Graviola

June 20, 2001

I've been taking Graviola for several months now for prostate cancer. Also taking a specific prostate herb from the same Raintree company in Texas. There has been no appreciable change with my cancer. Graviola was touted as a cure for cancer.

graviola

Does anyone know something about 'Graviola'? Probably it is discussed in this group earlier but I missed it.

Gr. Kees Braam

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June 22, 2001

Hi all; I'm new to this list so I don't know just how things work. I was reading through these first 30 some emails and came accross this one that really hit home. I've got renal cell carcinoma in my right hand. I've tried many things and nothing seems to be working. Some of the things I've tried are Dendritic cell vaccine, MGN-3, mega doses Vit-C, Rife frequencies, Immune boosting IV's, Urea, Mexican homeopathetics, enzymes,native ammerican herb teas, essiac tea, flax oil, flax and cottage cheese. And nothing seems to be working, the tumor just keeps growing. I'm qiuckly running out of money, since the clinic I've been going to wants between $200 - $400 per session and wants to do this twice a week. I'm still able to work (I'm selfemployed) but it's getting increasingly harder, since I'm only able to use my left hand for the most part. (I'm right handed) So far all I've seen on this list ( the immediate thread) is the beta-glucan, which I've never heard of, and the

citric acid thing( I checked out that website and it just seems that it's a bit of nonsense to me. Just another guy that found one small part of the puzzle and is touting it as the whole picture).

So I was wondering if anyone here could help shed some light on why things work for some people but not for me.

Thanks Klaus

In a message dated 6/21/01 8:14:15 AM Mountain Daylight Time, sleeper@... writes:

I've been taking Graviola for several months now for prostate cancer. Also taking a specific prostate herb from the same Raintree company in Texas.

There has been no appreciable change with my cancer. Graviola was touted as a cure for cancer.

June 22, 2001

--- Skibelt@... wrote:

> Hi all; I'm new to this list so I don't know just

> how things work. I was

> reading through these first 30 some emails and came

> accross this one that

> really hit home. I've got renal cell carcinoma in

> my right hand. I've tried

> many things and nothing seems to be working. Some of

> the things I've tried

> are Dendritic cell vaccine, MGN-3, mega doses Vit-C,

> Rife frequencies, Immune

> boosting IV's, Urea, Mexican homeopathetics,

> enzymes,native ammerican herb

> teas, essiac tea, flax oil, flax and cottage cheese.

> And nothing seems to be

> working, the tumor just keeps growing. I'm qiuckly

> running out of money,

> since the clinic I've been going to wants between

> $200 - $400 per session and

> wants to do this twice a week. I'm still able to

> work (I'm selfemployed) but

> it's getting increasingly harder, since I'm only

> able to use my left hand for

> the most part. (I'm right handed) So far all I've

> seen on this list ( the

> immediate thread) is the beta-glucan, which I've

> never heard of, and the

> citric acid thing( I checked out that website and it

> just seems that it's a

> bit of nonsense to me. Just another guy that found

> one small part of the

> puzzle and is touting it as the whole picture).

>

> So I was wondering if anyone here could help shed

> some light on why things

> work for some people but not for me.

>

> Thanks Klaus

> In a message dated 6/21/01 8:14:15 AM Mountain

> Daylight Time,

> sleeper@... writes:

>

> > I've been taking Graviola for several months now

> for prostate cancer. Also

> > taking a specific prostate herb from the same

> Raintree company in Texas.

> > There has been no appreciable change with my

> cancer. Graviola was touted

> > as a cure for cancer.

>

> Skibelt

> Why does a therapy work for one person and not the

other? That is the question we would all like to

know.

You might want to try an antiangiogenic approach.

Thalidomide in low doses throughout the day. l x 50

mg. tablet every six hours along with Celebrex. This

combination inhibits blood vessel growth to the tumor

and starves the tumor into shrinking. Not a cure per

se but can sometimes cause regression and offer a

means of

long term]\

control. You may also want to contact

www. antigenics.com and see if you can get into their

Phase III clinical trial for renal cell carcinoma.

Now they have a very good autologous cancer vaccine.

This is a therapeutic vaccine which may cause

shrinking and even remission by selectively programing

your immune system to recognize the tumor and to

attack it . This trial is a multi center trial which

the largest of its kind ever conducted.. Good luck.

__________________________________________________

June 22, 2001

----- Original Message -----

Gerald Oros wrote re met. renal carcinoma:

>You might want to try an antiangiogenic approach.

> Thalidomide in low doses throughout the day. l x 50

> mg. tablet every six hours along with Celebrex. This

> combination inhibits blood vessel growth to the tumor

> and starves the tumor into shrinking. Not a cure per

> se but can sometimes cause regression and offer a

> means of

> long term]\

> control. You may also want to contact

> www. antigenics.com and see if you can get into their

> Phase III clinical trial for renal cell carcinoma.

> Now they have a very good autologous cancer vaccine.

> This is a therapeutic vaccine which may cause

> shrinking and even remission by selectively programing

> your immune system to recognize the tumor and to

> attack it . This trial is a multi center trial which

> the largest of its kind ever conducted.. Good luck.

,

If you are recommending COX - 2 inhibitors, then you might consider

Mesulid (nimesulida) which is available without prescription in Mexico. It

only costs about $10 or so for a box of ten 100mg tablets. It has fewer

side effects than the COX-2 inhibitors available in the US. I too am

increasingly partial to thalidomide for difficult cases. Most of the

angiogenesis inhibitors do not work as a standalone therapy. The body has

several mechanisms to assure angiogenesis. This why you see so few cases of

phocomelia.

I would suggest that when you discuss autologous vaccines you name the

tissue from which it is derived, be it tumor, blood or urine; and then also

describe what is being cultured or extracted.

As to graviola, so far I have not seen much benefit from its addition to

a variety of protocols. At least it makes for a cheap experiment.

June 23, 2001

cures for cancer

From: Skibelt@...

Date sent: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:18:20 EDT

Send reply to: cures for cancer

Subject: Re: graviola

> I've got renal cell carcinoma in my right hand. I've

> tried many things and nothing seems to be working. Some of the things I've

> tried are Dendritic cell vaccine, MGN-3, mega doses Vit-C, Rife

> frequencies, Immune boosting IV's, Urea, Mexican homeopathetics,

> enzymes,native ammerican herb teas, essiac tea, flax oil, flax and cottage

> cheese. since the clinic I've been going to

> wants between $200 - $400

>So far all I've seen on this list ( the immediate thread)

> is the beta-glucan, which I've never heard of, and the citric acid thing(

> I checked out that website and it just seems that it's a bit of nonsense

> to me. Just another guy that found one small part of the puzzle and is

> touting it as the whole picture).

Hi Klaus,

I guess I am the guy that you say is spouting a bit of

nonsense.

How can I communicate with you in a rational and logical way.

I am pleased that you have never heard of beta glucan.

This shows everyone that beta glucan has not failed for you as you have never

tried it.

The cost of beta glucan would be about 1$ a day. Simply search the net or list

to find a

supplier.

Beta Glucan is not the whole picture, you suggest that I say it is the whole

picture.

I have little faith in any of the above methods you have tried.

Perhaps you can elaborate on exactly what you mimmune boosting IV's were.

I will try and tell you the whole picture as I see it, if you have the patience

to read

this message, so you can discuss it with your health professional. Remember

there are

many pictures, obviously you have not read my posts on hot saline injections, or

many of

my hundreds of other well evidenced posts.

Firstly, I would take Spirulina powder to increase heamatopoisis,

proliferation of

immune cell production by bone marrow. 6 heaped teaspoons electrically mixed in

juice a

day.

Secondly, I would take beta glucan (3gm a day) to activate the immune cells

(macrophages). To take them from the dormant, sleeping state to the cytotoxic

state of

activation - something which is very difficult to do normally.

Thirdly, I would feed the macrophages so they can swim and produce

tumoricidal

cytokines. The food they require to do this is Vitamin C. Perhaps 6 to 10 gms a

day.

Fourthly, I would take enzymes to remove the slimy protein coating which

hides the

cancer from the macrophages. The enzymes would be home made pineapple (with the

skin left

on) and paw paw (papaya) juice, made in a slow speed juicer. I would supplement

that

with serrapeptase and digestive enzyme complex.

If I was to miss any one of the above 4 steps the protocol would likely

fail.

You took a couple of the above steps, bit not all 4 steps, so it did not work

at all.

These 4 steps are quite cheap to take. Total cost might be 5$ a day. All these

things are

cheap generic products.

Unbeknowns to you Klaus, I also advocate, peroxide, dmso, ellagica acid, b17,

raw

vegetable juice, tomatoe juice, L-selenomethionine + vitamin E and many other

products,

which may work synergisticaly with the above 4 step method.

Macrophages can only utilise megadoses of vitamin C if they are at a cytotoxic

state of

activation, which obviously your macrophages are not. I wish you well.

moonbeam

>

> So I was wondering if anyone here could help shed some light on why things

> work for some people but not for me.

>

> Thanks Klaus

> In a message dated 6/21/01 8:14:15 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

> sleeper@... writes:

>

> > I've been taking Graviola for several months now for prostate cancer.

> > Also taking a specific prostate herb from the same Raintree company in

> > Texas. There has been no appreciable change with my cancer. Graviola

> > was touted as a cure for cancer.

>

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> <HTML>Hi all; & nbsp;I'm new to

> this list so I don't know just how things work. & nbsp;I was reading

> through these first 30 some emails and came accross this one that

> really hit home. & nbsp;I've got renal cell carcinoma in my right hand.

> I've tried many things and nothing seems to be working. Some of the

> things I've tried are Dendritic cell vaccine, MGN-3, mega doses Vit-C,

> Rife frequencies, Immune boosting IV's, Urea, Mexican homeopathetics,

> enzymes,native ammerican herb teas, essiac tea, flax oil, flax and

> cottage cheese. & nbsp;And nothing seems to be working, the tumor just

> keeps growing. & nbsp;I'm qiuckly running out of money, since the

> clinic I've been going to wants between $200 - $400 per session and

> wants to do this twice a week. & nbsp;I'm still able to work (I'm

> selfemployed) but it's getting increasingly harder, since I'm only

> able to use my left hand for the most part. (I'm right handed)

> & nbsp;So far all I've seen on this list ( the immediate thread) is the

> beta-glucan, which I've never heard of, and the & nbsp; citric acid

> thing( I checked out that website and it just seems that it's a bit of

> nonsense to me. & nbsp;Just another guy that found one small part of the

> puzzle and is touting it as the whole picture). So I was

> wondering if anyone here could help shed some light on why things work

> for some people but not for me. Thanks & nbsp;Klaus In a

> message dated 6/21/01 8:14:15 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

> sleeper@... writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE

> style= " BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT:

> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px " >I've been taking Graviola for several months now

> for prostate cancer. & nbsp;Also taking a specific prostate herb from

> the same Raintree company in Texas. & nbsp; There has been no

> appreciable change with my cancer. & nbsp;Graviola was touted as a cure

> for cancer. & nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE>

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June 23, 2001

Thanks for all the valuable information Moonbeam.

Can you please explain what is digestive enzyme complex?

What dosage you suggest for dmso, ellagic acid, b17, L-selenomethionine +

vitamin E .

and can all of it or part of it can be taken with protocol #1?

Thank you,

micky

Re: graviola

>

> > I've got renal cell carcinoma in my right hand. I've

> > tried many things and nothing seems to be working. Some of the things

I've

> > tried are Dendritic cell vaccine, MGN-3, mega doses Vit-C, Rife

> > frequencies, Immune boosting IV's, Urea, Mexican homeopathetics,

> > enzymes,native ammerican herb teas, essiac tea, flax oil, flax and

cottage

> > cheese. since the clinic I've been going to

> > wants between $200 - $400

> >So far all I've seen on this list ( the immediate thread)

> > is the beta-glucan, which I've never heard of, and the citric acid

thing(

> > I checked out that website and it just seems that it's a bit of nonsense

> > to me. Just another guy that found one small part of the puzzle and is

> > touting it as the whole picture).

>

> Hi Klaus,

> I guess I am the guy that you say is spouting a

bit of nonsense.

> How can I communicate with you in a rational and logical way.

> I am pleased that you have never heard of beta glucan.

> This shows everyone that beta glucan has not failed for you as you have

never tried it.

> The cost of beta glucan would be about 1$ a day. Simply search the net or

list to find a

> supplier.

>

> Beta Glucan is not the whole picture, you suggest that I say it is the

whole picture.

>

> I have little faith in any of the above methods you have tried.

> Perhaps you can elaborate on exactly what you mimmune boosting IV's were.

>

> I will try and tell you the whole picture as I see it, if you have the

patience to read

> this message, so you can discuss it with your health professional.

Remember there are

> many pictures, obviously you have not read my posts on hot saline

injections, or many of

> my hundreds of other well evidenced posts.

>

> Firstly, I would take Spirulina powder to increase heamatopoisis,

proliferation of

> immune cell production by bone marrow. 6 heaped teaspoons electrically

mixed in juice a

> day.

> Secondly, I would take beta glucan (3gm a day) to activate the immune

cells

> (macrophages). To take them from the dormant, sleeping state to the

cytotoxic state of

> activation - something which is very difficult to do normally.

> Thirdly, I would feed the macrophages so they can swim and produce

tumoricidal

> cytokines. The food they require to do this is Vitamin C. Perhaps 6 to 10

gms a day.

> Fourthly, I would take enzymes to remove the slimy protein coating

which hides the

> cancer from the macrophages. The enzymes would be home made pineapple

(with the skin left

> on) and paw paw (papaya) juice, made in a slow speed juicer. I would

supplement that

> with serrapeptase and digestive enzyme complex.

>

> If I was to miss any one of the above 4 steps the protocol would

likely fail.

> You took a couple of the above steps, bit not all 4 steps, so it did

not work at all.

> These 4 steps are quite cheap to take. Total cost might be 5$ a day. All

these things are

> cheap generic products.

>

> Unbeknowns to you Klaus, I also advocate, peroxide, dmso, ellagica acid,

b17, raw

> vegetable juice, tomatoe juice, L-selenomethionine + vitamin E and many

other products,

> which may work synergisticaly with the above 4 step method.

>

> Macrophages can only utilise megadoses of vitamin C if they are at a

cytotoxic state of

> activation, which obviously your macrophages are not. I wish you well.

>

> moonbeam

>

> >

> > So I was wondering if anyone here could help shed some light on why

things

> > work for some people but not for me.

> >

> > Thanks Klaus

> > In a message dated 6/21/01 8:14:15 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

> > sleeper@... writes:

> >

> > > I've been taking Graviola for several months now for prostate cancer.

> > > Also taking a specific prostate herb from the same Raintree company in

> > > Texas. There has been no appreciable change with my cancer. Graviola

> > > was touted as a cure for cancer.

> >

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> > <HTML>Hi all; & nbsp;I'm new to

> > this list so I don't know just how things work. & nbsp;I was reading

> > through these first 30 some emails and came accross this one that

> > really hit home. & nbsp;I've got renal cell carcinoma in my right

hand.

> > I've tried many things and nothing seems to be working. Some of the

> > things I've tried are Dendritic cell vaccine, MGN-3, mega doses

Vit-C,

> > Rife frequencies, Immune boosting IV's, Urea, Mexican

homeopathetics,

> > enzymes,native ammerican herb teas, essiac tea, flax oil, flax and

> > cottage cheese. & nbsp;And nothing seems to be working, the tumor

just

> > keeps growing. & nbsp;I'm qiuckly running out of money, since the

> > clinic I've been going to wants between $200 - $400 per session and

> > wants to do this twice a week. & nbsp;I'm still able to work (I'm

> > selfemployed) but it's getting increasingly harder, since I'm only

> > able to use my left hand for the most part. (I'm right handed)

> > & nbsp;So far all I've seen on this list ( the immediate thread) is

the

> > beta-glucan, which I've never heard of, and the & nbsp; citric acid

> > thing( I checked out that website and it just seems that it's a bit

of

> > nonsense to me. & nbsp;Just another guy that found one small part of the

> > puzzle and is touting it as the whole picture). So I was

> > wondering if anyone here could help shed some light on why things

work

> > for some people but not for me. Thanks & nbsp;Klaus In a

> > message dated 6/21/01 8:14:15 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

> > sleeper@... writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE

> > style= " BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT:

> > 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px " >I've been taking Graviola for several months now

> > for prostate cancer. & nbsp;Also taking a specific prostate herb from

> > the same Raintree company in Texas. & nbsp; There has been no

> > appreciable change with my cancer. & nbsp;Graviola was touted as a

cure

> > for cancer. & nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE>

> >

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June 24, 2001

I'm sorry that I ruffled your Beams Moonbeam. You're not one of those I was talking about. I've been around for quite some time and have run into many different people advocating one or two supliments ( in their line) that will cure cancer. I was reading a few posts on the cures for cancer website at and read one about going to a website. I checked it out and this guy says a lot of things on there that no-one I asked about it ( professionals, herbologist, chiropractors, naturepathes) have ever heard of. That was the citric acid thing I was talking about. I'm sorry I made it sound like I was talking about you. My mind isn't working as well as it used to. I'm sure you can see how frustrated I am with all of this. I've been going to docs, and all sorts of alternative health practitioners for @18 years just trying to get feeling well. I was a strict vegatarian for 15 years, taking $300 or more in suppliments per month. Then one day I got up in the morning and went to the bathroom, I had red stuff coming out were yellow stuff should be. I'm a Reiki master, a Karuna Reiki master level 2. I'm a certified hypnotherapist, I've studied herbs for 15 years, studied acupuncture, certified in EFT, TFT, Jin shin and hold a BS in Manufacturing engineering.

I thought I was doing everything right. And 2 days later I'm laying in the hospital minus one kidney. It had cancer growing on. Then 3 years later my right thumb joint starts to hurts, I go to the docs, they tell me I have arthritis. I treated that with the best herbs I could find, to no avail. A year later that arthritis is tumor. And all the docs. wanted to do was amputate my hand. I've been doing many things that the alternative docs have had success with, and found no help. Now I must admit that lately the things I've tried I've done half heartedly because I've lost faith in all the methods that I've found so far. I'm very sceptical about the new things.

One of the problems I see is that I'm alone in this endevor. I've read in many places that people with existing support systems (family friends) have some where around 80% better chance of beating cancer than do people without. I'm one of those people without. I tried starting a support group for people that are going through alterative therapies. (This is something I see as a big problem. The medical industry has brainwashed everyone so badly that if you even mension cancer the only thing that comes out of peoples mouths is "chemotherapy". and everyone tries to push their loved ones into this.) Well needless to say the support group never came to be. I got 2 calls but nether one of them was really interested in doing it.

Moonbeam, I really apreciate all the information you've given me here, I'll print it out study it closer. thanks Klaus

In a message dated 6/23/01 7:01:14 PM Mountain Daylight Time, moonbeam@... writes:

> I've got renal cell carcinoma in my right hand. I've

> tried many things and nothing seems to be working. Some of the things I've

> tried are Dendritic cell vaccine, MGN-3, mega doses Vit-C, Rife

> frequencies, Immune boosting IV's, Urea, Mexican homeopathetics,

> enzymes,native ammerican herb teas, essiac tea, flax oil, flax and cottage

> cheese. since the clinic I've been going to

> wants between $200 - $400 >So far all I've seen on this list ( the immediate thread)

> is the beta-glucan, which I've never heard of, and the citric acid thing(

> I checked out that website and it just seems that it's a bit of nonsense

> to me. Just another guy that found one small part of the puzzle and is

> touting it as the whole picture).

Hi Klaus,

I guess I am the guy that you say is spouting a bit of nonsense.

How can I communicate with you in a rational and logical way.

I am pleased that you have never heard of beta glucan.

This shows everyone that beta glucan has not failed for you as you have never tried it.

The cost of beta glucan would be about 1$ a day. Simply search the net or list to find a supplier.

Beta Glucan is not the whole picture, you suggest that I say it is the whole picture.

I have little faith in any of the above methods you have tried. Perhaps you can elaborate on exactly what you mimmune boosting IV's were.

I will try and tell you the whole picture as I see it, if you have the patience to read this message, so you can discuss it with your health professional. Remember there are many pictures, obviously you have not read my posts on hot saline injections, or many of my hundreds of other well evidenced posts.

Firstly, I would take Spirulina powder to increase heamatopoisis, proliferation of immune cell production by bone marrow. 6 heaped teaspoons electrically mixed in juice a day.

Secondly, I would take beta glucan (3gm a day) to activate the immune cells (macrophages). To take them from the dormant, sleeping state to the cytotoxic state of activation - something which is very difficult to do normally.

Thirdly, I would feed the macrophages so they can swim and produce tumoricidal cytokines. The food they require to do this is Vitamin C. Perhaps 6 to 10 gms a day.

Fourthly, I would take enzymes to remove the slimy protein coating which hides the cancer from the macrophages. The enzymes would be home made pineapple (with the skin left on) and paw paw (papaya) juice, made in a slow speed juicer. I would supplement that with serrapeptase and digestive enzyme complex.

If I was to miss any one of the above 4 steps the protocol would likely fail.

You took a couple of the above steps, bit not all 4 steps, so it did not work at all. These 4 steps are quite cheap to take. Total cost might be 5$ a day. All these things are cheap generic products.

Unbeknowns to you Klaus, I also advocate, peroxide, dmso, ellagica acid, b17, raw vegetable juice, tomatoe juice, L-selenomethionine + vitamin E and many other products, which may work synergisticaly with the above 4 step method.

Macrophages can only utilise megadoses of vitamin C if they are at a cytotoxic state of activation, which obviously your macrophages are not. I wish you well.

moonbeam

June 26, 2001