Re[4]: Green tea absorbs better with acid added

[Guest guest]

I actually just watched it!  I will probably end up agreeing with you on that

one Mike.

I just don't want to ask the University of Arizona micorbiology dept. for a

refund!

 

Bret

  

BP> I kind of thought you might have an opinion. At first I thought I was going

insane though!

BP> You scared me,  " did I waiste my time and money with a collegiate major in

microbiology! "

BP> The answer I hope is,... no!

BP>  

BP> YouTube - Bird Flu cure Swine Flu 5

BP> Apr 28, 2009 ... Therefore we add the extra oxygen molecule to

BP> the DNA and in it the virus dies as it is anaerobic or can not

BP> tolerate high levels of oxygen. ...

BP> www.youtube. com/watch?v=Uc37gdlAzQE

[Guest guest]

Hello Bret,

One more time with this major point, Bret. A virus that exists in an

oxygen free environment is no more an anaerobe than a piece of rock

that exists in an oxygen free environment. Neither respires and

neither is alive. Scientific terminology is specific. The terms

aerobic and anaerobic refer to the respiratory style of the entity

you are talking about. Viruses do not have a metabolism, ergo they

cannot be anaerobic. Any use of this term otherwise is an error.

Also, Herculean efforts at forcing hemoglobin to carry more oxygen in

order to create a steeper concentration gradient are essentially

useless due to homeostatic feedback mechanisms. But, perhaps this is

a point you are making in other words.

And, finally, getting more oxygen into mitochondria might put the

stop to certain alternative cancer therapies which depend on low

oxygen pressure to cause mitochondrial membrane disruption (Poly MVA,

Budwig, DCA, paw paw, etc.), some by suppressing respiration and some

by " revving " it up.

Even when these types of therapy are not being used, increasing oxygen pressures

in the

mitochondria probably (no evidence I've seen) won't change the

situation much once the pathology is established. Oncogenesis has

already, likely, started a mutageic cascade that prevents reversal.

Mike

Sunday, July 26, 2009, 9:07:40 AM, you wrote:

BP> Hyperbaric demonstrates mixed results in viral infections, autoimmune, and

cancer.

BP>  

BP> I have had a relationship with a hyperbaric company out of Santa

BP> .  I have spoken with many patients who suffer from all sorts of

diseases.

BP>  

BP> In many cases, known virals, some autoimmunes, and some cancers

BP> respond, but this does not mean the disease is cured.

BP>  

BP> I've read some " internet " stuff, and I know Dr. Mike will agree

BP> with me on this but for oxygen to get from outside the body, to

BP> inside the body, generally you inhale it! (with me so fa?)

BP>  

BP> Oxygen follows the very basic laws of gas dynamics and always

BP> seeks to go from high partial pressure to low partial pressure.

BP>  

BP> High pp exists in the lungs and low pp exists in the mitochondria.

BP>  

BP> By raising the pp in the lungs you can force hemoglobin to accept more and

deliver more!

BP> You can force your cells to utilize a little more.

BP>  

BP> DOWNSIDE

BP>  

BP> Hemoglobin has to have carbon dioxide around to do it's thing, in

BP> fact, your whole respiratory mechanism is predicated on getting

BP> rid of CO2 and this is why you can give too much oxygen to COPD

BP> patients. If CO2 depleted completely your brain stops sending

BP> signals to your diaphram, why? Because there is no CO2 to have to get rid

of.

BP>  

BP> Astronauts have to sleep in 100% oxygen to prepare for space

BP> walks.  They have to learn how to breath in this environment so that they

don't over ventillate.

BP>  

BP> So, hyperbaric will always be limitted in it's ability to raise

BP> blood O2 and cellular O2 simply because hemoglobin has finite ability to

handle the load.

BP>  

BP> Besides, for cancer, all the O2 in the world would be useless, if

BP> it didn't cross over into the cell and then once their, didn't get

BP> burned or utilized for healthy respiration.

BP>  

BP> CONCLCUSION:

BP>  

BP> While hyperbaric offers varying degrees of benefits to several

BP> different diseases, it is not the holy grail and is simply a tool

BP> to be used with other tools, no war is fought with one weapon, it

BP> is a variety of weapons that wins wars.  It augments alternatives

BP> wonderfully, is more for disease managment than cure itself, it is

BP> not  a waiste of time especially if its part of larger protocol.

BP>  

BP> But very, very credible sources like UCLA med school, U of

BP> Pennsylvania, Tulane Medical School, etc,...will tell you,....not

BP> all viruses are anaerobes true,....but many of the ones the kill you are

anaerobes!

BP>  

BP>  When placing anearobic stress upon cultures, they have increased

BP> viral loads by factors of 100 x.  (this should tell us something.) 

BP> So, if you are sold on hyperbaric,  try it, but citrate, coq10,

BP> mineral salts should also be on board at the very least to aid in

BP> cellular uptake, and utilization.

BP>  

BP> For if you want your space shuttle to go further but also faster,

BP> increasing it's fuel tank size only makes it heavier, increasing

BP> the octane and the fuel pump helps burn more fuel, faster, more

BP> efficiently and augments the larger gas tank perfectly.

BP>  

BP>  

BP>

BP> hi mike

BP> are you saying hyperbaric oxyen isnt good for cancer treatment?

BP> regards

BP> bobby

BP> From: Mike Golden

BP> Bret Peirce

BP> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 11:16 PM

BP> Subject: Re[2]: [ ] Green tea absorbs better with acid added

BP> Hello Bret,

BP> A virus is not an anaerobe. A virus does not have an energy production

BP> capacity. It uses receptor sites to enter cells. It then uses the

BP> cell's energy production mechanisms for replication. It has no

BP> capacity for respiration, anaerobically or aerobically. It is basically

BP> a piece of information and is not alive. Oxygen is not particularly

BP> toxic to virus. In fact, hyperbaric oxygen is used to stimulate the

BP> production of polio virus and coxsackie virus. A lot of the

BP> information floating around the internet concerning virus, cancer

BP> cells and oxygen is incorrect.

BP>

--

Best regards,

Mike mailto:goldenmike@...

[Guest guest]

Dear MIke:

 

I contacted my old Microbiology professor from University of Arizona.

 

He stated we are both right!  That there is still division between microbiology

world.

 

His position is that they are living! Some viruses actually inject their DNA,

like a freaky syringe,....they have a life cycle, they devided much faster in

cells that are subjected to anaerobic stress, 100 fold, they contain DNA, they

are parasitic!

 

There is so much we don't know about these packets of DNA and RNA. They are

difficult to study. They grow these viruses in laboratories many under anaerobic

conditions. Why?

 

Sure, we can split hairs over definition of " anaerobic " but according to one

microbiology professor, it's an argument that can go on forever and nobody will

ever have that sure answer unless more discoveries are made. I asked him why he

didn't clarify this 20 years ago! He said, " because it was 20 years ago. "

 

The last thing is that it is important when using the term oxygen therapy to

diffirentiate between oxygen that destroys viruses via oxidation and oxygen that

supports healthy respiration.

 

Both are oxygen therapies but with different mechanisms.

The question I have is can certain molecules that feature oxygen as subunits,

can they be both?

 

Why does anaerobic stress increase viral replication?  The exact answer is

elusive but one thing is for certain,....many horrible viruses will replicate up

to 100x faster if the cell they infect is hypoxic! I have already provided this

research link.

 

I have some other concerns but I will email you directly as I don't want to

confuse readers and members with debate-like discussions, (which are healthy

nonetheless.)

Appreciate your feedback!

 

Sincerely

Bret