Re: UPDATE to I am in a lot of pain -- any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

Naomi, I know what you are going through. I think stress is a big

factor. Don't forget you are a woman and have children. That

increases risk right there. You haven't said how old you are or

whether you are overweight, but those are factors too. My gb problems

started after finding out my aunt had terminal cancer. Then my

gmother has it too. For six months, I did everything I could. I

changed everything. I avioded everything. I tried everything I knew.

My recommendation if you have surgery is to ask around. Find out who

the best surgeon is. Get a second opinion if need be. Ask your Dr if

he was having the surgery, who would he want to do it. Remember that

95 % (that is the commonly reported figure) of people who have the

surgery come out just fine. I am so thankful that has been the case

for me. Dawn

My diet is bad

> and has not changed, except for changing over to Olive Oil and

whole

> wheat pasta and organic cheeses. So why can I enjoy pizza and

> Chinese food for two years and now all of a sudden I am having

> problems with macaroni and cheese and a small bowl of ice cream? I

> think it is stress – in the last two months I lost my Dad in an

> accident, my husband lost his job, has no prospects of finding a

job,

> he is home 24/7 and we are experiencing a lot of marital tension.

> Not to mention a rambunctious 2 and 4 year old. I think I just

need

> to get away. Thanks for listening.

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK I am ready to make a change in my life.

OK I have survived my " 9 day gallbladder/I don't know what

the heck

it was attack " and I am ready to make changes in my life. I lost

6

pounds in the last 9 days from not eating and dehydration. I was in

constant pain 24 hours a day and excruciating pain at night and could

only sleep for ½ - 1 hour at a time. I could not take my pain

meds

because I kept throwing them up and my stomach muscles were killing

me from vomiting. I could only eat small bites in the morning. If I

ate after 1PM I would get very sick. I never got a fever. I do not

want this to happen again.

I stopped my antibiotics yesterday (day 9 because it was the first

day I was pain free and I realized that I was having an allergic

reaction to the Amoxicillin.) Every time I took the Amox, my heart

would race, I would have rapid breathing and get hot flashes. I just

thought it was from the constant pain I had been in. – Duh, I

have an

allergy to Amox!

Today is the first full day in 10 that I am pain free! Hallelujah!

Do you think it was coincidental that the pain stopped when I was in

the waiting room to see the surgeon yesterday (A Boston hospital

General Surgery Chairman)? I did some more research because the pain

had definitely moved on day 5 from my gallbladder to about 3 inches

lower. Now remember I told you I was taking 50,000 IU (yes that is

correct) of Vitamin D because my parathyroid hormone level was high,

well when I looked up pancreatitis, an elevated parathyroid was one

of the causes. I printed out this page

http://my.webmd.com/encyclopedia/article/4115.20941 and showed it to

him and I told him I suspected I had pancreatitis and he said my labs

were fine. (The labs he was looking at were from day 4 but I was

shaking in my boots with intimidation that I did not argue with

him). Plus this would be the guy who would do my surgery if I have

it.

He asked me why I did not want to have the surgery and I told him I

was afraid to die.(not to mention that I would like to keep all my

body parts and don't want diareah for the rest of my life, but I

did

not say that) He said that was reasonable and assured me I had a

greater risk of dying on the highway. I asked if there were any

alternatives and he said " no " . I asked about the flush, by

explaining that you drink olive oil and he got very heated and

said, " Maam, I can assure you that anyone with gallstones who

takes

olive oil will give themselves an attack and will land themselves in

the hospital and will not get stones out of their gallbladder " .

I

pushed further and said but I did pass a stone and told him what I

found in the toilet at the hospital (a stone) and he assured me that

I did not pass a stone. (I know I did see and squish a stone but he

was so mad I just let it cool down and left on good terms because he

may end up taking my gallbladder out) I have another appointment

with him in two weeks.

OK at this point I am pain free, a little weak but motivated to

change my lifestyle. I got a hold of Dr. Cabot's book and will

be

following that for the next 8 weeks followed by a flush. I have an

appointment with my homeopathic doctor Saturday and hope that he will

agree to follow me again now that I am back on the wagon!

Thank you all for your help and support during this last week. And

for just listening. No-one else in my family or friends will support

my decision not to have my gallbladder removed. They think I am

nuts.

I pray that I can keep my gallbladder.

Blessings,

Naomi

[Guest guest]

Hi Naomi. I am new, but respect your right to make your own decisions about

your body. Just follow your heart, and God Bless. Carol......

Naomi H <parentsresources@...> wrote: OK I am ready to make a change in my

life.

OK I have survived my " 9 day gallbladder/I don't know what

the heck

it was attack " and I am ready to make changes in my life. I lost

6

pounds in the last 9 days from not eating and dehydration. I was in

constant pain 24 hours a day and excruciating pain at night and could

only sleep for ½ - 1 hour at a time. I could not take my pain

meds

because I kept throwing them up and my stomach muscles were killing

me from vomiting. I could only eat small bites in the morning. If I

ate after 1PM I would get very sick. I never got a fever. I do not

want this to happen again.

I stopped my antibiotics yesterday (day 9 because it was the first

day I was pain free and I realized that I was having an allergic

reaction to the Amoxicillin.) Every time I took the Amox, my heart

would race, I would have rapid breathing and get hot flashes. I just

thought it was from the constant pain I had been in. – Duh, I

have an

allergy to Amox!

Today is the first full day in 10 that I am pain free! Hallelujah!

Do you think it was coincidental that the pain stopped when I was in

the waiting room to see the surgeon yesterday (A Boston hospital

General Surgery Chairman)? I did some more research because the pain

had definitely moved on day 5 from my gallbladder to about 3 inches

lower. Now remember I told you I was taking 50,000 IU (yes that is

correct) of Vitamin D because my parathyroid hormone level was high,

well when I looked up pancreatitis, an elevated parathyroid was one

of the causes. I printed out this page

http://my.webmd.com/encyclopedia/article/4115.20941 and showed it to

him and I told him I suspected I had pancreatitis and he said my labs

were fine. (The labs he was looking at were from day 4 but I was

shaking in my boots with intimidation that I did not argue with

him). Plus this would be the guy who would do my surgery if I have

it.

He asked me why I did not want to have the surgery and I told him I

was afraid to die.(not to mention that I would like to keep all my

body parts and don't want diareah for the rest of my life, but I

did

not say that) He said that was reasonable and assured me I had a

greater risk of dying on the highway. I asked if there were any

alternatives and he said " no " . I asked about the flush, by

explaining that you drink olive oil and he got very heated and

said, " Maam, I can assure you that anyone with gallstones who

takes

olive oil will give themselves an attack and will land themselves in

the hospital and will not get stones out of their gallbladder " .

I

pushed further and said but I did pass a stone and told him what I

found in the toilet at the hospital (a stone) and he assured me that

I did not pass a stone. (I know I did see and squish a stone but he

was so mad I just let it cool down and left on good terms because he

may end up taking my gallbladder out) I have another appointment

with him in two weeks.

OK at this point I am pain free, a little weak but motivated to

change my lifestyle. I got a hold of Dr. Cabot's book and will

be

following that for the next 8 weeks followed by a flush. I have an

appointment with my homeopathic doctor Saturday and hope that he will

agree to follow me again now that I am back on the wagon!

Thank you all for your help and support during this last week. And

for just listening. No-one else in my family or friends will support

my decision not to have my gallbladder removed. They think I am

nuts.

I pray that I can keep my gallbladder.

Blessings,

Naomi

[Guest guest]

Naomi,

So glad you are feeling better and determined to save

that gallbladder. Maybe the doctor mentioned it, but if

you are allergic to Amoxicillin, you are also allergic to

Penicillen and anything related to it...make sure you

always tell any doctor you go to that, as each time you

are exposed to an antibiotic you are allergic to, your

reaction is inclined to become more severe. Keep

us posted on your progress on the road to good health!

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://www.mynsp.com/web/meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

--- In gallstones@y..., Adrienne McLaughlin <adriennelynn1@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Naomi,

> IMO, your pain, if it is a GB attack, is caused by a stone that is

trying to pass, either out of your GB, or it's stuck in one of the

ducts. The relief you're experiencing is because you have passed the

offending stone, or it has dropped back into your GB. Pressure caused

by bile trying to pass around a stone is what causes the pain. If

stones are stuck in the bile ducts, my experience has been that the

liver cleanse will flush them out. It was painless.

Hi Adrienne,

Thank you for your post. I agree I probably had a stone stuck in the

beginning. I may have had a stone stuck from day 1 to 3 but the

night of day 3 I massaged the heck out of my gallbladder and things

did move. But that night -- 6 hours after massaging, I landed myself

in the hospital in excrutiating pain. 12 hours after massaging I had

an ultrasound that showed normal everything, and gallstones. I had

elevated white blood cells showing the start of an infection which is

why I was put on antibiotics. I am convinced that by massaging my

gallbladder during an attack I squished whatever was or could have

been stuck and left all that smelly guck which was released from the

gallstone to irritate and infect my ducts. That is just my opinion.

When I was able to observe a passed stone in my BM it floated and had

an outer shell. But the shell was not too hard. I was easily able to

crush it -- like a warm M & M candy -- do you know what I mean? And it

smelled nasty which indicated to me it contained bacteria.

So my conclusion is based on the fact that the begining of my pain

for the first 3 days was caused by a stuck stone, the 3rd night was

caused by an infection that I caused by massaging and crushing stones

and the 4th and 5th day I got better. But day 6 through 9 I was

worse again as the pain moved lower, it was not in my gallbladder but

was just as intense indicating that something else was at work which

is when I suspect I had pancreatitis which was undiagnosed because I

was at home and I did not see the doctor again until the afternoon of

day 9 when I saw the sergeon.

I hope my experience helps someone else. I am not sure what I would

have done differently, I guess I would have gone back to the hospital

near the end to see if it was pancreatitis.

I am sore again, so I hope it does not start again. I am doing the

Liver Cleansing Diet, which is no dairy (very hard for me), no suger

(very hard) and lots of fruits (not a problem) and vegetables (harder

for me). Any suggestions for someone who really does not like carrot

juice for the juicing part of this diet? I was thinking of trying

celery juice with apple juice and see if that helps the taste but

carrot is definitely out of the question.

Take care all and thanks again for your kind support.

Naomi

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am sore again, so I hope it does not start again. I am doing the

Liver Cleansing Diet, which is no dairy (very hard for me), no suger

(very hard) and lots of fruits (not a problem) and vegetables (harder

for me). Any suggestions for someone who really does not like carrot

juice for the juicing part of this diet? I was thinking of trying

celery juice with apple juice and see if that helps the taste but

carrot is definitely out of the question.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have used a juice drink that my body has come to like pretty well. It

contains;

2 celery sticks

1 ounce of parsley

1/2 of a whole lemon

1/4 of a beet

And the rest is carrot juice in a 24 ounce glass.

Have it stained so there are no chunks of anything in the mix and keep it

stirred so the lemon stays mixed otherwise there will be different levels of

taste as the mix is consumed.

This is the mix that I've taken for some years now as fairly regular as

possible. I get it from a juice bar that knows my formula, at least most of the

workers know it so all I have to do is call in and it'll be ready for me when I

get there.

You can see from the mix that it is loaded with anti-oxidants and is designed

for the liver and kidneys. It may not be a drink for those dealing with candida

but in time, after getting rid of it this, is a pretty fair drink to have. It

really is close to one by Jay Kordich, which has apple as one of the components.

Dale

[Guest guest]

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Thanks

-----Original Message-----

From: Dale [mailto:Da_@...]

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:46 AM

Gallstones

Subject: Re: Re: UPDATE to I am in a lot of pain -- any

suggestions?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am sore again, so I hope it does not start again. I am doing the

Liver Cleansing Diet, which is no dairy (very hard for me), no suger

(very hard) and lots of fruits (not a problem) and vegetables (harder

for me). Any suggestions for someone who really does not like carrot

juice for the juicing part of this diet? I was thinking of trying

celery juice with apple juice and see if that helps the taste but

carrot is definitely out of the question.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have used a juice drink that my body has come to like pretty well. It

contains;

2 celery sticks

1 ounce of parsley

1/2 of a whole lemon

1/4 of a beet

And the rest is carrot juice in a 24 ounce glass.

Have it stained so there are no chunks of anything in the mix and keep

it stirred so the lemon stays mixed otherwise there will be different

levels of taste as the mix is consumed.

This is the mix that I've taken for some years now as fairly regular as

possible. I get it from a juice bar that knows my formula, at least most

of the workers know it so all I have to do is call in and it'll be ready

for me when I get there.

You can see from the mix that it is loaded with anti-oxidants and is

designed for the liver and kidneys. It may not be a drink for those

dealing with candida but in time, after getting rid of it this, is a

pretty fair drink to have. It really is close to one by Jay Kordich,

which has apple as one of the components.

Dale

[Guest guest]

Naomi, I had to LOL at this comment. I hope it did not worry you. I

literally drank about 3 gallons of olive oil over 6 months and never

once had an attack within the time frame that you could blame it on

the oil. But if I ate pork, or hot dogs, (I know you are wincing) I

had three days worth of attacks. Natural fats are good for you even

in this condition. Dale is the ultimate testifier to that fact. Dawn

" Maam, I can assure you that anyone with gallstones who

> takes

> olive oil will give themselves an attack and will land themselves

in

> the hospital and will not get stones out of their gallbladder " .

> I

> pushed further and said but I did pass a stone and told him what I

> found in the toilet at the hospital (a stone) and he assured me

that

> I did not pass a stone.