the consistency and amount we take in (assuming

it is diet that is the focus of the regimen being considered) really

determines how soon or long it takes for any noticeable benefits to

manifest. Everything has the " right amount " of time to manifest... there

are just some things that we cannot (nor should not) try to rush for fear of

causing further damage and imbalance in one's system. again... i come back

to the idea of threshold. we all have our limits given our genetic ranges

of tolerance for any aspect of our bodies. it is these thresholds that, I

believe, makes us all so different from one another - ASSUMING we operate

within " normal range " of what is determined to be " normal " across a large

sample of people.

Kelvin

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:45 PM, tdudlay <tdudlay@...> wrote:

>

>

> - " D' Ann " <angelport@...> wrote:

> >

> I'm starting on MMS, right now, and will shortly be starting Oleander

> Soup. I don't want to put too many irons in the fire all at once.

> >I'm not convinced that the sodium bicarb IV is a good idea for me... I'd

> also like to get some colloidal silver, but that's not in the

> budget just yet. And Pao d'Arco is on the list somewhere.....

> >

>

> D Ann, it does get very confusing and expensive with what to do and I

> have learned the hard way and lost my father recently. Out of this

> outcome I have learned alot and would not of changed our protocol but

> would of added some more. Once my dad was in the medical system, I

> couldnt get him back, it was the worst experience of my life and now

> experienced a bad taste in my mouth with doctors. My Dad was also

> disabled from a stroke 9 years ago ( probably the start of his troubles).

>

> I have said before on this forum and say it again that MMS is something not

> to be over looked and the same about water. With cancer I tend to think that

> everything is poked at it and alot of the time, time is not taken to study

> the chemistry of our body blood and cells.

>

> The most important part of any protocol is to have a full blood count

> regulary and ask for your results and find out about the study and act upon

> the results, treating the cause. If you were to sit with what is good and

> works for you for awhile and wait for the body to adjust and work and not be

> tempted to think something is better and then do that thing for the next

> week or three. Consistency is the key to every thing.

>

> I believe your body has to have the most important vitamin and mineral of

> all, which is water. That is our fuel, clean water. I recently purchased a

> book, the one minute cure, and on reading thought they must of been talking

> about MMS but it wasnt, it isnt nearly as powerful as MMS, and that is

> hydrogen peroxide.

>

> Stick to the MMS no matter what effect it has, it does get yuck but the

> benifits will far outweigh. My cousin has just got up to 6 drops and is very

> ill, but she didnt detox first, I believe that helps a great deal and I have

> done that. Mu cousin in Cambodia got rid of his malaria with in 4 hours with

> MMS.

>

> Get rid of the bra and toxins out of your body and and eat good organic

> fruit and vegtables, lots of. Do find out about cesium (pain

> management)...and passionflower and dont forget your protein.

>

> Also MSM (pure) not MMS but MSM, this would have to be to this day,

> natures best value, makes your cell walls permeable and therefore will get

> up to 90% usage of everything you take instead of putting most of it down

> the toilet and your body will function amazingly different. The worst is

> everything tastes pretty ordinary but they say if it doesnt taste good it

> must be good for you. Gerson warns off sodium bicarb and steer clear of

> processed sugars.

>

> I would also find out about Indian Herb which floods your body with zinc

> chloride. Only three days ago myself and my mother Inlaw had our Zinc test

> done and if it tasted like water you were lacking alot, well she was lacking

> a lot, to me it was disgusting so I was fine. Zinc is very powerful.

>

> I have also just drawn out of my body a huge cyst with the Indian Herb,

> took less than 20 days and have photos from the first day until the last.

> www.lifelinewater.com I have seen lots of positive results with the MMS

> with lots of my family, yes it is inexpensive and be sure to get Jim Humbles

> book and DVD, you need it for reassurence. T

>

[Guest guest]

Kelvin:

 

You are really smart. What is your background? You are a true asset to this

site. Are you new?

 

[Guest guest]

I love that Kale recipe, (with Cayene)

 

Instead of yeast I am going to add bulger wheat, (because I have it) and olive

oil. Using sea salt!

D'Ann:

 

....Here is a delicious Kale chips recipe I devised from an expensive version

from the health food store. It costs about $2.50 versus $7.00 at the store and

mine were much better (if I may brag).

 

's Kale Chips Recipe:

 Take one head of organic Kale and cut out ribs and spine from leaves. Cut up in

small-to-medium pieces in a large bowl.

 Add 1 teaspoon salt to Kale and massage leaves with fingers. Rest on counter

for 5-10 minutes until wilted.

 Add juice of 1 large lemon

 

Add 2-4 Tablespoons raw tahini to Kale mixture and spices (I liked the fresh

Rosemary I bought at the healh food store, but I have a basil plant I bought at

Trader Joe's and I will try this for my next batch) and mix in well with spoon.

 Dump 1/4 cup Candida-free nutritional yeast into bowl and stir well.

 

Optional: 1/4 - 1 teaspoon cayenne pepper (I like hot things)

 

Dehydrate for 2-3 hours until crispy at 115 degrees. Yummy! I ate the whole bowl

in one sitting with some nori wraps.

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the recipe, ! It sounds fab!

My feelins on medicinal mushrooms are that they should be used with care, just

like any medicine. But I certainly agree with you that blanket statements like

all mushrooms cause cancer are less credible than the long tradition of using

mushrooms to heal in TCM. And if it worked for you before, that certainly is

another reason to use them now. Same for the Pure Synergy!

I also agree with the idea that dietary protocols can be too restrictive. It's

important to be careful though. You don't want to do something that will

counteract the rememdy, and you don't want to create and 'internal environment'

that will work in opposition to healing. I know I've eaten for short periods of

time in ways that would make some folks cringe. But, for me, it's important to

be able to distiquish between healthy cravings and unhealthy cravings, and give

my body the healthy foods it requires at that time, even if it 'breaks protocol'

for that short period of time. Protocols should be adjusted to each individual

- ideally!

But, then, my opinion of dietary protocols is that restrictive diets should be

for the short-term. Knowing why I'm excluding certain foods, and for how long,

means I'm making intelligent changes and paying attention to the messages my

body is sending me. Not everyone is interested in paying that much attention to

how they eat and how their body is responding. If everyone did that, there

would be no market for junk food, fast food, and over-processed food. LOL

Eating to heal and eating to maintain health are two different things!

D'Ann

[Guest guest]

<tdudlay wrote: " I have learned the hard way and lost my father recently... Once

my dad was in the medical system, I couldnt get him back... "

My sympathy at the loss of your father. It's so hard to lose someone we love.

<tdudlay wrote: " I have said before on this forum and say it again that MMS is

something not to be over looked and the same about water. "

I happen to agree with you! I drink about a gallon of water every day. I have

yet to hear a convincing reason not to try the MMS. I particularly like that it

isn't a narrow-target remedy, but benefits the entire body.

<tdudlay wrote: " The most important part of any protocol is to have a full blood

count regularly and ask for your results and find out about the study and act

upon the results, treating the cause. "

Well, should I find a health practitioner that my insurance will pay for, I

wouldn't mind doing that! As it is, I don't have a clue where to find that

person and there's no way I could pay for that kind of thing once, never mind on

a regular basis.

Another thing, though, is that tests and scans are highly fallible - as are the

humans involved with the labs and the interpreting of the results. Having the

tests, of any kind, done can be emotionally traumatic, leaving one entirely

devasted even if the outcome is favorable. So, my inclination is to avoid them

unless I have symptom that defies time and effort to remedy and requires tests

for comprehension. Even then, the response is not assumed. As I said before, I

don't like making decisions based on fear. And I avoid creating situations that

engender fear. If I really want to know how I'm doing in terms of my fight with

cancer, I will probably use the test that gets mailed off to test for that

chemical that shows up in pregancy tests. I have it in my notes, but can't

recall the specifics off the top of my head. Right now, what I've read about

all the blood tests and markers, scans, etc doesn't leave much to be said for

them, except that they are sometimes helpful and sometimes inaccurate or

completely wrong. Not dependable enough for me to feel good about depending on

them! And I don't want to put myself thru the inevitable emotional wringer,

unless absolutely necessary.

I am, however, open to information that might change my mind on the matter. *g*

<tdudlay wrote: " Stick to the MMS no matter what effect it has, it does get yuck

but the benifits will far outweigh. My cousin has just got up to 6 drops and is

very ill, but she didnt detox first, I believe that helps a great deal and I

have done that. My cousin in Cambodia got rid of his malaria with in 4 hours

with MMS. "

I'm up to 6 drops, and so far so good. I've been gently and gradually detoxing

for a while now. Taking 8-12 grams of MSM helps a lot. And I got up to that

dose one gram at a time, just like the increase in MMS is one drop at a time. I

started taking MSM one week after surgery (forgot to order it before) and

couldn't believe how well it handled my pain. It's the only thing in the house

for pain, now.

Slow and steady and consistent. Yep, works for me!

<tdudlay wrote: " Get rid of the bra and toxins out of your body and and eat good

organic fruit and vegtables, lots of. Do find out about cesium (pain

management)...and passionflower and dont forget your protein.

Ah, well, I don't need a bra, anymore. And it's pleased, I am, to say that. I

talked about my bilateral mastectomy in my previous posts. If things should go

that way, I'll keep cesium in mind for pain management, but for now MSM beats

the heck out of anything else out there! I'll do a search on passionflower.

And there's no worry that I'll forget my protein! I keep pasture-raised,

organic bison and chicken in the freezer and eggs of the same quality in the

fridge. The chickens are also fed an organic, non-GMO grain and nutritional

supplemented mix that is so nutritionally dense that the grower is considering

eating it himself! I read the info on that feed mix, and there are more

nutrients added to it than there are on my counter. It wouldn't be the first

time a grower discovered that his animals were eating better food than he was.

LOL

I eat about 80% fresh veg and fruit and that's eaten mostly raw. I only eat

small amounts of animal protein when my body seems to need it, and that's not

every day.

It's all about the right balance for my healing and general health, and I rely

on my body to send me those messages.

I tend to steer clear of anything processed that I can.

<tdudlay wrote: " I would also find out about Indian Herb which floods your body

with zinc chloride. Only three days ago myself and my mother Inlaw had our Zinc

test done and if it tasted like water you were lacking alot, well she was

lacking a lot, to me it was disgusting so I was fine. Zinc is very powerful.

I haven't gotten to dealing with zinc, individually, yet. Right now, I've just

put it on my list of things to do. I have read Jim Humble's book, and intend to

look into the Indian herb, also. I'm glad it's been so helpful to you!

D'Ann

[Guest guest]

>>

Eating to heal and eating to maintain health are two different things!

<<

Hi D' Ann

I have genuine question about the idea of maintaining health and healing.

Are they really two different things? Perhaps it depends on how we define

healing health and maintaining health...

Would you agree that health, at its essence, is the body functioning proper

efficiency? Where ideal health is at equilibrium? When I wondered about

what " health " really is - outside of opinion or guesses, it seemed that it

boiled down to the body having enough - without excess or defficiency -

where the body (life) can THRIVE as it was originally meant to... and that

this can all happen b/c the body is at balance.

Based on this definition of health, it would be fitting that the process of

healing/repairing/eliminating is the body's means to getting back to

equilibrium or good health. I guess you're right... maintaining health is

not the same as healing. However, the question that comes to mind is:

Considering the things that we do to to maintain our health... is it

fundamentally any different than what we need to do to heal - besides the

degrees of what we need to do to heal? Whether we are healing or

maintaining, the body still needs proper nourishment, proper exercise,

proper rest, proper elimination. The only difference is that the body may

need varying levels of each factor in order to heal faster than when it is

only maintaining health.

In my estimation, the main reason we seek further supplements and additional

therapies is so that it gives our bodies the leverage it needs to help come

back to balance. When there is an excess of toxins in our bodies, our

bodies are burdened with the process of trying to eliminate that excess in

our system. Meanwhile, there are a variety of other things going on in our

bodies that may need attention, but may not have the available resources to

handle those things effectively. The supplements and therapies that we seek

are means for our bodies to gain leverage ... the result we desire (to be

healed) is only because the supplements/drugs/therapies give our bodies the

leverage it needs to help the body come back to balance.

I'm not well versed in the technical details that some of the members are

better qualified to explain/describe, BUT EVERYTHING that they do describe

is only an attempt to give the body leverage to " come back to balance "

(process of healing).

If health can be defined as the body at balance. Then I would submit that

the only difference between healing and maintaining health is the degrees we

take in fundamental factors of " self-health " and the means we take outside

of our bodies (via supplements/therapies) to bring the body to balance.

Sometimes healing can be done w/o external leverage, but it is clear that in

more extreme situations of imbalance, we need all the leverage we can get to

come back to balance.

Finally, for what we can do for ourselves (outside of supplements and

therapies), the fundamentals are the same whether we are maintaining or

healing... we all need 1. diet (nourishment); 2. elimination of waste

(toxins); 3. exercise (to help expedite elimination and circulation of

nutrients to all areas of body); 4. rest and relaxation (the right attitude,

meditation, prayer, hope, mitigation of stress, etc.).... these are the

things we can do within our power for ourselves... what I have coined

" self-health. " The fundamentals do not change, only the degrees of which we

need to consider/implement each fundamental.

Are the fundamentals of what we need to do to maintain health different than

what we need to do to heal health? Wouldn't you agree that healing is an

extension and degree of the fundamentals of maintaining health?

thanks,

Kelvin

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:58 PM, D' Ann <angelport@...> wrote:

>

>

> Thanks for the recipe, ! It sounds fab!

>

> My feelins on medicinal mushrooms are that they should be used with care,

> just like any medicine. But I certainly agree with you that blanket

> statements like all mushrooms cause cancer are less credible than the long

> tradition of using mushrooms to heal in TCM. And if it worked for you

> before, that certainly is another reason to use them now. Same for the Pure

> Synergy!

>

> I also agree with the idea that dietary protocols can be too restrictive.

> It's important to be careful though. You don't want to do something that

> will counteract the rememdy, and you don't want to create and 'internal

> environment' that will work in opposition to healing. I know I've eaten for

> short periods of time in ways that would make some folks cringe. But, for

> me, it's important to be able to distiquish between healthy cravings and

> unhealthy cravings, and give my body the healthy foods it requires at that

> time, even if it 'breaks protocol' for that short period of time. Protocols

> should be adjusted to each individual - ideally!

>

> But, then, my opinion of dietary protocols is that restrictive diets should

> be for the short-term. Knowing why I'm excluding certain foods, and for how

> long, means I'm making intelligent changes and paying attention to the

> messages my body is sending me. Not everyone is interested in paying that

> much attention to how they eat and how their body is responding. If everyone

> did that, there would be no market for junk food, fast food, and

> over-processed food. LOL

>

> Eating to heal and eating to maintain health are two different things!

>

> D'Ann

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

thank you for your compliement, but I think you give me more credit than

I deserve!

I'm relatively " new " to what i'd like to call " optimal health " - I guess the

equivalent to what people call " alternative health. " I turned my health

around and too deep proactive measures about less than a year ago (11/08).

I only recently joined a handful of forums to connect and learn from others

who understand the value of health as I have come to recently view it.

I guess you can say I was tired of feeling so disconnected with my group of

people when I spoke of health. The gap of what mainstream preaches (with

all the conventional and dependent means to " health " ) and what I have found

we can really do for ourselves is sadly wide and sometimes confusing. What

is amazing to me is how mainstream can be on the same page as the way of

optimal health ( " alternative health " ) by shifting a few

perspectives/paradigms!

anyway, I can see myself rambling onto a lot more than my schedule permits

me to in this email! I should stop while i'm ahead!

I understand this list is typically for people who have to deal with such

extreme conditions of health in cancer, and I'm so frustrated with that.

I'm here to see what people are doing to help themselves as well as to learn

and adjust my own understandings of health. If I can truly contribute by

sharing my own experiences and observations, I'm very glad I can do my small

share.

This group is truly a great resource for anyone seeking to explore their

health. The knowledge, perspectives, attitudes, and the spirit... VERY GOOD

STUFF and what any group should have to separate itself from the

average/common.

Kelvin

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Dorr <dorrnancy@...> wrote:

>

>

> Kelvin:

>

> You are really smart. What is your background? You are a true asset to this

> site. Are you new?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

p.s.

my background is in business systems and web development - we build web

transaction systems and provide solutions for businesses. Essentially, we

consult with people in how to bring their big ideas/expertise to the web

expressed as a web application/service!

Kelvin

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Kelvin <kelvin.internet@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> thank you for your compliement, but I think you give me more credit than

> I deserve!

>

> I'm relatively " new " to what i'd like to call " optimal health " - I guess

> the equivalent to what people call " alternative health. " I turned my health

> around and too deep proactive measures about less than a year ago (11/08).

> I only recently joined a handful of forums to connect and learn from others

> who understand the value of health as I have come to recently view it.

>

> I guess you can say I was tired of feeling so disconnected with my group of

> people when I spoke of health. The gap of what mainstream preaches (with

> all the conventional and dependent means to " health " ) and what I have found

> we can really do for ourselves is sadly wide and sometimes confusing. What

> is amazing to me is how mainstream can be on the same page as the way of

> optimal health ( " alternative health " ) by shifting a few

> perspectives/paradigms!

>

> anyway, I can see myself rambling onto a lot more than my schedule permits

> me to in this email! I should stop while i'm ahead!

>

> I understand this list is typically for people who have to deal with such

> extreme conditions of health in cancer, and I'm so frustrated with that.

> I'm here to see what people are doing to help themselves as well as to learn

> and adjust my own understandings of health. If I can truly contribute by

> sharing my own experiences and observations, I'm very glad I can do my small

> share.

>

> This group is truly a great resource for anyone seeking to explore their

> health. The knowledge, perspectives, attitudes, and the spirit... VERY GOOD

> STUFF and what any group should have to separate itself from the

> average/common.

>

> Kelvin

>

>

>

> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Dorr <dorrnancy@...> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Kelvin:

>>

>> You are really smart. What is your background? You are a true asset to

>> this site. Are you new?

>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Kelvin. Yes, I do think that eating to heal and eating to maintain health

are two different things.

No, I'm not at all contradicting your statement that we need the basic four

you've listed:

" ...the fundamentals are the same whether we are maintaining or healing... we

all need

1. diet (nourishment);

2. elimination of waste(toxins);

3. exercise (to help expedite elimination and circulation of nutrients to all

areas of body);

4. rest and relaxation (the right attitude, meditation, prayer, hope, mitigation

of stress, etc.)... "

And, yes, these basics need to be continued whether healing or maintaining

health. I also agree that health can be defined as a balanced state - this is

my somewhat non-technical understanding of the term 'homeostasis' used in

medical terminology.

And, yes, you could consider the extra measures we take for healing to be simply

a matter of degrees. That thinking doesn't create any conflicts that I can

think of. But, please, don't ask me to believe that there is no practical

difference between application of these 4 basics with a healthy body and

application of these 4 basics with an unhealthy body!

If we consider blanced health as point zero, and illness as some point below

zero, eating to heal is an attempt to reach point zero, again. DEPENDING ON THE

DEGREE OF ILLNESS, that can involve a great deal that isn't necessary for

maintaining point zero.

Whether you call it a matter of degrees or not, the bottom line is that eating

to heal does vary significantly from eating to maintain an established healthy

balance.

It's easy to blur the already blurry line, when one considers that we must daily

eat to heal from toxins in our air, water and soil, and also must supplement to

prevent illness from missing critical nutritional elements in our diet - ie:

magnesium, iodine, etc.

I expect that, when and if I reach a point where the goal of healing is not

longer the issue and eating to maintain health is primary, my diet will exclude

some things that our culture or my ignorance included, and will include some

things that might never have been needed in ideal - or even simply better -

circumstances. That means, in short, that my definition of healthy foods - or

anything else - is undergoing radical change.

When this basic perspective is applied to any of the four basics, then you can

certainly call it a matter of degrees. When living out the differences in those

degrees, there is a huge difference between eliminating to heal and eliminating

when there is no pathogenic overburdening from the norm. All that extra

attention and complication involved in maintaining effective elimination while

healing is blessedly absent when there is no such concern or need. It works

that way for every aspect of living.

Again, this is all my opinion.

ly, I don't think we disagree, Kelvin. I think we just see the same thing

from differing perspectives, and place emphasis differently, as a result.

To have established as habit an informed and intelligent regime that includes

healthy routines of all those four basics doesn't require extra effort. That

effort was made in creating and establishing the habits. And, once those habits

are established, modifying to accommodate increasingly toxic exposures to

pathogens in food and environment becomes considerably less stressful and less

complicated than recovery from catastrophic illnesses.

This is a simplistic and idealistic view, as expressed here. I certainly intend

a higher degree of diligence than this seems to imply, should I ever get to the

point that I'm eating to maintain.

Definintely, eating to heal is different from eating to maintain an established

healthy balance.

D'Ann

" Hi D'

Ann I have genuine question about the idea of maintaining health and healing.

Are they really two different things?...Based on this definition of health, it

would be fitting that the process of healing/repairing/eliminating is the body's

means to getting back to equilibrium or good health. I guess you're right...

maintaining health is not the same as healing. However, the question that comes

to mind is: ...is it fundamentally any different than what we need to do to heal

- besides the degrees of what we need to do to heal? "

" ...If health can be defined as the body at balance. Then I would submit that

the only difference between healing and maintaining health is the degrees we

take in fundamental factors of " self-health " and the means we take outside of

our bodies (via supplements/therapies) to bring the body to balance. "