Re: The 'Master' on Fasting.

[Guest guest]

Fasting has clinical testing. I was surprised by the positive results.

 

I would recommend using fasting in early stage III or less.

 

Hard to recommend stage IV cancers fast.

 

Simple Idea,  your body burns fat when starving, creates ketones and

triglycerides.

Now your body cells can still work at adequate efficiency, for awhile, while

cancer cannot.

Cancers don't know what to do with ketones and triglycerides,. (most cancers.)

 

Go to this site and learn more about fasting.

Herbert was so knowledgeable about the body it was frightening. His books are

masterworks.

Joe

http://chestofbooks .com/health/ natural-cure/ The-Hygienic- System-Fasting-

and-Sun-Bathing/

[Guest guest]

I'm not a 'Master' on Fasting albeit having completed an extended fast back in

the mid 50s..........extended being 27 days while at Herbert Shelton's Hygienic

Ranch and then two more upon getting home. Fasting=water fasting, everything

else is just a reduced intake of food and possibly strictly juices. I water

fasted.

The Naturopath, clearly one that conducted thousands of fast, Herbert M.

Shelton, and the author of numerous books recommended against fasting in cancer.

Understand thinking may have changed in the last 50 years, however, he did not

find it effective but wondered whether or not it might be beneficial after

surgery. ?? Shelton was also a teacher of Food Combining and I believe there

is some efficacy in that approach and am completely persuaded that fasting, for

most conditions, can be very beneficial and I base that upon personal

observation and the reading material that seems to make sense. Seeing results

and speaking with people helped at The Ranch was sufficient evidence for me. I

never did meet anyone that benefited from real fasting.

To be sure, there is more to this than giving up food. Shelton did not even

want me writing letters which I did all day. He limited sun bathing to 10

minutes daily and rest, rest, rest. Apparently he got very sick in his early

70s and lived until 90. The Authorities were often 'after him' and that would

cause enough stress to eventually make one ill.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Bret:

 

I used fasting quite extensive back in 1994 when I was diagnosed with terminal

Stage IV breast cancer. I used colonics as well.

 

Go to this site and learn more about fasting.

Herbert was so knowledgeable about the body it was frightening. His books are

masterworks.

Joe

http://chestofbooks .com/health/ natural-cure/ The-Hygienic- System-Fasting-

and-Sun-Bathing/

[Guest guest]

The problem with fasting in cancer is that the cancer will continue to

dump lactate into the blood. This will be be converted into glucose by

the liver and much of that will feed the cancer cells, and the cycle

will continue. Along with this the cancer will scavenge glutamine.

This seems like it could go either way. You might slow cancer growth

down a bit, but will accelerate cachexia.

You run into two other problems with fasting. After about 48 hours you

start to run out of substrate for liver detoxification (many people).

In addition to this, people with slow Phase II detoxification will hit a

bottleneck and become very ill from intermediate metabolites of

detoxification. Many of these intermediates are more toxic than the

original target toxin. Lucky individuals, with good reserves and rapid

Phase II detox potential, can sail through this and those are the ones

who benefit from fasting. They represent a minority. Sometimes those

who get ill are labeled as experiencing a " healing crisis " . In

actuality they have simply " hit the wall " in terms of their ability to

detox safely. Providing some of these substrates can support a nutrient

" sparing fast " . Sparing fasts are safer and more effective. There use

in cancer is still very debatable.

Mike

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> Bret:

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> I used fasting quite extensive back in 1994 when I was diagnosed with

> terminal Stage IV breast cancer. I used colonics as well.

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> Go to this site and learn more about fasting.

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> Herbert was so knowledgeable about the body it was frightening. His

> books are masterworks.

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> Joe

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> http://chestofbooks .com/health/ natural-cure/ The-Hygienic-

> System-Fasting- and-Sun-Bathing/

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[Guest guest]

Mike you probably explained why Shelton was adamant about not using water

fasting for Cancer. Perhaps your explanation will put this subject to bed

rather than my simply saying Shelton did not think Fasting was appropriate for

dealing with cancer.

None of this has any relevance to other reasons for fasting but it is enough for

me as regards cancer.

Joe C.