Re: Recommendations of a local vitamin guru

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Hello jrrjim,

Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:16:32 PM, you wrote:

j> So I talked with the local vitamin guru, and he was insistent on l-

j> glutamine as an alternative cancer treatment. I asked him if whey

j> supplied enough, and he recommended pure glutamine powder -- several

j> grams a day.

That, of course, is controversial. Personally I think glutamine

might be helpful, more so to prevent cachexia. A case can also be

made that glutamine might feed tumors. Who knows?

j> He also strongly recommended Avemar. But that stuff is pretty darned

j> expensive.

Avemar is expensive. It looks to me like the beneficial components

in Avemar are the quinones from the fermentation of wheat germ.

Another product that works via quinones is Cantron (Protocel). Both

Avemar and Cantron/Protocel are blocked by vitamin c. Cantron is

much cheaper than Avemar.

j> He also said that only liquid probiotics were worth a darned, and

j> that the capsules were almost worthless.

A good, very cheap alternative for probiotic supplementation would be

Rejuvelac which you can make yourself for pennies. It's basically

water with fermenting wheat berries in it. It has more varieties of

beneficial bacteria than any of the expensive supplements.

j> He said DMG was okay, but it had to be sublingual, or it was

j> worthless.

j> He strongly recommended NAC. In fact he said that NAC was far more

j> important than SAMe, and could be taken in place of SAMe, at a much

j> cheaper price.

SAMe is the only supplement I know of that has rescued chemically

poisoned livers from the transplantation lists.

j> But I could also tell from his attitude that he thought my case was

j> hopeless, being stage four. I don't believe that at all.

I don't believe it either.

Mike

j> Opinions?

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Best regards,

Mike mailto:goldenmike@...

[Guest guest]

Personally I think glutamine

> might be helpful, more so to prevent cachexia. A case can also be

> made that glutamine might feed tumors. Who knows?

Yes, there is a running debate about this, isn't there?

>

> A good, very cheap alternative for probiotic supplementation would

be

> Rejuvelac which you can make yourself for pennies. It's basically

> water with fermenting wheat berries in it. It has more varieties of

> beneficial bacteria than any of the expensive supplements.

I used to make my own wheat grass in Canada, of all places. I need

to get that operation fired up again. The weird thing was that I

used to crave the water that I would soak the sprouting wheat berries

in, which I would drink. I guess my body was trying to tell me

something.

> j> He strongly recommended NAC. In fact he said that NAC was far

more

> j> important than SAMe, and could be taken in place of SAMe, at a

much

> j> cheaper price.

>

> SAMe is the only supplement I know of that has rescued chemically

> poisoned livers from the transplantation lists.

SAMe seems to get along very well with me -- it makes me feel great.

It is a bit expensive (about $2 a day for the 800 mg I take) but I

think it is well worth the money. It does several things for me --

it makes my liver feel better (still recovering from the chemo), it

improves my mood significantly (increasing those endolphins which are

needed to fight cancer) and it seems to help eliminate some minor

arthritis starting up in a few of my joints. It also helps with a

touch of carpal tunnel syndrome I have. Few people realize how

dangerous carpal tunnel syndrome can be -- after all, it killed

Princess Dianna.

> j> But I could also tell from his attitude that he thought my case

was

> j> hopeless, being stage four. I don't believe that at all.

>

> I don't believe it either.

>

> Mike

I don't believe it either, especially after all the good advice I

have gotten from this newsgroup, which is literally saving my life.

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Source cheaper Avemar ( AVEMAR this Avemar and CANTRON, this Cantron) :

http://www.medcentrum.com/shop.php?action=show_product_detail

<http://www.medcentrum.com/shop.php?action=show_product_detail & product_id=44

997> & product_id=44997

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http://www.avemar-alternativetherapy.com/index.ews

I used AVEMAR by 164 days( cancer ovary )

Jan

Avemar is expensive. It looks to me like the beneficial components

in Avemar are the quinones from the fermentation of wheat germ.

Another product that works via quinones is Cantron (Protocel). Both

Avemar and Cantron/Protocel are blocked by vitamin c. Cantron is

much cheaper than Avemar.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Jan,

What were the results of using Avemar for your ovarian cancer? When in your

treatment did you beging with the Avemar and what was your original diagnosis?

Any other information you would like to share would be greatly appreciated as

I'm working with my mother how has stage 4 ovarian cancer.

Thank You.

Hugs,

Rose

From: soliserw

http://www.avemar-alternativetherapy.com/index.ews

I used AVEMAR by 164 days( cancer ovary )

Jan

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Rose,

I used AVEMAR as auxiliary treatment, helping.

AVEMAR was not killer cancer ovary, CA125 still increased.

I used AVEMAR during chemo. I use wide spectrum of supplements.

I can not responsibly say: yes, AVEMAR was good.

Avemar has publications and good reviews, It is why I used it.

I test: PawPaw, Artemisinin

In my " practice " was only one composition, which caused that CA125

to decrease:

UKRAIN +German 132+ Oxygen( +Immunocal). My wife does not have physical

indication of cancer activity

Wife feels good , lack tumors and had not spread ( 5xCT... and NOTHING), USG

- clean). Clinic fights with CA125 picture .

My wife's history:

During operation( 1999r) removing genital ways(uterine leiomyomata) one

examined cyst on ovary. Diagnosis: cancer ovary stage 1,

Cancer was completely closed in cyst, wife( 48 of years) does not get chemo. Six

years later 1 return: CA125=5300.

Week later already over 33 000. In moment first

chemistry(Cisplatin+Endoxan) CA125>40 000.

16 of months later - 2 return.Ca125, under inspection( therapy: Tamoxifen)grows

to 6000.

Following 6 chemo: Taxol+Carbopatinin. 2 months later :3 recurrent ovarian.

At present CA125=642.

Still lack tumors, liquid, CT and USG - clean. I attend, that wife's good

form , results from usages alternative methods.

My main advice for Your mother:

1) Most efficient was UKRAIN, but it is expensive. Basic cure: 40-60

ampoules 5 ml. Cost: 2080-3120 EURO

2) Taste new hope: Noscapine <http://www.medicorcancer.com/>

http://www.medicorcancer.com

3) Taste: LDN and DCA (

http://betterdca.com/shop/index.php?option=com_virtuemart

<http://betterdca.com/shop/index.php?option=com_virtuemart & Itemid=26 & vmcchk=

1 & Itemid=26> & Itemid=26 & vmcchk=1 & Itemid=26 )

4) During chemo use cranberry juice( 300-500 ml; also: by 3 days after

chemo.) , oil from Oenothera Biennis( GLA) :

3x1.5 ml (1day before chemo-chemo-( 3-5) days after chemo )

5) Necessarily use Immunocall and activating cells NK( AHCC, MGN-3,

BioBran, AVEMAR, Reishi, IP-6 & Inositol ).

Lowest activity of NK -cells one ascertained in cancer ovary : 18 %

activities NK healthy women. Chemo, additionally diminishes activity NK about

75 %.

6) Use miksture: 1 part bicarbonate + 3 part maple syrup. Whole lightly to heat

up and to blend. Consume every day: 3x1 tea-spoon.

Cancer,greedily, it accumulates glucose(maple syrup)............and in this

case: killer bicarbonate. Accumulated bicarbonate in the cancers cells, it will

cause the her , alcaline reaction, and in effect the death of cell.

7) Protect liver: apply Silybum num and Immunocal.

8) Apply : 10-20 mg Melatonin (1 hour before dream )

9) To apply proper diet: to give up from consumption of sugar.The best

forgetting,that sugar exists. Avoid fried food.

10). They reduce the activity( the risk) the cancer ovary: Curcumin,Ginger,

Ginkgo Biloba, Saffron.

I have hope, that this all will be helpful.

Hugs. Jan

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I've studied cancer treatments for a number of years and I would find

another " vitamin guru " if I were you. There are probably a dozen or

more non-toxic therapies that would be likely to bring your cancer

into remission or elimination.

What alternatives have you tried or considered so far?

Best Regards,

Phil

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> But I could also tell from his attitude that he thought my case was

> hopeless, being stage four. I don't believe that at all.

>

> Opinions?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Phil:

I have been studying quite a few alternative treatments over the last

several months. I was just running the ones of the " vitamin guru "

past this board for their opinions. I had never run into anyone who

emphasized the need for l-glutamine as strongly as he did. I also

needed to pick up opinions on AHCC and Avemar, which I got, both

online and offline.

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> > But I could also tell from his attitude that he thought my case

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