Re: Oleander, Sutherlandia OPC, and Jim

[Guest guest]

dear brett

http://alternativecancer.us/protocel.htm

http://cancertutor.com/Cancer/Protocel.html

regards

bobby

From: Bret Peirce

Not yet, hearing about it more and more. Post me a link and tell me what it is

suppose to do!

hi bret, have you looked into protocel?

regards

bobby

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Tony -- you are the BEST.

I especially appreciate the immediately practical, usable advice you impart,

free of charge, and without any mysterious or mystical strings behind it.

Conversely, I'm a little frustrated with exactly such nebulous responses from

some other members.

God bless you Tony -- I'll contact you on the Sutherlandia OPC group.

> And Jim, I hate to hear you are having problems. Never say never my friend!

If you are having problem with your weight or wasting (cachexia), some

suggestions are:

>

> N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC), can help prevent cachexia and is considered an

essential complimentary supplement to oleander in general by Marc Swanepoel (the

naturopathic PhD who devised Sutherlandia OPC). Other items that may may help

combat cachexia are coconut oil and especially Garden of Life's Primal Defense,

a natural blend of 12 species of probiotics and Homeostatic Soil Organisms

(HSOs). It helps support normal gastrointestinal balance of good and

potentially harmful bacteria, and maximizes the benefits of a healthy diet by

supporting normal absorption and assimilation of nutrients in the gut.

>

> All the best,

>

> Tony

>

>

>

> >

> > >, that Sutherlandia site you went to is for the fruitescens

> > >herb. It is not the site for Sutherlandia OPC. SOPC is the

> > >combination of S. fruitescens and Nerium oleander. This is the one

> > >that is intended for cancer.

> > >

> > >Mike

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I liked Oleander when I researched it!  Calcium pump glycoside. Several

flavenoids (carboxylated,) polysacharides, mineral oxides, and more.

 

I always had trouble as the studies originally used to state its efficacy seemed

to have come from a single source, and all early research was done in support of

this one source.

 

Getting past my discomfort, I saw it was pricey but then realized it is a form

of combined therapy already. Not that pricey!

 

So, i would never scare anyone from it, lots of people are now marketing

variations of this and jumping on the band wagon.

 

Having never used it, I have a hard time referring people to it, not knowing who

the credible suppliers are. Much of it comes from foreign countries. 

 

Still, I like what is in it and am currently climbing out on a limb and buying

it for my stubborn Father in law who would rather die that drink something that

doesn't tasted good to him. He got started so late with SCLC and came to me so

very late.  Then he was immediately non compliant with his protocol, he will

take pills so I am getting him some.

He looks 3 months away from dying.

 

I upped his cesium chloride and gave him DMSO gel for his tumor on spine!

 

He has done better pain wise, but man,  I need more tools.  His cancer is

everywhere.

 

I will let you know how this oleander stuff works on him,....It's not like I

have very long to find out!

Wish me luck,  He's a neat man!

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jim,

I would point out that the group is the " oleandersoup " group and not the

Sutherlandia OPC group, though sometimes it surely seems that way! For

the first few years, almost everyone in the group who used oleander

either made their own extract at home according to the instructions in

my book (also freely posted on my website, in the group files and at

CureZone), or else took the patented medicine Anvirzel from Honduras,

which the home remedy version is based on.

Then Marc Swanepoel came along and began using the same method as the

home remedy to make supplements. Intially, he had one version for

cancer and another for HIV that each included about 80% oleander and 20%

extracts of plants from the Brazilian rainforest (depending upon the

version, it was oleander plus the ABM mushroom, cat's claw, and either

pau d'arco or chrysobalanus icaco - the rid tipped plum tree). The

Brazilian company he licensed to produce the extract charged about $350

per bottle.

Marc later found that his native country's South Africa Cancer Bush gave

even better results when it made up the other 20% of the extract and he

switched to it and later developed a capsule version (and many grateful

taste buds thanked him for that - as the extract tastes pretty nasty!).

After a 100% successful double blind clinical trial for HIV in a

Johannesburg clinic and an observed over 90% success rate against a wide

range of cancers, a South African pharmaceutical company approached Marc

and they reached agreement for them to produce over 10,000 bottles per

month, for use in South Africa. The mass production resulted in

consistent quality control from batch to batch and a much lower price of

$60 for the extract and $45 for the capsules (the difference is the

higher shipping cost of the heavier liquid).

As a result of the relatively inexpensive price and the quality control,

many people began to choose the S/OPC as their preferred version of

oleander. So many in fact, that I can see how you think of the group as

the S/OPC group!

Probably way more information than you needed - lol.

All the best, Jim. In my opinion you have some great folks in both

groups rooting for you.

Tony

>

> Thanks, Tony -- you are the BEST.

>

> I especially appreciate the immediately practical, usable advice you

impart, free of charge, and without any mysterious or mystical strings

behind it. Conversely, I'm a little frustrated with exactly such

nebulous responses from some other members.

>

> God bless you Tony -- I'll contact you on the Sutherlandia OPC group.

>

>

> > And Jim, I hate to hear you are having problems. Never say never my

friend! If you are having problem with your weight or wasting

(cachexia), some suggestions are:

> >

> > N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC), can help prevent cachexia and is considered

an essential complimentary supplement to oleander in general by Marc

Swanepoel (the naturopathic PhD who devised Sutherlandia OPC). Other

items that may may help combat cachexia are coconut oil and especially

Garden of Life's Primal Defense, a natural blend of 12 species of

probiotics and Homeostatic Soil Organisms (HSOs). It helps support

normal gastrointestinal balance of good and potentially harmful

bacteria, and maximizes the benefits of a healthy diet by supporting

normal absorption and assimilation of nutrients in the gut.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Tony

[Guest guest]

Not yet, hearing about it more and more. Post me a link and tell me what it is

suppose to do!

From: batman <0823749937@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Oleander, Sutherlandia OPC, and Jim

Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:56 AM

hi bret

have you looked into protocel?

regards

bobby

From: Bret Peirce

I liked Oleander when I researched it!....

Having never used it, I have a hard time referring people to it, not knowing who

the credible suppliers are. Much of it comes from foreign countries... ...