Re: finding alternatives to fight cancer including coping methods

[Guest guest]

>

> Many friends of mine continue to struggle with the fight against breast

cancer. I would like to be able to help them along with family find better ways

to cope with such a tragic situation. I'm in the northeast Ohio area. Can this

group recommend some books or web sites (or NE Ohio groups) that discuss of the

most effective strategies to fight against Breast cancer both emotionally and

physically. Any information that you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thank you so much!!!

>

Are you looking for alternative or allopathic information? Many breast cancer

patients find Dr. Love's breast book full of good information.

But, if you are looking to give them information on alternative medicines, then

I suggest you make sure they are interested first.

There are some excellent websites as well as bulletin board forums to discuss

issues related to breast cancer.

ar

[Guest guest]

Arlyn's advice about giving people information on Alternative measures is

correct.

It is a difficult lesson, however, people not interested in Alternative methods

simply do not accept it without either experiencing it because of someone close

to them or being given a " there's nothing more we can do " from their doctor.

Unfortunately few get that sentence until there really is little to be done.

Most people are misled and hope that last 'Trial' with a new drug will be the

answer. For forty years the War on Cancer has been going on. Do they ever

ask, " what happened to all of those promising drugs " ? Is there yet one that

has lived up to the hype? Absolutely not!

At best, and in many cases there's a juggling of statistics, at best, survival

rates are in the weeks and months as far as improvement goes with the most

exciting drugs. Then we have the 'gene' pitch along with a host of other

avenues and the promise is again dangled in front of the victims only to

disappear in dashed hopes. It once was common to hear, " we are two years away

from a cure " .............they don't use that too much anymore. I've heard that

pitch for more than 50 years.

No, unless someone is truly interested in Alternative measures, Arlyn is correct

and I add, we waste our time but I suspect none of us, none, will take this

advice and we will still try. It is human nature to want to help.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Best protocol is one that has 100% response,

 

 

Google.

 

Dr Brewer and cesium study,....as a phrase.

[Guest guest]

I COMPLETELY AGREE with both Arlyn & Joe. I thot it was sad that people I

spoke to just tuned out when I told them about what I discovered in

" alternative health. " It's truly sad that this tangible reality of true

health is considered an " alternative " path.

You'd think in more urgent circumstances (as in the situation where one is

told they have cancer), the response would be different... that people would

be more interested and opened to learning more about effective methods not

sold in mainstream.

I honestly think that the only way to break this pattern is to have clinical

trials that measure efficacy of " alternative methods " so that there is a

fair comparison of results/study that can be shared with mainstream. When

results to methods can be compared on an " apples to apples " bases, you

SHOULD have more people open to these " alternative " yet annecdotal

methods/results that can help manage various degenerative diseases.

Not to say " alternative methods " have the final cure, but they have

substance that should be given more attention than they are currently

getting.

If you can gain their interest, you will have helped them much more than

passing on info about alternative therapies. Unfortunately, without

motivation or interest, the information that you gather is useless to them.

I wish you much luck!

Kelvin

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM, JCastron1 <jcastron1@...> wrote:

>

>

> Arlyn's advice about giving people information on Alternative measures is

> correct.

>

> It is a difficult lesson, however, people not interested in Alternative

> methods simply do not accept it without either experiencing it because of

> someone close to them or being given a " there's nothing more we can do " from

> their doctor.

>

> Unfortunately few get that sentence until there really is little to be

> done.

>

> Most people are misled and hope that last 'Trial' with a new drug will be

> the answer. For forty years the War on Cancer has been going on. Do they

> ever ask, " what happened to all of those promising drugs " ? Is there yet one

> that has lived up to the hype? Absolutely not!

>

> At best, and in many cases there's a juggling of statistics, at best,

> survival rates are in the weeks and months as far as improvement goes with

> the most exciting drugs. Then we have the 'gene' pitch along with a host of

> other avenues and the promise is again dangled in front of the victims only

> to disappear in dashed hopes. It once was common to hear, " we are two years

> away from a cure " .............they don't use that too much anymore. I've

> heard that pitch for more than 50 years.

>

> No, unless someone is truly interested in Alternative measures, Arlyn is

> correct and I add, we waste our time but I suspect none of us, none, will

> take this advice and we will still try. It is human nature to want to help.

>

> Joe C.

>

[Guest guest]

The biggest problem that I saw personally through my wife having Cancer, for

people to try alternatives, is in her case, she was originally scared to not try

Chemo which her Dr.s all said to do, we have been programmed our entire lives

that our Dr.s are to be trusted and that they know what they are doing, and she

was scared to death to put her life on the line for alternative methods, that is

why she ened up doing chemo and alternative methods, until we are in that

situation of possible life & death decisions ourselves, it's hard to say

anything to people that do not want to go against their Dr.

For some great alternative info go to this website.

http://www.panzergeneral.org/PCHELP.htm

They are able to keep the website going by being an affiliate for Swanson

Vitamins, by using the swanson link on that website to buy Swanson's products,

otherwise the site would not be availalbe, it has tons of excellent information

of all kinds on Alternative Cancer.

 

LPO  SPENCER

 

________________________________

From: Kelvin <kelvin.internet@...>

Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:16:15 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: finding alternatives to fight cancer including

coping methods

I COMPLETELY AGREE with both Arlyn & Joe. I thot it was sad that people I

spoke to just tuned out when I told them about what I discovered in

" alternative health. " It's truly sad that this tangible reality of true

health is considered an " alternative " path.

You'd think in more urgent circumstances (as in the situation where one is

told they have cancer), the response would be different... that people would

be more interested and opened to learning more about effective methods not

sold in mainstream.

I honestly think that the only way to break this pattern is to have clinical

trials that measure efficacy of " alternative methods " so that there is a

fair comparison of results/study that can be shared with mainstream. When

results to methods can be compared on an " apples to apples " bases, you

SHOULD have more people open to these " alternative " yet annecdotal

methods/results that can help manage various degenerative diseases.

Not to say " alternative methods " have the final cure, but they have

substance that should be given more attention than they are currently

getting.

If you can gain their interest, you will have helped them much more than

passing on info about alternative therapies. Unfortunately, without

motivation or interest, the information that you gather is useless to them.

I wish you much luck!

Kelvin

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM, JCastron1 <jcastron1comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

>

>

> Arlyn's advice about giving people information on Alternative measures is

> correct.

>

> It is a difficult lesson, however, people not interested in Alternative

> methods simply do not accept it without either experiencing it because of

> someone close to them or being given a " there's nothing more we can do " from

> their doctor.

>

> Unfortunately few get that sentence until there really is little to be

> done.

>

> Most people are misled and hope that last 'Trial' with a new drug will be

> the answer. For forty years the War on Cancer has been going on. Do they

> ever ask, " what happened to all of those promising drugs " ? Is there yet one

> that has lived up to the hype? Absolutely not!

>

> At best, and in many cases there's a juggling of statistics, at best,

> survival rates are in the weeks and months as far as improvement goes with

> the most exciting drugs. Then we have the 'gene' pitch along with a host of

> other avenues and the promise is again dangled in front of the victims only

> to disappear in dashed hopes. It once was common to hear, " we are two years

> away from a cure " ....... ......they don't use that too much anymore. I've

> heard that pitch for more than 50 years.

>

> No, unless someone is truly interested in Alternative measures, Arlyn is

> correct and I add, we waste our time but I suspect none of us, none, will

> take this advice and we will still try. It is human nature to want to help.

>

> Joe C.

>

[Guest guest]

Kelvin,

You hit the nail on the head. Without the studies and trials, alternative

treatments are just anecdotal. Why would someone put their lives in the hands

of information received from a friend's second cousin's boss. Etc.

Prior to being diagnosed, I said I would never do radiation or chemo. But, once

someone said the words " you have cancer " to me, all that belief in alternatives

went out the window. Mainly because I had already been doing an anti-cancer

diet. I thought long and hard on it and decided to do a combination. I did

surgery and radiation. And now I am following up with alternatives to try to

stop cancer from returning.

Now, of course, I believe that I will never do chemo. But having gone down that

path once before, I can honestly say that I don't know what I would do if I was

told I needed chemo.

ar

> I honestly think that the only way to break this pattern is to have clinical

> trials that measure efficacy of " alternative methods " so that there is a

> fair comparison of results/study that can be shared with mainstream. When

> results to methods can be compared on an " apples to apples " bases, you

> SHOULD have more people open to these " alternative " yet annecdotal

> methods/results that can help manage various degenerative diseases.

[Guest guest]

Why take what someone's second cousin tells you is beneficial? That makes

sense and then once a member of alternative sources and one begins to do some

research they learn that Trials by Conventional sources are suspect because the

trials are tainted.

They are tainted because they are too often funded by the very groups benefiting

from the 'positive' results we read about.

Add to that the trickery used to skew 'Study' results such as misleading people

and even physicians by using risk factors that are designed for one

purpose...........to mislead. Though we have gone over how this trickery is

accomplished it seems of value to repeat them again.

The terms 'Absolute Risk' and 'Relative Risk' are the terms of interest.

When a physician/Oncologist tell someone that there is a Relative Improvement of

50% using Drug X and Y together compared to using X alone it is a no brainer to

jump at that opportunity to gain a 50% improvement. Who wouldn't? I'll tell

you who wouldn't. I wouldn't nor would most that have learned how to decipher

what that means.

The following was taken from a large report by two Australian Oncologists that

strongly suggest something 'else' besides chemotherapy must be done " :

" As an example is the prescription of the bisphosphonate drugs in the treatment

and prevention of osteoporosis...but identical issues apply to the use of

anticancer drugs. The journal in question had written that one of those drugs

produced almost " a 50 percent decrease " in the risk of new fractures.

[This 50% decrease can be proven mathematically and is

impressive..........but........

Addressing himself to a hypothetical patient, Dr. McCormack reinterpreted this

statement in terms of absolute risk: " Mrs. , your risk of developing

a...fracture over the next three years is approximately 8 percent. If you take a

drug daily for the next three years, that risk can be reduced from 8 percent to

around 5 percent, or a difference of just over 3 percent. " Of course that sounds

far less impressive than saying that taking the drug will decrease the risk of

fracture by almost half, even though technically both are mathematically

accurate ways of expressing the benefit to be gained by the therapy. "

This is the same game played over and over by physicians to their patients and

drug companies to doctors. Imagine, an almost 50% improvement. Wow! Ooops,

it is only a little better than 3%?

I personally would not undergo a very toxic treatment to gain a 3% improvement.

I suppose some would but doesn't that turn you off? 50% becomes 3% by looking

at it realistically?

The point was to illustrate that no, we should do more than take some cousin's

cousin's suggestion to overcome something as serious as cancer. Maybe a Post

Nasal Drip, not cancer. What is one to do? Keep researching. Check out

PubMed, a site physicians use to report their findings. When things such as

NAC and Curcumin were recommended to me by one of our list experts, I re-checked

and searched finding there is scientific evidence of the benefits of both of

these alternative substances.

If I did not have years of exposure to Alternative Practices I might have been

more eager to allow my Urologist to do anything he wanted such as a 'Mapping' of

my Bladder which is numerous biopsies to determine if there is a certain type of

cancer hidden therein. Instead, because I knew about 'seeding of cancer cells',

I did not allow it. Or I might have allowed Chemotherapy but didn't because I

researched and learned what he wanted to use was not that effective. As a

result I have empathy for those that do not have much exposure to Alternative

practices and never badger or insult them because they did seek Conventional

help.

We must never be cocky and quick to condemn those never having exposure to

anything but Conventional medicine. It isn't " common sense " to seek Alternative

vs Conventional. It is only sensible when one has questioned Conventional and

has done a lot of research or been exposed to someone very successfully treated

Alternatively. This is why some of us warn those seeking to help their loved

ones and friends that it is up to the afflicted person, not anyone else. It

doesn't mean you shouldn't offer a suggestion but do not try to shove it down

their throats. It rarely works.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Joe,

As always, you speak the truth. If I hadn't had my life saved by an

acupuncturist decades ago, I never would have traveled down the alternative

path. We only know what is within our frame of reference.

ar

>

> Why take what someone's second cousin tells you is beneficial? That makes

sense and then once a member of alternative sources and one begins to do some

research they learn that Trials by Conventional sources are suspect because the

trials are tainted.