Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 Thank you ... that lead me to more links and an apparent " consensus " of readings!!!! How I know how to interpret the pH readings... a.. Only in severe diseases does the pH get slightly below 7.0 or close to 8.0. [] b.. A range of 6.50 - 6.80 for the first urination of the day is viewed as " optimum " - Biological Terrain test[*] (used by Cheney) c.. Ideal pH by the time of day:[*] in the morning, (pH = 6.5 - 7.0) in the evening (pH = 7.5 - 8.0) Urine pH Ken, for what it's worth, in the " optimum " category for urine pH on the Biological Terrain test that Cheney gives, it gives the range as 6.50 - 6.80. Take care. Carol [This message contained attachments] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Hi! Jim Just a personal note. I was able to correlate worsening CFS symptoms with increasing acid urine PH readings. Surprisingly, the differences were minute. I was usually 6.9, when I dropped down to 6.7, I was virtually comatose. I have no idea of what I would look like if I ever went to a 4, which you state is normal. What I ate had no effect on my urine PH, as I had a list of acid forming and alkali forming foods in the body and could not budge the numbers by food intake, so whatever is keeping us acidic is overriding the effect of the food we eat. Interesting? huh! Merle clements@... wrote: > > The pH range for urine is 4.5 to 8.0 the norm being about 6.0, on the > acid side. The variance in range is dependent upon the kinds of foods > that a person may have eaten recently, whether they were acid forming > foods or alkaline forming foods. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Hi Merle, I guess it is a mistake to compare urine pH values in a healthy person to urine pH values in a person w/FMS/CFIDS. I suspect that the homeostatic controls the body has put in place to maintain balance in each condition will possibly effect the output. You are probably experiencing a greater sensitivity to pH changes because your system is " hanging onto the edge " pH-wise. How is your breathing? Do you deal w/ acid reflux? If breathing is shallow, I am guessing low CO2 levels which indicates lack of O2 at cell level. Kind of a " catch 22 " the body is low on CO2 so it reduces breathing to build up CO2,but the reason it is low on CO2 is that there is insufficient O2 at cell level (or O2 not properly utilized). Shallow breathing further inhibits oxygen intake. Self imposed changing in breathing does not do much to alter condition since the blood is not in state to accept increased O2. It may prove beneficial over long term (guessing here). Also, CO2 plays a role in the creation of HCL for gastric juices. acid reflux is an indicator of too high pH for stomach acid, which then interferes with the bodies ability to ionize minerals for absorption. As you monitor your urine pH do you record daily activities and stressors related to the day as well as foods eaten. Also, you may want to see if there is a correlation with the days pH findings and what was eaten 1 - 2 days prior. Very interesting. (just got a mental image of that short guy on Laugh-In. dating myself) All the best, Jim clements@... > > > > > The pH range for urine is 4.5 to 8.0 the norm being about 6.0, on the > > acid side. The variance in range is dependent upon the kinds of foods > > that a person may have eaten recently, whether they were acid forming > > foods or alkaline forming foods. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2001 Report Share Posted July 1, 2001 what does this ph level mean? --- clements@... wrote: > > Hi Merle, > > I guess it is a mistake to compare urine pH values > in a healthy > person to urine pH values in a person w/FMS/CFIDS. > I suspect that the > homeostatic controls the body has put in place to > maintain balance in > each condition will possibly effect the output. > > You are probably experiencing a greater > sensitivity to pH changes > because your system is " hanging onto the edge " > pH-wise. > > How is your breathing? Do you deal w/ acid > reflux? > > If breathing is shallow, I am guessing low CO2 > levels which indicates > lack of O2 at cell level. Kind of a " catch 22 " the > body is low on > CO2 so it reduces breathing to build up CO2,but the > reason it is low > on CO2 is that there is insufficient O2 at cell > level (or O2 not > properly utilized). Shallow breathing further > inhibits oxygen intake. > Self imposed changing in breathing does not do much > to alter condition > since the blood is not in state to accept increased > O2. It may prove > beneficial over long term (guessing here). > > Also, CO2 plays a role in the creation of HCL for > gastric juices. > acid reflux is an indicator of too high pH for > stomach acid, which > then interferes with the bodies ability to ionize > minerals for > absorption. > > As you monitor your urine pH do you record daily > activities and > stressors related to the day as well as foods eaten. > Also, you may > want to see if there is a correlation with the days > pH findings and > what was eaten 1 - 2 days prior. > > Very interesting. (just got a mental image of that > short guy on > Laugh-In. dating myself) > > All the best, > Jim > clements@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > The pH range for urine is 4.5 to 8.0 the norm > being about 6.0, on > the > > > acid side. The variance in range is dependent > upon the kinds of > foods > > > that a person may have eaten recently, whether > they were acid > forming > > > foods or alkaline forming foods. > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal > experiences with each other, not to give medical > advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 do foods help to make it more aklaline? --- Merle Peer <peerent@...> wrote: > Hi! > > The idea behind monitoring PH, is that the more > alkaline the body is, vs acidic, the healthier it > is. > > The way it was explained to me was that if the > body's conditions aren't within a narrow range, ph, > temperature, etc, it makes inferior cells that > aren't as efficient as perfect cells. > > Considering that our cells seem to be in some kind > of revolt, never mind just being inferior, the more > we can work towards maintaining ideal conditions, > the healthier we will be. > > Merle > > michelle cervera wrote: > > > ok now how does this help us with cfs? > > --- clements@... wrote: > > > > > > , > > > > > > pH stands for: potential Hydrogen or parts > Hydrogen, > > > and is measured > > > on a scale of 0 to 14. The pH scale is used to > > > measure how acidic or > > > how alkaline a substance is. 0 pH would be > absolute > > > acid and 14 would > > > be absolute base or alkaline and right in the > middle > > > between acid in > > > base at 7 pH is neutral, equally acid and base. > > > > > > The water that you drink is probably about just > > > above the neutral > > > point in the pH scale. Soda pop is very acidic. > > > Somethings you eat > > > may be acidic to the taste, such as lemon, but > > > because they leave > > > alkaline minerals after they are metabolized, > they > > > are considered to > > > be alkaline forming. > > > > > > Parts of the body operate in their own specific > pH > > > ranges, Merle's > > > earlier post pointed out that the mouth/saliva > > > operates in an alkaline > > > pH range, the stomach operates in an acid pH > range, > > > the small > > > intestine alkaline, and the colon back to > acidic. > > > When the levels of > > > the pH in these areas slip outside their normal > > > operating pH then it > > > creates an upset in their functioning. > > > > > > (Note: a diagram toward the end of the online > > > presentation > > > Fibromyalgia: A Hypothesis of Etiology at > > > http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html > > > shows the operating pH ranges for these areas) > > > > > > The blood pH is normally 7.3 pH to 7.45 pH and > the > > > body has very tight > > > homeostatic controls on this pH because it is > > > important to the > > > survival of the body that this pH stay within > this > > > range. The cell > > > environment is normally maintained at around 7.4 > pH > > > (if I recall > > > correctly) > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal > experiences with each other, not to give medical > advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 Hi! Fruits and vegetables are supposed to make the body more alkaline, meats and grains more acidic. I think that is why the cancer diet stresses vegetables so much. I think a diet of fruit in the morning, protein and vege's at lunch, and carbs and vege's at supper is probably the best for people with CFS. It gives us the necessary nutrients but doesn't overload the body and gives it lots of time to digest before we eat it again. Just my thoughts, no proof. Merle michelle cervera wrote: > do foods help to make it more aklaline? > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 Any chelator will cause increased urination and sometimes increased stool. Re: urine PH >Cameron also is coonstantly peeing! Can't imagine what's going on withthese kids.A.I too must have mised this but as we have problems with Becky constantly> peeing. Please send me some more info.> Caroline> xx> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 >Please tell! I've missed this completely. And...what's the Willis list (Willis Langford?) and, scaled 1-10, how valuable? You can tell I'm falling behind this summer! Abigail > In a message dated 10/08/2005 01:02:02 GMT Daylight Time, > weinert@... writes: > > Does anyone think this might be a cause of the kidney damage Dr. M. is > reporting? Is everyone carefully monitoring urine pH? I know we just > started. > > > >>>>Could be..........big discussion about pH on Willis list at the >>>> moment, I > could fwd some of it if you like > > Mandi in Dorset > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 I too must have mised this but as we have problems with Becky constantly peeing. Please send me some more info. Caroline xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 >Cameron also is coonstantly peeing! Can't imagine what's going on with these kids. A. I too must have mised this but as we have problems with Becky constantly > peeing. Please send me some more info. > Caroline > xx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 In a message dated 10/08/2005 03:50:05 GMT Daylight Time, acfloe@... writes: And...what's the Willis list (Willis Langford?) and, scaled 1-10, howvaluable?You can tell I'm falling behind this summer! >>>hi Abbie Willis Langford, old guy (80+), bright, sells glyconutrients (Mannatech) but doesn;t push them on anybody, ex Navy Seal, offers counsel, collects info from all over and puts it toghether. Huge 300+ page document called Mastering Autism. Some folks dismiss him, but over the years, he has been right about just about everything we have ever done with Sam He's not into chelation. He has written several articles for Autism File magazine. His wife passed away last week but he says he still wants mails to keep him busy........ If you wnat the latest copy of Mastering Autism,. just mail him and ask. Its a Word Doc willissl @ aol.com HTH Mandi PS this is link for group Williss/ Generally low traffic but a new chap Tony is creating lost of discussion lately I think its a Mark Sircus free zone, Levin is on there (if you know these folks at all LOL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 What would be a reason of too high urine Ph in the morning? My understanding is that the first urine Ph should be in 5s the going to 7s during the day and high Ph may cause problems (what kind of problems?). Can someone please shine the light onto the issue? Thank you! P.S The saliva Ph is in mid-6s to low 7s in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 What are you taking as supplements, how old are your strips? Â From: katerinka70 <katerinka70@...> Subject: [ ] Urine Ph Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 8:36 AM Â What would be a reason of too high urine Ph in the morning? My understanding is that the first urine Ph should be in 5s the going to 7s during the day and high Ph may cause problems (what kind of problems?). Can someone please shine the light onto the issue? Thank you! P.S The saliva Ph is in mid-6s to low 7s in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Katerinka, it's really important to stress that a single urine pH measurement isn't of much value. Urine pH is usually all over the map. Only real way to do a urine pH test is a 24-hour collection, that shaken up and sampled and measured. 3 or 5 gallon water containers work well for this. Too high a urine pH, when tested properly, is very valuable info, because too high a pH over a long period can indicated major problems; the brain as one example, goes on the fritz with too high a pH consistently. Not nice to fool Mother Nature! Dave katerinka70 wrote: > What would be a reason of too high urine Ph in the morning? My understanding is that the first urine Ph should be in 5s the going to 7s during the day and high Ph may cause problems (what kind of problems?). Can someone please shine the light onto the issue? > Thank you! > > P.S The saliva Ph is in mid-6s to low 7s in the morning. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 What part does the Water Containers play? jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 > What are you taking as supplements,> Barley Power, Vit C, Vit B Complex, Milk Thisle, Zinc, Holy Basil, Phosphatidylserine, Selenium, Green Tea, Probiotics, D, CoQ10, Transfer Factor, Beta Glucan, Thyroid hormone (natural). >how old are your strips?> Not sure, they don't have a date on. I've had them for 3 months. > Â > > > > > > What would be a reason of too high urine Ph in the morning? > P.S The saliva Ph is in mid-6s to low 7s in the morning. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Dave, I was reading that the pattern is important - the first morning one is the one that should be low Ph. Then I guess it may go all over the map depending on what was eaten etc. > > Katerinka, it's really important to stress that a single urine pH > measurement isn't of much value. Urine pH is usually all over the map. > > Only real way to do a urine pH test is a 24-hour collection,> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 I find even the first morning piddle pH varies widely, probably from whatever I ate and drank the night before. -Dave katerinka70 wrote: > Dave, I was reading that the pattern is important - the first morning one is the one that should be low Ph. Then I guess it may go all over the map depending on what was eaten etc. > > > >> Katerinka, it's really important to stress that a single urine pH >> measurement isn't of much value. Urine pH is usually all over the map. >> >> Only real way to do a urine pH test is a 24-hour collection,> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 a 24 hour collection is just that, a big bottle to collect urine in. No other way it can all be mixed and measures later (after again stirring/mixing...) Large water bottles are pretty available.. -Dave Jim Duval wrote: > What part does the Water Containers play? > > jim > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Hello. I have the following info in my document folder so thought I would share it for those interested in PH levels. Unfortunately, I do not have the link to the website where I got the info so can not include it here and I can not answer any questions on the subject because I have copyed it from a website. Do a search engine search with key words to find out more about any of the following. It is quite long and not edited at all. Quote: Daily Cycles Test This is an on-going test over several days to even a couple of weeks to determine how your pH swings during the day under different circumstances and food consumption habits. Take a sheet of paper and make 5 columns headed " time " , " consumption " , " saliva pH " , " urine pH " , " feel " . You will record your urine and saliva pH every time you go to the bathroom. When you wake up in the morning record the time and your pH values and how you feel. When you eat breakfast, record the time. Next time you go to the bathroom record the time, your pH values and how you feel. Next time you eat, record the time and what you ate. Next time you go to the bathroom record the time, pH values and how you feel. Do this throughout the whole day and over many days. Here you will start to track what you eat, how that makes your pH sway, and how you feel during the process. It can be an invaluable tool to begin to make associations like; every time I eat x food, my pH a few hours later goes to y value, and I feel like…. You may start to notice patterns that are either for your benefit or perhaps not. Do it for a long enough period and you will start to see cause and effect. You are on the road to taking real charge of your health. Wake Up Test First thing in the morning, your eyes open up, you roll over and test your saliva pH. In a best situation, your pH reads 6.4. Individuals with either chronic degenerative diseases or those setting themselves up for such will see their wake up saliva from 5.5 or lower with concurrent urine pH as low as 4.5. These values represent a long term acid stress on the body. Generally this means that an individuals alkaline reserves are very low to depleted. In general you do not want to see a wake up saliva pH below 6.1. Seeing a low saliva pH and a higher urine pH is not where you want to be. You need to correct that. Salivating Test You sit down to eat, you get the aroma of your favorite mealtime dish, you are ready to chow down and something begins to happen in your mouth. You begin to salivate. This is a reflection of the enzyme amylase kicking in for the starch digestion process. This enzyme needs a range of pH ideally around 7.2 pH. So if you have adequate alkaline reserves in your body, testing your saliva pH as you salivate before a meal should give you a pH reading of around 7.2. If your pH is not getting up to at least 7.0, you can assume there is stress in your alkaline reserves and the further below 7 it goes, the more depleted are those reserves. You could also suspect digestion all around is not doing so well. This typically indicates a longer term problem and more serious effort needs to be applied to help restore overall health. Acid Meal Test Here you are going to eat an acid forming food evening meal. Meat, pasta, beans, bread, nuts, fish, no vegetables. Next morning, check your first urine pH. The meal the previous evening was too acid, but the body needs to be getting rid of this acid, so the urine should reflect this. Best situation would be wake up urine from 4.5 up to 5.8 or so. This would be a reflection of your body having enough alkaline reserves that it was buffering the acid and the adrenals and kidneys had appropriate energy to get rid of it. It is a healthy response. Wake up urine after the acid evening meal between 5.8 and 6.8 is a reflection that the body is barely compensating, and the higher the pH the worse the situation. Wake up urine after the acid evening meal of 6.8 or higher is not good. It is a possible indication that the body is dumping bicarbonate ions and may be in the ammonia cycle of the liver to help deal with the acid. This situation probably means depleted alkaline reserves and possible exhausted adrenal glands as well as probable digestive problems. If the above situation or an alkaline morning urine is accompanied by an acid saliva less then 5.8, the situation is getting worse, and the further apart the numbers, the worse it is. Definite remedial action for alkaline reserve build up is critical. As a point of reference, have you ever been to a nursing home and smelled an ammonia odor? Did you think that was because the nursing home was doing a good job of house cleaning? Well that is not the case. What is happening is you are smelling the urine of very sick people in their last days. Their bodies are in a give up state, they are likely dumping any alkaline buffers they have and the body is in last ditch mode trying to maintain sufficient blood pH for life to hang on by converting the acid in their systems to ammonia. The single biggest thing those individuals need is more water for hydration and a lot of alkalizing minerals. I would venture to guess that if this were to occur in nursing homes around the country a lot of their patients would be getting better and going home. Alkaline Meal Test Here you are going to eat an alkalizing evening meal. Basically all vegetables. Green leafy veggies, broccoli, lima beans, carrots, etc. Next morning check your first urine pH. If the pH range is 4.5 to 5.5 you can consider it a too acid response. It means your body has a lot of excess acidity stored and you need to keep up those alkaline evening meals until the numbers come up. If you have a pH range from 5.5 to 6.8 it could be considered that you have a better level of alkaline reserves, but key to that assumption would be how you feel. If you feel healthy this range is ok. If you have symptoms of problems, you may need to dig more into the situation. If the pH range is 6.8 to 8.5 again it could mean all is very well IF you are perfectly healthy. However, if you were experiencing serious symptoms of ill health, this alkaline response could be an indication that your cells are too toxic to use the alkaline reserves and instead are being dumped. It should be mentioned here that there can be times when someone consumes many vegetables and alkaline minerals and their pH readings average far above 6.4. They believe this to be healthy but it actually is reflecting an underlying imbalance. Instead of using the minerals they are being dumped. Further testing will many times show an anabolic/catabolic imbalance - some clinicians also refer to this as an anaerobic/dysaerobic imbalance. This is related to the mix of fatty acids and sterols on cell membrane walls. If these fatty acids and sterols go askew it will affect cell membrane permeability so what goes in does not necessarily get assimilated the way it should. Moving PH To get a quick " average " pH, you can measure yourself two hours after breakfast and two hours after lunch. Do this over a period of days and get your average numbers. Then use this formula: (Urine pH ____ + (Saliva pH X 2 ___ ) ) / Divided by 3 = ____ Average pH Between 6 and 7 Some practitioners suggest that if your average pH is between 6 and 7, you can just use the neutral calciums of gluconate and orotate to build up your total alkalinity along with other minerals and trace minerals. Average pH Above 7 If your pH is above 7, it is possible that vitamin C (ascorbic acid) can be useful. Clinicians have found about 1000mg twice a day of C is good, and the higher above pH 7 you go (especially if this is the urine #), the more vitamin C you can take. Vitamin D is contraindicated. NOTE: You should note that it is entirely possible to be too alkaline. Many go around and say alkalize, alkalize, alkalize, but they fail to point out that there is a flip side to everything. Being too alkaline presents its own set of clinical manifestations and needs to be equally addressed. Average pH Below 6 If your pH is below 6, some clinicians will add calcium citrate or calcium carbonate (something like coral calcium is the carbonate form). With pH 5.6 to 6 clinicians have found that adding 1000 IU of vitamin D once or twice a day is beneficial and pH from 5.2 to 5.6 up to 5000 IU of vitamin D is good, while pH below 5.0 up to 50000 IU of vitamin D once or twice a day would be ok as little vitamin D is being absorbed in the acid terrain. It is possible to use vitamin D to help push the pH up. Stop the calcium citrate and carbonate when you come into pH range 6 to 7. Pull back on vitamin D and go to cod liver oil for vitamin D requirements. Do not take vitamin C. All of this is with the caveat below. Note: We have not talked about this but it needs to be mentioned. This information should not to be acted upon without knowing a lot more than what is here. You should consider coming to one of our workshops if you are serious about wanting to know this work at an effective level. If you are a consumer and not a practitioner, you should work with a professional that understands the numbers. IMPORTANT: pH issues and what you do about them must ALWAYS be seen in the light of a person's breath rate and breath hold time. The lungs are initiated to regulate pH on a moment to moment basis. A normal average breath rate is 16 breaths per minute. If a person for instance has a resting breath rate of 9 breaths per minute, that individual has a potential alkalosis issue. (We breathe to blow off acid--high breath rate, blood leans towards the acid side of normal; low breath rate and the blood leans towards the alkaline side of normal.) What does this mean? It means that if a person with the low breath rate were seen as having an acidosis problem simply because they had a really low pH (urine or saliva), and a protocol giving vitamin D and certain calciums to raise pH were elected to be done, it absolutely would be the wrong thing to do. So anything that was said above about moving pH needs much more understanding about physiology than what we can put here at the moment. Unquote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Question of the day? If you change the overall ph of extracellular fluids,....does this mean that the ph inside a cancer cell is also changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Ok am having difficulty following this thread. In layman's terms are you saying that a more alkaline ph helps the cancer cells spread??? thanks sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 In summary....a lot of foods that are good for you have an alkaline ash. Eat them if you like them. Some foods that are good for you have an acid ash. Eat them if you like them. If you find that you feel better with more of the alkaline foods, or if you simply prefer them for some reason, then eat predominantly those foods. None of this will cause any major changes in alkalinity in the body. The one exception is the kidney tubules. Maintaining a diet consisting predominantly foods that have an alkaline ash can benefit kidney tubule detoxification, a good thing. Measuring pH of the urine is merely an indicator of the food eaten in the last two hours or so. It is not an indicator for the entire body, merely recent events in the kidney tubules. When it comes to more heroic efforts to alkalize the body you are getting into more questionable territory. I'm talking here about using baking soda and cesium chloride and other chemicals in an effort to alkalize yourself. With cancer, the thing you would want to alkalize would be the environment around the tumor. This is difficult to do in a human without imbibing toxic amounts of alkaline chemicals. Your body will do whatever it can do to keep your blood pH between 6.45 and 7.45. You don't want to overwhelm its efforts in any way. The major player in blood pH is actually respiration. You can easily force yourself, nearly immediately, into the alkaline end of the range by panting like a dog. Try it. If you do it for awhile you will actually feel dizzy. Keep doing it and you will pass out. This is a safety mechanism to get you to stop the behaviour. Your body is saying " Knock it off, Buddy! I don't want to be alkaline! " When it comes to the inside of a tumor, that environment is under a feedback mechanism also. The respiration of the tumor is anaerobic (not entirely) so it produces a lot of lactic acid. Too much lactic acid hanging around and the cell can't divide (mitosis), so the tumor " learns " to pump out the acid and to collect it into little globs which it walls off inside the cells. The cancer cells have to work hard to do this. Things like cesium chloride can help them when they alkalize the goop inside the cell a bit. If you force even more alkalinity on them you might start to hurt the cancer. The problem is, by that time you could easily be in the danger zone for the rest of the body. Also, there is no evidence that you can get to that point in the cancer cells, just ideas that are bandied about. So, eat healthy foods. Don't bother with urine pH, unless you have kidney problems or are currently on a detox regimen. Don't use baking soda (unless you have kidney problems or unless you have low carbon dioxide on a blood chemistry panel). Don't use cesium. Mike shar2z wrote: > > > Ok am having difficulty following this thread. In layman's terms are > you saying that a more alkaline ph helps the cancer cells spread??? > > thanks > > sharon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Hi mike Are you saying the works of dr o young (ph miracle) are basically not true? Regards bobby From: Mike Golden Sent: 03 August 2009 In summary....a lot of foods that are good for you have an alkaline ash. Eat them if you like them. Some foods that are good for you have an acid ash. Eat them if you like them. If you find that you feel better with more of the alkaline foods, or if you simply prefer them for some reason, then eat predominantly those foods. None of this will cause any major changes in alkalinity in the body. The one exception is the kidney tubules. Maintaining a diet consisting predominantly foods that have an alkaline ash can benefit kidney tubule detoxification, a good thing. Measuring pH of the urine is merely an indicator of the food eaten in the last two hours or so. It is not an indicator for the entire body, merely recent events in the kidney tubules. When it comes to more heroic efforts to alkalize the body you are getting into more questionable territory. I'm talking here about using baking soda and cesium chloride and other chemicals in an effort to alkalize yourself. With cancer, the thing you would want to alkalize would be the environment around the tumor. This is difficult to do in a human without imbibing toxic amounts of alkaline chemicals. Your body will do whatever it can do to keep your blood pH between 6.45 and 7.45. You don't want to overwhelm its efforts in any way. The major player in blood pH is actually respiration. You can easily force yourself, nearly immediately, into the alkaline end of the range by panting like a dog. Try it. If you do it for awhile you will actually feel dizzy. Keep doing it and you will pass out. This is a safety mechanism to get you to stop the behaviour. Your body is saying " Knock it off, Buddy! I don't want to be alkaline! " When it comes to the inside of a tumor, that environment is under a feedback mechanism also. The respiration of the tumor is anaerobic (not entirely) so it produces a lot of lactic acid. Too much lactic acid hanging around and the cell can't divide (mitosis), so the tumor " learns " to pump out the acid and to collect it into little globs which it walls off inside the cells. The cancer cells have to work hard to do this. Things like cesium chloride can help them when they alkalize the goop inside the cell a bit. If you force even more alkalinity on them you might start to hurt the cancer. The problem is, by that time you could easily be in the danger zone for the rest of the body. Also, there is no evidence that you can get to that point in the cancer cells, just ideas that are bandied about. So, eat healthy foods. Don't bother with urine pH, unless you have kidney problems or are currently on a detox regimen. Don't use baking soda (unless you have kidney problems or unless you have low carbon dioxide on a blood chemistry panel). Don't use cesium. Mike shar2z wrote: > > Ok am having difficulty following this thread. In layman's terms are you saying that a more alkaline ph helps the cancer cells spread??? > > thanks > sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I guess I am basically saying that. I'd encourage people to spend some time with a college level physiology text and study the chapters on fluid balance and pH. This would be time better spent than reading some of these secondary and tertiary sources regarding this topic. The internet, in particular is full of misrepresentations. Mike Bobby Christodoulou wrote: > > > Hi mike > > Are you saying the works of dr o young (ph miracle) are basically not > true? > > Regards > > bobby > > From: Mike Golden > Sent: 03 August 2009 > > In summary....a lot of foods that are good for you have an alkaline > ash. Eat them if you like them. Some foods that are good for you have > an acid ash. Eat them if you like them. If you find that you feel > better with more of the alkaline foods, or if you simply prefer them > for some reason, then eat predominantly those foods. None of this will > cause any major changes in alkalinity in the body. The one exception > is the kidney tubules. Maintaining a diet consisting predominantly > foods that have an alkaline ash can benefit kidney tubule > detoxification, a good thing. Measuring pH of the urine is merely an > indicator of the food eaten in the last two hours or so. It is not an > indicator for the entire body, merely recent events in the kidney tubules. > > When it comes to more heroic efforts to alkalize the body you are > getting into more questionable territory. I'm talking here about using > baking soda and cesium chloride and other chemicals in an effort to > alkalize yourself. With cancer, the thing you would want to alkalize > would be the environment around the tumor. This is difficult to do in a > human without imbibing toxic amounts of alkaline chemicals. Your body > will do whatever it can do to keep your blood pH between 6.45 and 7.45. > You don't want to overwhelm its efforts in any way. The major player in > blood pH is actually respiration. You can easily force yourself, nearly > immediately, into the alkaline end of the range by panting like a dog. > Try it. If you do it for awhile you will actually feel dizzy. Keep > doing it and you will pass out. This is a safety mechanism to get you > to stop the behaviour. Your body is saying " Knock it off, Buddy! I > don't want to be alkaline! " > > When it comes to the inside of a tumor, that environment is under a > feedback mechanism also. The respiration of the tumor is anaerobic (not > entirely) so it produces a lot of lactic acid. Too much lactic acid > hanging around and the cell can't divide (mitosis), so the tumor > " learns " to pump out the acid and to collect it into little globs which > it walls off inside the cells. The cancer cells have to work hard to do > this. Things like cesium chloride can help them when they alkalize the > goop inside the cell a bit. If you force even more alkalinity on them > you might start to hurt the cancer. The problem is, by that time you > could easily be in the danger zone for the rest of the body. Also, > there is no evidence that you can get to that point in the cancer > cells, just ideas that are bandied about. > > So, eat healthy foods. Don't bother with urine pH, unless you have > kidney problems or are currently on a detox regimen. Don't use baking > soda (unless you have kidney problems or unless you have low carbon > dioxide on a blood chemistry panel). Don't use cesium. > > Mike > > shar2z wrote: > > > > Ok am having difficulty following this thread. In layman's terms are > you saying that a more alkaline ph helps the cancer cells spread??? > > > > thanks > > sharon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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