Re: paw paw (was GRAVIOLA???)

[Guest guest]

Posted by: " melizzard11 " melizzard@... melizzard11

>how is paw paw more effective than graviola?

My full notes on paw paw:

paw paw—NOT the same as papaya; antiangiogenic, antiviral, promotes apoptosis

(stops ATP production), inhibits drug resistance (MDR); effective w/Hodgkins;

more effective in supplement form; synergistic w/kombucha. “use…briefly and

intensely…can't be used for prevention†Mike Golden, D.C., 9/17/08; don’t

take long-term w/o medical supervision; “Paw Paw is standardized, while

Graviola is not…video in which a researcher…tested Graviola and Paw

Paw…both contain the same therapeutic alkaloid…in one batch of Graviola, the

active alkaloid was 24 times weaker than Paw Paw, and in another batch, 56 times

weakerâ€

" By reducing this voltage level from 70 to 110 mv to something in the 50 mv

region, normal cells can still function. However, cancer and viral cells cannot

process energy at this low voltage level and start to starve. The process of

starving is a slow...process....When Paw Paw does not work, it is usually

because it is not absorbed sufficiently into the cells of the body to cause this

voltage reduction. Both Cantron and Protocel are designed to cause this voltage

reduction. If Paw Paw does not work for a person, Cantron or Protocel may work "

2/5/09

Interactions w/Other Supplements:

Some say to AVOID CoQ10, antioxidants, grapepine, lipoic acid, Cellular Energy,

NAC, garlic, 7-KETO, TS-2, thyroid activator & support, and megadoses of vit. C

while using paw paw because they may interfere w/its effectiveness, but another

source says it’s ok to take them; “According to the latest info…there are

just a couple things that are not

compatable…www.pawpaw.tv/one_minute_007.asp“ (11/07)

" [Paw paw and graviola] do limit ATP production. Most of their effect is on

rapidly growing cells...might produce some fatigue at first...Only use these

products with food in the stomach. Initially there was a lot of concern

that...antioxidants might inhibit paw paw. This has proven untrue, for the most

part. Some reasonable supplementation with antioxidants is ok. You might still

want to avoid [CoQ10] and drug that stimulates the thyroid†Mike Golden,

D.C. 9/08

“paw paw acts on cancer via acetogenins, just like graviola, suffocating the

cancer cell by interfering with its oxidative mechanisms. As with graviola, it's

the leaves that are used…Acetogenins…in paw paw and graviola, interfere with

oxidative…mechanisms, involving NADH (niacin based) and [CoQ10]…. action of

acetogenins is on the oxidative mechanisms for energy production of the cell,

involving NAD/H [and CoQ10]…antioxidants and CoQ10…might be supplying it to

the cancer cell…negating the…acetogenins. [see] Alali et al., `Annonaceous

acetogenins: Recent progress’ in J. Nat. Prod., 1999, vol 62, pp 504-540….

www.freemedicaljournals.com…. take the acetogenins several hours apart from

the antioxidantsâ€

" [Dr.] Jerry McLoughlin [professor at Purdue Univ.], the originator of Paw Paw

extract for Nature's Sunshine...said that if the usual dose of 4 capsules of Paw

Paw a day does not bring desired results, a person can go higher without risking

any serious problems besides nausea and vomiting….herbalist [ Easley]

said he had taken some of his clients up as high as 20 capsules daily, the

reason being, of course, that some people who do not see tumor diminution at 4

capsules a day do see it at higher dosesâ€. “Tony Bell...has for a long time

been recommending that Protocel and Paw Paw be taken TOGETHER....Tony has told

me several times that people who have taken Protocel and Paw Paw together have

obtained very good results.â€

“products that may be used in increasing the pawpaw’s

effectiveness…Noni…Colosturms, and Protease….pawpaw should not be used

with…thyroid stimulators…or with CoQ10†(KaronBeattie.com, 2004b, p. 113)

For more info, www.pawpawresearch.com/visual.htm

www.annieappleseedproject.org/pawpawfruita.html (MBSchachter.com)

www.handpen.com/cancell/paw.htm

www.healthy-sunshine.com/paw-paw-cell-reg.asp (to order; Nature’s Sunshine)

[Guest guest]

Do you think taking omega 3 oils interferes with paw paw?

Thanks,  Robyn

From: Leonard <leonardleonard1@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: paw paw (was GRAVIOLA???)

Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 9:57 PM

 

Posted by: " melizzard11 " melizzard@... melizzard11

>how is paw paw more effective than graviola?

My full notes on paw paw:

paw paw—NOT the same as papaya; antiangiogenic, antiviral, promotes apoptosis

(stops ATP production), inhibits drug resistance (MDR); effective w/Hodgkins;

more effective in supplement form; synergistic w/kombucha. “use…briefly and

intensely…can't be used for prevention†Mike Golden, D.C., 9/17/08; don’t

take long-term w/o medical supervision; “Paw Paw is standardized, while

Graviola is not…video in which a researcher…tested Graviola and Paw

Paw…both contain the same therapeutic alkaloid…in one batch of Graviola, the

active alkaloid was 24 times weaker than Paw Paw, and in another batch, 56 times

weakerâ€

" By reducing this voltage level from 70 to 110 mv to something in the 50 mv

region, normal cells can still function. However, cancer and viral cells cannot

process energy at this low voltage level and start to starve. The process of

starving is a slow...process....When Paw Paw does not work, it is usually

because it is not absorbed sufficiently into the cells of the body to cause this

voltage reduction. Both Cantron and Protocel are designed to cause this voltage

reduction. If Paw Paw does not work for a person, Cantron or Protocel may work "

2/5/09

Interactions w/Other Supplements:

Some say to AVOID CoQ10, antioxidants, grapepine, lipoic acid, Cellular Energy,

NAC, garlic, 7-KETO, TS-2, thyroid activator & support, and megadoses of vit. C

while using paw paw because they may interfere w/its effectiveness, but another

source says it’s ok to take them; “According to the latest info…there are

just a couple things that are not

compatable…www.pawpaw.tv/one_minute_007.asp“ (11/07)

" [Paw paw and graviola] do limit ATP production. Most of their effect is on

rapidly growing cells...might produce some fatigue at first...Only use these

products with food in the stomach. Initially there was a lot of concern

that...antioxidants might inhibit paw paw. This has proven untrue, for the most

part. Some reasonable supplementation with antioxidants is ok. You might still

want to avoid [CoQ10] and drug that stimulates the thyroid†Mike Golden,

D.C. 9/08

“paw paw acts on cancer via acetogenins, just like graviola, suffocating the

cancer cell by interfering with its oxidative mechanisms. As with graviola, it's

the leaves that are used…Acetogenins…in paw paw and graviola, interfere with

oxidative…mechanisms, involving NADH (niacin based) and [CoQ10]…. action of

acetogenins is on the oxidative mechanisms for energy production of the cell,

involving NAD/H [and CoQ10]…antioxidants and CoQ10…might be supplying it to

the cancer cell…negating the…acetogenins. [see] Alali et al., `Annonaceous

acetogenins: Recent progress’ in J. Nat. Prod., 1999, vol 62, pp 504-540….

www.freemedicaljournals.com…. take the acetogenins several hours apart from

the antioxidantsâ€

" [Dr.] Jerry McLoughlin [professor at Purdue Univ.], the originator of Paw Paw

extract for Nature's Sunshine...said that if the usual dose of 4 capsules of Paw

Paw a day does not bring desired results, a person can go higher without risking

any serious problems besides nausea and vomiting….herbalist [ Easley]

said he had taken some of his clients up as high as 20 capsules daily, the

reason being, of course, that some people who do not see tumor diminution at 4

capsules a day do see it at higher dosesâ€. “Tony Bell...has for a long time

been recommending that Protocel and Paw Paw be taken TOGETHER....Tony has told

me several times that people who have taken Protocel and Paw Paw together have

obtained very good results.â€

“products that may be used in increasing the pawpaw’s

effectiveness…Noni…Colosturms, and Protease….pawpaw should not be used

with…thyroid stimulators…or with CoQ10†(KaronBeattie.com, 2004b, p. 113)

For more info, www.pawpawresearch.com/visual.htm

www.annieappleseedproject.org/pawpawfruita.html (MBSchachter.com)

www.handpen.com/cancell/paw.htm

www.healthy-sunshine.com/paw-paw-cell-reg.asp (to order; Nature’s Sunshine)

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much, Leonard! I am currently taking many of these things ...

lipoic acid, NAC, CoQ10 ... should I stop these while I'm using graviola or paw

paw?

xxoo

[Guest guest]

" melizzard11 " <melizzard@...> wrote:

<<I am currently taking many of these things ... lipoic acid, NAC, CoQ10 ...

should I stop these while I'm using graviola or paw paw?>>

I really don't know. If it was me, I'd be inclined to keep taking the CoQ10 and

(if I had a specific need for them) the lipoic acid and NAC.

[Guest guest]

I'm using them as part of my cancer protocol ... but if I'm adding graviola, I

would like for it to be as effective as possible on the cancer. If these things

lessen graviola's effectiveness, wouldn't it stand to reason to drop them for a

while to see what the graviola can do unobstructed?

xxoo

> <<I am currently taking many of these things ... lipoic acid, NAC, CoQ10 ...

should I stop these while I'm using graviola or paw paw?>>

>

> I really don't know. If it was me, I'd be inclined to keep taking the CoQ10

and (if I had a specific need for them) the lipoic acid and NAC.

>

[Guest guest]

,

Go to www.rain-tree.com. You can also call them to ask about the use of COQ10.

> > <<I am currently taking many of these things ... lipoic acid, NAC, CoQ10 ...

should I stop these while I'm using graviola or paw paw?>>

> >

> > I really don't know. If it was me, I'd be inclined to keep taking the CoQ10

and (if I had a specific need for them) the lipoic acid and NAC.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The paw paw lowers the ATP simplistically the energy in the cell. Cancer needs

a lot of energy so depriving it weakens the cancer. Taking CoQ10 raises the

ATPs so they are working against each other. If you can obtain paw paw leaves

anywhere you can make a tea. I have a friend alive after 20 years who was in

last stages of cancer who used that treatment. I have more information if you

want it.

Toni

[Guest guest]

Anyone have a source for paw paw?

Thanks

BJ

From: ilt404

Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010

The paw paw lowers the ATP simplistically the energy in the cell. Cancer needs

a lot of energy so depriving it weakens the cancer. Taking CoQ10 raises the ATPs

so they are working against each other. If you can obtain paw paw leaves

anywhere you can make a tea. I have a friend alive after 20 years who was in

last stages of cancer who used that treatment. I have more information if you

want it.

Toni

[Guest guest]

I would get 1 LB of the bulk powder from Raintree Nutrition. Its much more

economical than capsules. Raintree is supposed to be the best and purest source

and have been selling it a long time. I saw better prices from some internet

merchants, just be sure you're actually getting the 1 LB bulk Raintree powder.

Search for _graviola powder bulk raintree_ or order from Raintree.

$28/1 LB

http://www.rain-tree.com/graviola-powder.htm

>

> Anyone have a source for paw paw?

> Thanks

> BJ

>

>

> From: ilt404

> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010

> The paw paw lowers the ATP simplistically the energy in the cell. Cancer

needs a lot of energy so depriving it weakens the cancer. Taking CoQ10 raises

the ATPs so they are working against each other. If you can obtain paw paw

leaves anywhere you can make a tea. I have a friend alive after 20 years who was

in last stages of cancer who used that treatment. I have more information if you

want it.

> Toni

>

[Guest guest]

Here a very good site on Paw Paw

http://www.pawpawresearch.com/visual.htm

it is important for anyone contemplating using the paw paw treatment to be sure

that a standardized extract of from the Asimina triloba tree is obtained–not

graviola, since graviola is far less potent due to its chemical structure.

you can contact them " info " at " pawpawresearch.com

>

> Anyone have a source for paw paw?

> Thanks

> BJ

>

>

> From: ilt404

> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010

> The paw paw lowers the ATP simplistically the energy in the cell. Cancer

needs a lot of energy so depriving it weakens the cancer. Taking CoQ10 raises

the ATPs so they are working against each other. If you can obtain paw paw

leaves anywhere you can make a tea. I have a friend alive after 20 years who was

in last stages of cancer who used that treatment. I have more information if you

want it.

> Toni

>

[Guest guest]

So I am confused - if paw paw lowers the ATP, and this is desirable to kill

cancer, but CoQ10 raises the ATP, then why would we take CoQ10 at all? If

they're both good but do different things that work against each other?

>

> The paw paw lowers the ATP simplistically the energy in the cell. Cancer

needs a lot of energy so depriving it weakens the cancer. Taking CoQ10 raises

the ATPs so they are working against each other. If you can obtain paw paw

leaves anywhere you can make a tea. I have a friend alive after 20 years who

was in last stages of cancer who used that treatment. I have more information

if you want it.

> Toni

>