Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Amazon herbs is the one most alt care people I know recomend . It is called garavizon. I do know that it can really toxify your liver, and that is probably good. It means it is likely working but you need to keep that liver clean. If it goes nothing else matters. Glutathione is a master antioxidant, detoxifier and immune system builder. I know you may think this strange and I do myself,but, after taking graviola about 2-3 weeks I felt a very gentle pulse where the cancer was... No one could explain it ,and I wasn't sure that is what was doing it but a local lady took it and the same happened to her. It really scared her . She didn't know what was doing it untill we started talking and I found out she was also taking Graviola.But haven't heard that from anyone else. I had some of the gravizon but mostly got mine from eBay. And sometimes you can find a good deal on Immunocal on eBay. Dennis i just saw that Vitaminshoppe carries Graviola , by a company called Maximun International. .750 mg Leaf/powder. It would be convenient to pick it up there, instead of ordering it. Anyone know how this product compares with others? They all claim they are the " best " Also how mcuh would one take, re cancer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Everything I've read has said that Paw Paw is, by far, the best of the low ATP herbs. Why mess with graviola at all? > > i just saw that Vitaminshoppe carries Graviola , by a company called > Maximun International..750 mg Leaf/powder. It would be convenient to > pick it up there, instead of ordering it. > Anyone know how this product compares with others? They all claim they > are the " best " > Also how mcuh would one take, re cancer? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I take the following along with LDN and chemo. The supplements were prescribed by a Integrative Oncologist www.gaynoroncology.com <http://www.gaynoroncology.com/> for my specific cancer (rectal with liver, sacral and lung mets). 2 months after starting the protocol, the rectal, sacrum and lungs no longer showed on a PET and the liver remained stable. I just added LDN a couple of weeks ago, but that wasn’t something that this Oncologist prescribed I have also attached an LDN fact sheet that I requested and received directly from the manufacturer of LDN (Barr Labs). Remember their contraindications are based on a dosage of 50mg. 4.5mg is nothing. -Jarrow Reseveratrol 100mg per day -Solgar b12 500mg per day -Solgar Grape Seed Extract 100mg per day -Doctors Best Flucoidan 1 capsule per day -Completely Green Embryo (wheat Germ Extract) – 2 capsules per day (can only purchase at this store in NYC http://www.vitahealthrx.com <http://www.vitahealthrx.com/> . All other “Completely Green Products are only available at that store. They ship for free. I would only buy Completely Green products there and buy the others wherever you find the best price online. Tell them you are a patient of Dr Gaynor and they should discount by about 10%. Its possible the Doctor contracted with a manufacturer in Europe (from Bulgaria) so that he can ensure purity. Completely Green Pectin – 2 caps per day Completely Green Rosemaria – 2 caps per day Completely Green Shitake – 2 caps per day Completely Green Immunal – 2 caps per day Completely Green Phytoformula – 1 scoop per day mized with juice Completely Green Red Formula – 1 scoop per day mixed with juice AVE wheat Germ extract – 1 teaspoon per day mixed with juice Maitake D Fraction 6000mg – 25 drops in juice twice a day Solgar Selenium – 200mcg per day PeakImmune4 – 2 caps, twice per day Pure Encapsulations Vitamin D – 1000mg per day Jarrow Alpha Lipoic Acid (w/Biotin) – 300mg per day Nordic Naturals PRO Efa – 1 cap per day . Nutricology Russian Choice GI – 1 cap per day Co-E1 NADH – 1 cap per day New Chapter Zyflamed – 2 cap 2 times per day NOW L-Carnitine 500mg – 1 cap per day 2-3 cups of green tea per day Fresh Vegetable Juice Recipe (doctor recommended 3x per week, I do at least 2x per day) 1 Beat 2 carrots 2 celery stalks 1 apple ½ cup watercress ½ cup broccoli Other things I take that were recommended by others -PAN alone – a very high potency proteolytic enzyme that includes a Pancreatic Concentrate and Chymotripsin. Can only be purchased at (www.designsforhealth.com) Dr. Gaynor recommended Wobenzyme but I decided to take this instead. 1 capsule is supposed to be the equivalent of 70 Wobenzyme capsules! (recommended by an integrative MD who used to work in the Acupuncture department at Sloan Kettering. I take 1 capsule 1 hour before every meal and 1 at bedtime. - PEKANA Basic Detox and Drainage Kit – 25 drops of each tincture 2x per day to detox the body -Cimetidine (generic Tagamet) – 400mg 2x per day (morning and evening) – Studies have shown that this helps slow the growth of tumors. A top colorectal surgeon at Columbia Presbyterian recommended this to me (an Americas Top Dr in NY Magazine and Castle Connolly) - Graviola – Did my own research on this one: http://www.graviolaleaves.com/. I use a brand Maximum International Graviola 750 available at Vitamin Shop online - Nutraceutical AHCC – 1000mg (2 caps) at least 1 time per day - Whey protein shake – at least once per day. Try to limit tropical fruits (that have a high sugar content). I add frozen berries and Organic Soy or Rice Milk - Low Dose Naltrexone (read about it here <http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/> www.low dose naltrexone.org – just started taking. Needs to be prescribed by a physician and you should have filled by a reliable pharmacy. The website gives physicians and pharmacies that prescribe through phone consults if one isn’t neat you. Insurance usually covers this (I have Express Scripts) - A LOT OF PRAYER and GUIDED IMAGERY It’s a lot of stuff and it isn’t cheap (must be about roughly $700 per month), but what is the alternative? Let me know if you have any questions. My body easily tolerates this stuff and have zero symptoms of disease, only very little GI symptoms from chemo . Notice that its all food based and since they are recommended by an Oncologist who also integrates this with chemo, there are no contraindications (at least with the chemo I am taking). If you want suggestions on where to get the lowest price for any of the items, please let me know. I am a pro at finding the lowest price on the web. Regards dan _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of bk4529@... Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: [ ] Graviola Can anyone tell me their thoughts on graviola and bladder cancer? Can this be used along with LDN? Have any of you used it or would you recommend it? Where would you suggest buying it? Any other thoughts would greatly be appreciated as to what I can do to heal my body. I've been on LDN for four months now, juice at times, eat healthy most of the time. My life is still stressful, there's no way out of that. I've done the liver flush along with the gall bladder cleanse, kidney cleanse. I think I've mentioned before that I don't have health insurance, we live on social security. Are there any supplements that would help along with the herbs and the LDN? Barbara **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. 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Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Dear Barbara, you may use immunocal too but may be quite expensive..also please mail tradeproducts@... attn.dennis may who cured his colon C successfully he will help you too. pls read the extract of his positng. You know common sense and some research helps a lot. When I found out I had cancer I started doing a lot of research on the net and elsewhere. I asked a lot of questions to Dr's and nature-paths alike. And from what I could find it appears that... (1) Cancer thrives in an acid environment (2) It uses or feeds on glucose or sugar. (Pet-scan looks for high glucose activity and is the best way to find cancer) (3) Most with it have a compromised immune system. (4) And I needed things that would attack the cancer, (5) Keep the liver clean (If the herbs etc are working they will load up your liver with toxins) So... (1) I worked on getting my body pH from about 3 to between 6 -6.5 Bought or bartered for a Jupiter Alkaline filter and did a more alkaline diet. Including a lot of juicing. And since the Juices were somewhat sugary even though natural I added some graviola tincture with hopes that the graviola itself would do it's job but also that the sugar in the juice would help the cancer suck it in with the juice glucose. (2)Avoided sugar and artificial sweeteners , because as probably everyone here knows the story on aspartame and that splenda it 1 molecule sugar and 2 of chlorine. So stevia was a good alternative, and now when I taste anything with sugar it taste too sweet . Stevia is actually good for people with diabetes. (3)I worked on eating better and more fruits and especially veggies and used graviola, in pills and tincture. (4) Immunocal , as a master antioxidant , immune system builder and detoxifier. Then... After going to two different alternative care folks , they helped me find out what my body was , basically, asking for in other things like cesium (small 1-2 teaspoons) and magnesium. And when to stop using it was important information from them. (5) Emotional release, different ways. EFT B.E.S.T etc. (6) Magna Pulse Many of these things I got done via barter , I am in 4 different barter exchanges and they have helped me so much to get the things I could not otherwise afford. But the first 5 things above seem the basics for me and there are so many others things we can do , and if they work for some folks, we can afford them,they do no harm and they seem logical (do some research) Why not try them ,use a shotgun on cancer ... It does on us!!! Kill the little suckers before they do us !! All this was AFTER I did 5 weeks radiation and 11 days chemo (They took me off because it was killing me, lost 15# in 7 days) They said the cancer was still there at that point and that if I didn't have the lower part of my colon removed , and my butt sowed up and then more treatment, that I would die! I didn't and 1 1/2 later after that I am here and doing pretty good. In fact the radiation and chemo have given me more problems than the cancer did. One final note however , I would never tell anyone NOT to take chemo or radiation, myself. To me it was part of the shotgun blast to kill the cancer. My teeth hurt from recessed gums from the chemo and a few other problems but, I am alive , cancer free and doing well!! Dennis ________________________________ From: " bk4529@... " <bk4529@...> Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 8:16:03 PM Subject: [ ] Graviola Can anyone tell me their thoughts on graviola and bladder cancer? Can this be used along with LDN? Have any of you used it or would you recommend it? Where would you suggest buying it? Any other thoughts would greatly be appreciated as to what I can do to heal my body. I've been on LDN for four months now, juice at times, eat healthy most of the time. My life is still stressful, there's no way out of that. I've done the liver flush along with the gall bladder cleanse, kidney cleanse. I think I've mentioned before that I don't have health insurance, we live on social security. Are there any supplements that would help along with the herbs and the LDN? Barbara ************ **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin= new-dp & icid= aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolco m00000010) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 In a message dated 12/9/08, paoladan writes: > The supplements were prescribed by a Integrative Oncologist > <http://www.gaynoroncology.com/> for my specific cancer (rectal with liver, sacral and lung mets) > There is a dog with this condition..can you send the list of supplements that worked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 In a message dated 12/9/08, paoladan writes: > I take the following along with LDN and chemo Is that long list what you take for your cancer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 > > Dear Barbara, you may use immunocal too but may be quite expensive..also please mail tradeproducts@... attn.dennis may who cured his colon C successfully he will help you too. pls read the extract of his positng. > There are some on this board who believe that whey isolate is just as effective as Immoncal at a fraction of the cost. The Immunocol people claim otherwise. Personally, I use the whey isolate because I cannot afford the Immunocal. Dennis says this is a mistake. Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Barbara, Artemisin annua tablets go with LDN. Dee Alejo of LDN4cancer is very helpful about this protocol. This is to show graviola somehow might work. Before seeing an alternative doc, i got a relative of mine on graviola, and pau d arco for a prostate psa of 6.5. In a month's time with a healthy diet, his psa went down to 5.5. And in 7 months time it went down to 3.5. Then we went to see an alternative doc and from then on his whole medication was changed that included selenium, D3, rhodiola, COQ10 and other herbs in a capsule formulated by his doc. But i make him take the following with all the above mentioned protocol from his doc: curcumin (turmeric) in fresh root and powder forms, moringa oleifera - frozen/fresh leaves, lemon grass, cayenne pepper, cinnamon stick and powder, papaya dried leaves and sometimes, when available chopped skin of fresh (unripe) green papaya for its white sap. All this in one small pot of tea which we take the whole day. He also takes bottled organic pomegranate juice from concenterate. In July 08 his psa was 2.5. In Oct 08, we went to his doc for check up and he said the tumors have turned blue (it was red in Feb 2008) which indicates the tumors are dying or dead (he didn't exactly say, he just said greatly improved, but i consulted other docs and they said it is dead if it turned blue). He still continues the same protocol and diet until the tumor debris are gone from prostate capsule which i gather takes time to expel. Note of caution: Make sure your papaya is not gmo. Poke with your nails the green papaya's skin and white sap should generously ooze out, like tears rolling down. GMOs hardly oozes out sap when poked. We get the papaya leaves from rosemountainherbs.com. But we also buy ripe papaya whose skin oozes out with sap and plant seeds in pots. We harvest three biggest leaves with its sap oozing and include in the tea also. Hawaii grows gmo papayas. And also no biopsy was done. I hope this would help you in some way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 correct From: szukipoo@... In a message dated 12/9/08, paoladan writes: > I take the following along with LDN and chemo Is that long list what you take for your cancer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 I did. [check the archived messages] You cant determine which one in particular was most effective so one has to assume every one of them. szukipoo wrote: In a message dated 12/9/08, paoladan writes: > The supplements were prescribed by a Integrative Oncologist > <http://www.gaynoroncology.com/> for my specific cancer (rectal with liver, sacral and lung mets) > There is a dog with this condition..can you send the list of supplements that worked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 vttttt writes: > .. Murray says to take 30 gms od whey protein a day re glutathoine > Has anyone tried MaxGL as a precurser to Glutathione? I am about to start on it for inflammation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Wht brand do you use.. i use a brand that says " undenatured whey protein " , and n acetyl cysteine..but I dont know how much NAC to take.. Murray says to take 30 gms od whey protein a day re glutathoine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I have read about them hiding it too. The more common name is Sour Sop, right? Its got this big bulky kind of fruit. phine > > I have read in the past that Graviola is a supplement that has been " hidden " from us and actually was tested to be benefical against cancer. > Does anyone have any experience/knowledge with its' effectiveness? The product is advertized on Ann Coulter and Newt Gingrich's web sites. > Thanks in advance. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 You mean the stuff that is claimed to be 10,000 times more powerful than Chemotherapy? How can one make that claim and be truthful? what exactly does that claim mean? What is it 10,000 more powerful than and what does that do? I took it for over a month and took lots of it! It did nothing for me but that is no reason for someone else to not use it because not everything works for all people all the time. If I had originally read the 'hype' about it being 'hidden' and about it being 10,000 more times powerful than chemo I might have never even tried it. Outlandish claims have no place in Cancer therapy because it gives false hope. There are many tools to combat cancer but not one thing that is so powerful it is as some claim--The cure. That goes for the hyped fruit drinks that MLM firms bellow about and the same goes for certain other 'things' we might take. If Graviola was so well 'hidden', how come I was using it years ago? Advertising is how companies make money and buzz-words and catch-phrases sell! Just check the prices on some of the 'stuff' on the market with much of it going to the friends and relatives jumping on the Cash bandwagon pitching things they have no knowledge of. I know. I did it and believed some very believable people. Luckily I did not succeed in selling to others. Again, as I've often said, nothing that I took that didn't work, is grounds for someone else to not try. Just be aware that 'claims' are just that so be wary. Earlier I commented on expensive supplements as offered by one's " trusted " healer. The " trusted " healers' wares were compared to WalMarts but that was an unfair comparison because I never mentioned WalMart. I did say, however, since the study discussed rated Swansons as highly as what some NDs (practitioners) were offering at much higher prices, why would I buy from the much higher priced guy? Why wouldn't I buy from Swansons which was stated as being of equal quality? Of course I personally don't know if any particular company rated in that e-mail is really any more higher quality than another. We are ready to be fleeced and we need to be as vigilant as we can. Suspicious? You bet! Trusting? Only with reservation. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 " I took it for over a month and took lots of it " Being a three time cancer survivor my concern is the above stated practice with alternative methods is a common scenario. Why do we believe we can wipe out cancer by taking products for a month or even three months, when it has taken years to get cancer???? It is disappointing that we cannot evaluate what is going on inside, but we do need to stick with a protocol for more than a month to produce some results. I wish we could hear more from survivors, but I believe they put the disease behind them and go on with their lives. It is sad to see the entrepreneurs on the cure sites with links for protocols, with a little kick-back for them. I would hope anyone looking for a cure from alternative products would ask for testimonies, complete with names, phone numbers for verification before purchasing ANY products, this may extinguish some money-seeking vendors. I personally don't understand how any of these vendors sleep so well at night. Anyway, thanks to all of the sincere bloggers who do want to help, we know who you are ________________________________ From: JCastron1 <jcastron1@...> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:14:51 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: GRAVIOLA You mean the stuff that is claimed to be 10,000 times more powerful than Chemotherapy? How can one make that claim and be truthful? what exactly does that claim mean? What is it 10,000 more powerful than and what does that do? I took it for over a month and took lots of it! It did nothing for me but that is no reason for someone else to not use it because not everything works for all people all the time. If I had originally read the 'hype' about it being 'hidden' and about it being 10,000 more times powerful than chemo I might have never even tried it. Outlandish claims have no place in Cancer therapy because it gives false hope. There are many tools to combat cancer but not one thing that is so powerful it is as some claim--The cure. That goes for the hyped fruit drinks that MLM firms bellow about and the same goes for certain other 'things' we might take. If Graviola was so well 'hidden', how come I was using it years ago? Advertising is how companies make money and buzz-words and catch-phrases sell! Just check the prices on some of the 'stuff' on the market with much of it going to the friends and relatives jumping on the Cash bandwagon pitching things they have no knowledge of. I know. I did it and believed some very believable people. Luckily I did not succeed in selling to others. Again, as I've often said, nothing that I took that didn't work, is grounds for someone else to not try. Just be aware that 'claims' are just that so be wary. Earlier I commented on expensive supplements as offered by one's " trusted " healer. The " trusted " healers' wares were compared to WalMarts but that was an unfair comparison because I never mentioned WalMart. I did say, however, since the study discussed rated Swansons as highly as what some NDs (practitioners) were offering at much higher prices, why would I buy from the much higher priced guy? Why wouldn't I buy from Swansons which was stated as being of equal quality? Of course I personally don't know if any particular company rated in that e-mail is really any more higher quality than another. We are ready to be fleeced and we need to be as vigilant as we can. Suspicious? You bet! Trusting? Only with reservation. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I was taking Graviola to stay in remission or at least what appeared to be remission because it seemed I was. However there was progression and I stopped the Graviola and the expensive and hyped Mannetech Ambrotose and was lucky to have been directed to a very knowledgeable practitioner that deals with cancer patients and knows what sometimes works and what doesn't. However one must make the decision when they need to change directions because it is always our decision and once I saw progression it was time to get off that horse and on to another. I did and now I am five years in apparent remission. I'll say apparent because we just don't know and I'm not going to be one that someday might say, 'It Came Back'. With millions of cells floating around it is pure arrogance on the part of practitioners that claim, " we got it all " or " you are cancer free " . We can only say 'apparently'. We still have not heard exactly what they mean by Graviola being 10,000 more times than Chemotherapy? What Chemotherapy? What does 10,000 mean? It kills cancer cells in a petri dish more than chemotherapy does? Why not claim it is useful in cancer treatment instead of hyping it and all that nonsense about " hiding it " . Who hid what and when? As I said, I took this years ago and while I did say it was taken for " over a month " , it was well over a month and while there was no apparent tumor when I started, there was one after I started. Time to move on. I did. What I did not do was denigrate its use by others because few on this list are in the position to verify the efficacy of its use for everyone. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I don't know about the outlandish claims, but I do know that my ND recommended Graviola as 'one more thing that would encourage the immune system response' and I buy it from her at $15.00 for a three week supply. She suggests that most supplements take several months to show effectiveness and says I should continue with one protocol until I see some test results...if the results aren't there, move on to a new protocol. My two cents worth, Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Overall, I think graviola's a good supplement. My notes: graviola (aka guyabano)-don't take megadoses; contains fucoidan and annonaceous acetogenins; most effective w/breast, prostate, lung, colon, & pancreatic cancer; inhibits drug resistance (MDR); boosts immune system, antibacterial; " graviola…deplete ATP energy to cancer cells.…The main supplement which increases ATP is [CoQ10, which] should probably be avoided when taking graviola " . For more info, see under " paw-paw " above and www.annieappleseedproject.stores..net/graviola.html www.graviola.org www.graviola.net www.greenwoodhealth.net/np/graviola.htm www.geocities.com/graviolaforcancer (HSI) www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy2.htm#Graviola www.healthyheartht.info/graviola.htm www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/Graviola.html www.cancerdecisions.com/082903.html & www.cancerdecisions.com/090503.html (Moss) www.rain-tree.com (manufacturer) Paw Paw vs. Graviola: " Paw Paw is standardized, while Graviola is not…video in which a researcher…tested Graviola and Paw Paw…both contain the same therapeutic alkaloid…in one batch of Graviola, the active alkaloid was 24 times weaker than Paw Paw, and in another batch, 56 times weaker " " One mark in the favor of graviola is the large number of variations in acetogenins. Paw paw has fewer different types " Golden, 1/31/09 Overall, I think paw paw's better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Paw-Paw is considered a superior supplement to GRAVIOLA. Same mechanism, but better results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 Do not take both graviola and coq10. Enter both terms into your web browser and you will see both should not be in your protocol during the same period. Take only graviola and add fish oil if you are not taking now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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