Re: My tumor is now bleeding

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Just to add my two cents for whatever it is worth.

I had very large tumors that were growing for years I listened to people that

told me to do nothing and just let them be. Well, I waited and waited and sure

enough it turned out to be the " C " word. Years prior doctors all kept telling me

to get it out - but I just thought I could live with it. If I could go back I

wish I would have got surgery 5 years ago - I might not be in the same boat I am

in today. Just my view....I wish you the best.

I am relying on the strength of the Lord to help me along my path...not an easy

path..but the only path I have.

Blessing to you,

ina

>

> As I've detailed before, my tumor started in my lymph nodes in the front of my

neck, and now it has wrapped around to the back of my neck, and there is a large

painful lump on the back of my neck. It wraps around up under my ear (pushing

my ear lobe up) and is also enlarged in the front.

>

> The only thing I've done in the last few days was start high doses of

curcumin, take B17 tablets, and eat about 80-90% raw only. At times, it felt as

if it was tightening up and trying to shrink, but since I couldn't see back

there, I didn't know it was bleeding. It soaked through a bandage that I had on

it in the back to keep my hair from irritating it.

>

> I'm wondering if there may be a boil on top of the tumor, because I can't

understand it popping open and leaking like that. If it is in the lymph nodes,

why would it be at the surface and bleeding? Hopefully there is some way to

drain it and relieve the pressure.

>

> A friend is taking me to her doctor tomorrow, he is an ENT but I'm hoping he

might have some insight or be able to refer me to an oncologist that I can work

with, one that believes in complementary and natural treatments, not one that is

strictly all about chemo/radiation. I already had one of those and I refused to

go back to him. Or perhaps he will be able to get me in for Rituxan treatments.

>

> Just wanted to share!

>

[Guest guest]

There is a new cancer treatment approach which actually is a " scientific, " not

" alternative " approach, based on new research that a very high dose of certain

lipids totally kill cancer cells. There is a clinical trial of this beginning

at a major US cancer center. It so happens, however, that this approach can be

pursued by anyone using $20 worth of dietary agents using a biological trick

involving fasting, caffeine and exercise to get the very high serum levels of

active agent needed to kill tumor. This can be tried by anyone - it's a

promising approach with no guarantee of either efficacy or safety, but if it did

work, tumor would be killed within a week, and the then tumor shrinkage

noticable within a few more weeks. So it is something that can be tried while

studying other options. For more information, see www.ufachallenge.org,

username " membrane " , password " effect " , or contact me at davids@... -

.

[Guest guest]

Can castor oil be used over an open wound/tumor? I've been doing some reading

and I see it suggested for tumors but also a few warnings about only using it

for closed tumors. However, as usual, I found some people who used it for open

tumors, BUT, it was on dogs and horses, lolol. So I'd like to know how this

would work for humans.

Also, I'm wondering if my newest protocol might have been the cause of the tumor

'exploding'? Even though its open and bleeding, its also slightly less painful

and I can even lie on that side very timidly. I haven't been able to lie on

there for months, so its definitely somewhat numb. I wonder if this is all part

of the healing, the bursting open and such.

I'm thinking of buying castor oil today so please let me know what you all

think.

>

[Guest guest]

So there is a medical trial beginning, but are there any actual cases that have

tried this yet? I'm interested in knowing the results of actual people. I read

of some others who used small short powerful bursts of exercise that helped

speed their healing, I'm thinking from the " good chemicals " that exercise

creates and pumps through your body. That sounds almost similar to what you're

proposing with the caffeine.

>

> There is a new cancer treatment approach which actually is a " scientific, " not

" alternative " approach, based on new research that a very high dose of certain

lipids totally kill cancer cells. There is a clinical trial of this beginning

at a major US cancer center. It so happens, however, that this approach can be

pursued by anyone using $20 worth of dietary agents using a biological trick

involving fasting, caffeine and exercise to get the very high serum levels of

active agent needed to kill tumor. This can be tried by anyone - it's a

promising approach with no guarantee of either efficacy or safety, but if it did

work, tumor would be killed within a week, and the then tumor shrinkage

noticable within a few more weeks. So it is something that can be tried while

studying other options. For more information, see www.ufachallenge.org,

username " membrane " , password " effect " , or contact me at davids@... - .

>

[Guest guest]

I'm with ina.  I found a small lump 2 and one half years ago.  I should

have had it removed without a biopsy. I am now in a mess.  I did alternatives

but never completely right.  i did have a biopsy which I wish I wouldnt have,

but that was after the lump was bigger.

 

Thanks,  Robyn

From: ina <leepaulina@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: My tumor is now bleeding

Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 5:41 AM

 

Hello,

Just to add my two cents for whatever it is worth.

I had very large tumors that were growing for years I listened to people that

told me to do nothing and just let them be. Well, I waited and waited and sure

enough it turned out to be the " C " word. Years prior doctors all kept telling me

to get it out - but I just thought I could live with it. If I could go back I

wish I would have got surgery 5 years ago - I might not be in the same boat I am

in today. Just my view....I wish you the best.

I am relying on the strength of the Lord to help me along my path...not an easy

path..but the only path I have.

Blessing to you,

ina

>

> As I've detailed before, my tumor started in my lymph nodes in the front of my

neck, and now it has wrapped around to the back of my neck, and there is a large

painful lump on the back of my neck. It wraps around up under my ear (pushing my

ear lobe up) and is also enlarged in the front.

>

> The only thing I've done in the last few days was start high doses of

curcumin, take B17 tablets, and eat about 80-90% raw only. At times, it felt as

if it was tightening up and trying to shrink, but since I couldn't see back

there, I didn't know it was bleeding. It soaked through a bandage that I had on

it in the back to keep my hair from irritating it.

>

> I'm wondering if there may be a boil on top of the tumor, because I can't

understand it popping open and leaking like that. If it is in the lymph nodes,

why would it be at the surface and bleeding? Hopefully there is some way to

drain it and relieve the pressure.

>

> A friend is taking me to her doctor tomorrow, he is an ENT but I'm hoping he

might have some insight or be able to refer me to an oncologist that I can work

with, one that believes in complementary and natural treatments, not one that is

strictly all about chemo/radiation. I already had one of those and I refused to

go back to him. Or perhaps he will be able to get me in for Rituxan treatments.

>

> Just wanted to share!

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you robyn and ina. Well, I already know I have cancer, which is what

was diagnosed with the original tumor. This new growth is bothersome, but there

is nothing I can do about it other than try alternatives because I have no

insurance and no job to afford to pay for medical visits or surgery. I'm trying

to get county insurance - my kids are covered but there don't seem to be many

options for adults. In the meantime, I am just trying to find what I can do on

my own to keep it stable.

When I search, I read so many inspiring stories of people who conquered their

tumors and illnesses through natural means, but everything I try does not work

for me. But I keep trying everything I read! Who knows, I might stumble upon

something, lol.

BTW, I ended up not going to my friend's doctor but I plan to go in about 3

weeks. Until then, I'm starting castor oil packs. If the pain and bleeding get

worse, I may go to the emergency room and then they will have to do something

for me, perhaps surgery, if that's an option.

I don't want a biopsy either and I hope they don't try to do one, it shouldn't

be necessary at this point since we already know what it is.

>

> I'm with ina.  I found a small lump 2 and one half years ago.  I should

have had it removed without a biopsy. I am now in a mess.  I did alternatives

but never completely right.  i did have a biopsy which I wish I wouldnt have,

but that was after the lump was bigger.

>  

> Thanks,  Robyn

>

[Guest guest]

Detwa,

I believe you mentioned that you were not interested in conventional cancer

treatments, but I'm going to put this out there, anyway.

If you are in the United States, you really cannot be turned down for cancer

treatment. Many oncologists and hospitals have ways of helping those who have

no insurance. Hospitals receive many donations that they then use to pay for

treatment for those who cannot pay. I was the recipient of some of this money,

and I'm very grateful for it.

There is also Medicaid.

Best of luck to you.

ar

> >

> > I'm with ina.  I found a small lump 2 and one half years ago.  I

should have had it removed without a biopsy. I am now in a mess.  I did

alternatives but never completely right.  i did have a biopsy which I wish I

wouldnt have, but that was after the lump was bigger.

> >  

> > Thanks,  Robyn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Another idea I have helped people with is to throw some fundraisers in a big

way. This could help pay for IPT if that interests you....and/or anything else

you feel would work for you. Carol

> > >

> > > I'm with ina.  I found a small lump 2 and one half years ago.  I

should have had it removed without a biopsy. I am now in a mess.  I did

alternatives but never completely right.  i did have a biopsy which I wish I

wouldnt have, but that was after the lump was bigger.

> > >  

> > > Thanks,  Robyn

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not interested in the standard conventional treatment, but I am willing to

participate in two things, IPT or Rituxan alone, and of course, if this is

removable by surgery, that would be nice. But IPT is not covered by insurance -

surely, not by Medicaid.

I used to have Medicaid but I don't know what is going on here in Michigan, that

doesn't seem to be an option for me from what I've seen. I need to make more

calls. As I said, when I lost my job I immediately signed my kids up for

Medicaid and they were covered, but they did not offer me anything but some

program they have for birth control. I was like, are you serious? This is all

I get? I've been trying to find out what to do ever since.

If I end up in ER, I think that will be my way of shortcutting into their

attention, lol. They will have look at my records and make a decision as to

whether or not to remove the tumor or recommend me for some other treatment.

But I can't get an appointment with a doctor unless I have cash to pay upfront.

[Guest guest]

Hi..

IPT is not covered by medicaid. However,you could go the route of a

fundraiser/asking for donations. There is a non-profit IPT organization which

will help you out if people dontating would prefer to make a tax deductible

contribution.

If I can help you get connected, feel free to write me here and/or privately.

I know several people who did raise money through this method and/or other

ideas.

Good luck! Stay positive!

Carol

>

[Guest guest]

Hello detwa,

I can tell you that there are certain alternatives that will indeed

cause a tumor to swell up and burst. I had a tumor which I injected with a

mixture of

baking soda, distilled water and DMSO and it caused my tumor to swell

up, burst and bleed. At first there was quite a bit of pain but as the

tumor drained and disintegrated

the pain went away.

If I were you I'd continue to do whatever it is you're doing and just

let the tumor drain. As long as you are not in pain and the tumor is not

hemorrhaging then I feel it will be fine. Make sure it does not get

infected...keep it very clean.You have to

use your own guidance of course....this was just my experience.

Sandy

From: detwa_3017 <epurdles@...>

Subject: [ ] My tumor is now bleeding

Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 3:39 PM

 

As I've detailed before, my tumor started in my lymph nodes in the front

of my neck, and now it has wrapped around to the back of my neck, and there is a

large painful lump on the back of my neck. It wraps around up under my ear

(pushing my ear lobe up) and is also enlarged in the front.

The only thing I've done in the last few days was start high doses of curcumin,

take B17 tablets, and eat about 80-90% raw only. At times, it felt as if it was

tightening up and trying to shrink, but since I couldn't see back there, I

didn't know it was bleeding. It soaked through a bandage that I had on it in

the back to keep my hair from irritating it.

I'm wondering if there may be a boil on top of the tumor, because I can't

understand it popping open and leaking like that. If it is in the lymph nodes,

why would it be at the surface and bleeding? Hopefully there is some way to

drain it and relieve the pressure.

A friend is taking me to her doctor tomorrow, he is an ENT but I'm hoping he

might have some insight or be able to refer me to an oncologist that I can work

with, one that believes in complementary and natural treatments, not one that is

strictly all about chemo/radiation. I already had one of those and I refused to

go back to him. Or perhaps he will be able to get me in for Rituxan treatments.

Just wanted to share!

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Sandy. That's kind of what I've been leaning toward, although

everyone around me is frightened and appalled at my bleeding tumor, lol.

They're all trying to rush me to the doctor but I just think its NO coincidence

that this happened within the last few days after I ramped up my dosage of

curcumin. I was doing the " atomic bomb " approach of taking 6-8g every night at

ONE time. Also, before my tumor was so painful that I was taking Advil

throughout the day, now it only hurts intermittently through the day and I take

a capsule of curcumin whenever I feel pain. I just wonder what the tumor is

'planning' to do, is it going to bleed out and drain until its empty? That

would be nice! I'm visualizing it draining and the whole area going down.

I've been doing this long enough to know when to admit defeat and get help, so

if it just continues to bleed and it appears to get infected or take a turn for

the worse, I will definitely run to the hospital. But I really want to just

watch it for a few days and give it a chance to heal. I think the castor oil

packs are actually alleviating some of the pain too.

I have also been reading about iodine and just ordered some Lugol's solution to

try for overall health.

>

> Hello detwa,

>

>

>

> I can tell you that there are certain alternatives that will indeed

> cause a tumor to swell up and burst. I had a tumor which I injected with a

mixture of

> baking soda, distilled water and DMSO and it caused my tumor to swell

> up, burst and bleed. At first there was quite a bit of pain but as the

> tumor drained and disintegrated

> the pain went away.

>

[Guest guest]

Tumor inflammation...I've been reading a lot on Coley's Toxins and if the tumor

gets inflamed, they say not to take anti-inflammatories as it is an immune

reaction. I'm just sharing what I've read and I don't know much about neck

tumors nor am I an expert. I've been battling cancer for 2.5 yrs.

Louise

Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.

Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.

[ ] Re: My tumor is now bleeding

Thank you, Sandy. That's kind of what I've been leaning toward, although

everyone around me is frightened and appalled at my bleeding tumor, lol.

They're all trying to rush me to the doctor but I just think its NO coincidence

that this happened within the last few days after I ramped up my dosage of

curcumin. I was doing the " atomic bomb " approach of taking 6-8g every night at

ONE time. Also, before my tumor was so painful that I was taking Advil

throughout the day, now it only hurts intermittently through the day and I take

a capsule of curcumin whenever I feel pain. I just wonder what the tumor is

'planning' to do, is it going to bleed out and drain until its empty? That

would be nice! I'm visualizing it draining and the whole area going down.

I've been doing this long enough to know when to admit defeat and get help, so

if it just continues to bleed and it appears to get infected or take a turn for

the worse, I will definitely run to the hospital. But I really want to just

watch it for a few days and give it a chance to heal. I think the castor oil

packs are actually alleviating some of the pain too.

I have also been reading about iodine and just ordered some Lugol's solution to

try for overall health.

[Guest guest]

You're very welcome, detwa. All those around you are well meaning but you must

do what you think is best for yourself. I use alternatives because I have no

insurance and cannot afford to go to the Dr....which may be a good thing...lol.

Please keep us informed as to how you're doing.

Blessings,

Sandy

From: detwa_3017 <epurdles@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: My tumor is now bleeding

Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 6:28 PM

 

Thank you, Sandy. That's kind of what I've been leaning toward, although

everyone around me is frightened and appalled at my bleeding tumor, lol.

They're all trying to rush me to the doctor but I just think its NO coincidence

that this happened within the last few days after I ramped up my dosage of

curcumin. I was doing the " atomic bomb " approach of taking 6-8g every night at

ONE time. Also, before my tumor was so painful that I was taking Advil

throughout the day, now it only hurts intermittently through the day and I take

a capsule of curcumin whenever I feel pain. I just wonder what the tumor is

'planning' to do, is it going to bleed out and drain until its empty? That

would be nice! I'm visualizing it draining and the whole area going down.

I've been doing this long enough to know when to admit defeat and get help, so

if it just continues to bleed and it appears to get infected or take a turn for

the worse, I will definitely run to the hospital. But I really want to just

watch it for a few days and give it a chance to heal. I think the castor oil

packs are actually alleviating some of the pain too.

I have also been reading about iodine and just ordered some Lugol's solution to

try for overall health.

>

> Hello detwa,

>

>

>

> I can tell you that there are certain alternatives that will indeed

> cause a tumor to swell up and burst. I had a tumor which I injected with a

mixture of

> baking soda, distilled water and DMSO and it caused my tumor to swell

> up, burst and bleed. At first there was quite a bit of pain but as the

> tumor drained and disintegrated

> the pain went away.

>

[Guest guest]

the iodine you are ordering is a good idea... if your thyroid is off

it could have caused your tumors...so by correcting your thyroid you

are on the right path..

On Jun 4, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Sandy wrote:

> You're very welcome, detwa. All those around you are well meaning

> but you must do what you think is best for yourself. I use

> alternatives because I have no insurance and cannot afford to go to

> the Dr....which may be a good thing...lol.

>

> Please keep us informed as to how you're doing.

>

> Blessings,

>

> Sandy

>

>

>

> From: detwa_3017 <epurdles@...>

> Subject: [ ] Re: My tumor is now bleeding

>

> Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 6:28 PM

>

>

>

> Thank you, Sandy. That's kind of what I've been leaning toward,

> although everyone around me is frightened and appalled at my

> bleeding tumor, lol. They're all trying to rush me to the doctor but

> I just think its NO coincidence that this happened within the last

> few days after I ramped up my dosage of curcumin. I was doing the

> " atomic bomb " approach of taking 6-8g every night at ONE time. Also,

> before my tumor was so painful that I was taking Advil throughout

> the day, now it only hurts intermittently through the day and I take

> a capsule of curcumin whenever I feel pain. I just wonder what the

> tumor is 'planning' to do, is it going to bleed out and drain until

> its empty? That would be nice! I'm visualizing it draining and the

> whole area going down.

>

> I've been doing this long enough to know when to admit defeat and

> get help, so if it just continues to bleed and it appears to get

> infected or take a turn for the worse, I will definitely run to the

> hospital. But I really want to just watch it for a few days and give

> it a chance to heal. I think the castor oil packs are actually

> alleviating some of the pain too.

>

> I have also been reading about iodine and just ordered some Lugol's

> solution to try for overall health.

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Hello detwa,

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I can tell you that there are certain alternatives that will indeed

>

> > cause a tumor to swell up and burst. I had a tumor which I

> injected with a mixture of

>

> > baking soda, distilled water and DMSO and it caused my tumor to

> swell

>

> > up, burst and bleed. At first there was quite a bit of pain but as

> the

>

> > tumor drained and disintegrated

>

> > the pain went away.

>

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just want to update this a bit. I see I posted on Friday that my tumor was

bleeding and I started the castor oil packs that day. It is now Sunday night

and even though the tumor is still leaking throughout the day, it leaks MORE

when I have the pack on. It appears to be flattening out - could it be my

imagination? I don't think so. It's less tender and I can even lie on it for

some time, although very timidly.

I had become very afraid of it, didn't look at myself in the mirror, brushed my

teeth in the dark. I really wouldn't look at it or touch it. But last night

before I did my detox bath, I did something brave. I turned on the light and

removed the bandages and looked directly at it in the mirror - and TALKED to it.

I said, hello, I see you, and now its time for you to GO, lol. Seriously, I

forget what else I said, but I addressed it and told it that its days were

numbered. Then I soaked in the tub and did another castor oil pack.

Now I can look at it as I change the gauze throughout the day, and that's why I

think it appears to me that it is flattening out and looking a bit less angry.

Oh, since my tumor is in my lymph nodes, I have also been taking a tablespoon of

apple cider vinegar, once a day, since Friday. It's supposed to be good for

cleansing your lymph. We'll see.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the update, detwa. Sounds like everything is doing fine. I'm glad you

looked at the tumor and are speaking to it...putting it on notice.

Sandy

Just want to update this a bit. I see I posted on Friday that my tumor was

bleeding and I started the castor oil packs that day. It is now Sunday night

and even though the tumor is still leaking throughout the day, it leaks MORE

when I have the pack on. It appears to be flattening out - could it be my

imagination? I don't think so. It's less tender and I can even lie on it for

some time, although very timidly.

I had become very afraid of it, didn't look at myself in the mirror, brushed my

teeth in the dark. I really wouldn't look at it or touch it. But last night

before I did my detox bath, I did something brave. I turned on the light and

removed the bandages and looked directly at it in the mirror - and TALKED to it.

I said, hello, I see you, and now its time for you to GO, lol. Seriously, I

forget what else I said, but I addressed it and told it that its days were

numbered. Then I soaked in the tub and did another castor oil pack.

Now I can look at it as I change the gauze throughout the day, and that's why I

think it appears to me that it is flattening out and looking a bit less angry.

Oh, since my tumor is in my lymph nodes, I have also been taking a tablespoon of

apple cider vinegar, once a day, since Friday. It's supposed to be good for

cleansing your lymph. We'll see.

[Guest guest]

I have read this and the original post but am hesitant to post as I have real

knowledge of what is going on. Just what I feel in my gut so please do not put

any stock in what I say it is just my thought process so something to think

about.

I am like you in some respects. I am on my own in this. I am using what I can

learn thats about it. I lost ins about 1 1/2 years ago and I really do not care

(DH lost his job) I do not want it. Even when I had ins I usually take care of

things myself so often take a wait and see approach which is always scary but I

learn that way. I go by how I feel. If it is draining but I am ok I do not seem

to feel worse then I wait.

I had a bad feeling about something. My breast was making me uncomfortable. Not

hurting but I was definitely focusing on it a lot. So I starte taking massive

doses of herbs brewed into a tonic. I developed a huge pimple like cyst under

the arm where the breast cancer is was (I will not get any more tests chosing to

live by the way my body feels yes this may be stupid but since I am going this

alone it allows me peace) I could not gt rid of it by any means. One day it

drained and drained badly. But the next day the lump was gone.

Right now the drs have almost killed my mother. They finally stopped chemo and

radiation. Before they stopped she got desperate enough to ask me for help as

did the rest of my family. I made no promises but got some salve from kathleen

(I owe you an update) She can no longer eat as the radiation has destroyed her

tongue she was so weak she could barely stand. The first week she gained 2 lbs

instead of losing. She is no on a feeding tube and no more chemo. At this point

she has not changed her diet I am hoping as she improves she will do that. It

is not fast food it is sugar. Anyway she has since gained 7 lbs in two weeks.

Baby steps. Anyway I digress. She has a tumor (she has SCC in the jaw face and

throat)near her ear lobe. One day she didn't freak (suprised the hell out of me

but I told her not to freak if anything happens cause it needs to come out one

way or another) but her ear lobe started swelling and the next day it gushed out

draining. Her tumor has shrunk. I did not check it this time I was there I

should have but didn't think about it. She is still taking the salve and is

walking to the deck and sitting outside more and more often (she was there when

I got there this evening.

Cheri

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Cheri. It is difficult to process when you're doing it alone - well,

alone except for this wonderful group and others! I love being able to come

here and talk about fears, questions, get opinions, when you can't do that in

your real life. This group is a lifeline!

Is it crazy to believe that if the tumor swells and pops open and drains that it

is moving toward LEAVING? I mean, that's my train of thought, it seems almost

common sense. It would be different if it started hurting and becoming more

painful, but it seems when they start draining and you start to feel relief, as

in my case, the pain goes away - that seems to indicate that it is trying to

empty. I hope we are not wrong in this belief. Mine seems to be trying to push

out little tiny clumps that look almost tissue like.

From what you say about your mother, it seems she is trying to get stronger.

Prayerfully, there hasn't been too much damage done at this point, but any steps

toward comfort and strength are wonderful! Good for her for taking charge!

>

> I have read this and the original post but am hesitant to post as I have real

knowledge of what is going on. Just what I feel in my gut so please do not put

any stock in what I say it is just my thought process so something to think

about.

>

[Guest guest]

...from what I understand you are on the right track.. I heard once you

see blood coming from the tumor that is a good sign that you are

getting closer to the root... like stated here .. tt all just seems

like common sense.