Re: Re: Bashing therapies

[Guest guest]

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When someone says " energy " is it bashing it to smithereens to

request a defining of terms, if we are talking about an

electro-magnetic energy (e.g. Rife), compressional waves (e.g.

ultrasound), or something else? Otherwise, the conversation loses

all meaning for communication purposes. Even patrons of the poetic

arts would be horrified if the artist served only vague pap. If as a

poet you said " the sickly dolorous skies " we would want to know,

what? Are the skies mauve, ecru, green, puce, taupe?

Similarly, if someone says " intuition " I consider it an open

invitation to ask obvious questions that no one can assume the

answers to. Is the respondent's intuition better than that of

others? How often does their intuition prove to need serious

adjustment? Is all their thinking by intuition? How do they handle

it if their intuition is contrary to logic, even their own

logic? When did they reach intuitive maturity -- three years of age,

21 years old, or maybe just this morning? Does its accuracy

correlate with the amount of grog remaining in the flagon? If so,

then it can be quantified.

, if someone uses intuition because they have a difficult

time learning or reasoning, they should not be too proud to say

so. Not everyone is blessed with these necessary skills. For me it

is very rewarding to help bring such people up to speed. This task

can't be done with the congenitally mentally handicapped. It can be

done with most new-age votaries.

Slavek,

Eight years ago I made these HCl solutions for injection at the

behest of a wealthy patron who wanted to use them for proleptic

purposes. I can't say that I saw benefit beyond the standard

benefits one gets by stimulating immune function by repeatedly

traumatizing tissue. Almost anything that tears up some muscle does

the same thing. I know a fellow in Reno who was getting identical

results with gluteal injections of ozonated olive oil. I have seen

the same from the erstwhile soviet use of burning the skin to

stimulate healing. If anyone wants help I am for hire -- but you pay

for the cohibas.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

For some it is miracles, for some it is spontaneous remissions and for some its

a daily routine. I am with you on this one.

With kind regards, Slavek.

From: melizzard@...

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010

I think you know that we aren't talking about Rife or ultrasound. Energy

work is in a category all by itself because we are energy. Energy can be

manipulated. So energy workers can access one's energy field to release

restrictions and blockages for a free-er flow and that helps to correct lots of

different things. There is also intrusive energy that destroys. That can be

just as useful as gamma knife radiation if one responds well to such aggressive

energy, which I do not. Actually " sickly dolorous skies " works just fine for me

because I can fill in the shade with my own imagination.

I know you are unfamiliar with working with either energy or intuition. There

are things that can be known even though it makes no sense. There are people

getting well all the time when it's supposed to be impossible. It's the place

where miracles exist ... or what people call miracles. They're only miracles

because the conventional mind says it's impossible. But that's just a

limitation of an intellectual mind. I'll stay in my little unquantifiable

world. It seems to be the only thing that works for me anyway.

xxoo

[Guest guest]

please let me know all you can about you subject in this e mail,

will value it a lot since I need to find all ways possible to us to heal

our body thank you

From: melizzard@...

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010

I think you know that we aren't talking about Rife or ultrasound.

Energy work is in a category all by itself because we are energy. Energy

can be manipulated. So energy workers can access one's energy field to

release restrictions and blockages for a free-er flow and that helps to

correct lots of different things. There is also intrusive energy that

destroys. That can be just as useful as gamma knife radiation if one

responds well to such aggressive energy, which I do not. Actually " sickly

dolorous skies " works just fine for me because I can fill in the shade with

my own imagination.

I know you are unfamiliar with working with either energy or intuition.

There are things that can be known even though it makes no sense. There are

people getting well all the time when it's supposed to be impossible. It's

the place where miracles exist ... or what people call miracles. They're

only miracles because the conventional mind says it's impossible. But

that's just a limitation of an intellectual mind. I'll stay in my little

unquantifiable world. It seems to be the only thing that works for me

anyway.

xxoo

[Guest guest]

I wanted to post regarding the bias towards energy work etc. There are many

books filled with studies supporting intention, healing, energy and the like.

Here are a few for consideration for those inclined to research:

The Biology of Belief (Unleashing the Power of Consciousness, Matter and

Miracles) By Bruce H. Lipton, PhD

The Intention Experiment by Lynne McTaggart

The Spontaneous Healing of Belief (Shattering the Paradigm of False Limits) by

Gregg Braden

The Genie in your Genes (Epigenetic Medicine and the New Biology of Intention)

by Dawson Church, Ph.D.

Chasing The Cure (An Effective Alternative for Treating Cancer and Other

Diseases) by Bengston Ph.D. with Sylvia Fraser

Much of the difference in these considerations being discussed seems to me to be

the difference in Newtonian and Quantum Physics. The healing, intentions,

consciousness, beliefs discussion is on the quantum physics level. So those who

would like to know more may want to check out this material also!

I'm so glad we have this place to discuss our opinions and differences while

allowing the same for all!

[Guest guest]

writes:

" I wanted to post regarding the bias towards energy work etc. There

are many books filled with studies supporting intention, healing,

energy and the like... "

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Each of these metaphysical-associated notions must be either real or

not real. If they are not real then they can be enjoyed like any

other fantasy. If they are real then they should be granted full

admission into our shared objective reality. The price of admission

though includes implicit permission to prod them and poke them and

turn them every which way. There must be a willingness to jump

certain hurdles:

1. Occam's Razor or the Law of Parsimony. Is there a more simple explanation?

2. Carl Sagan's dictum: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

3. Hume's Self-observation: Is it more likely that a miracle

has occurred or that I have been deceived?

4. And all of science expects reproducibility: Can we set up an

irrefutable experiment?

Humans have a most incredible ability to believe most

anything. Nowhere is this more evident than when we examine other

people's religions, yet we put our own cherished beliefs on the same

footing that we grant the hard sciences. We will write and read the

most wonderful books that support our own preconceptions and fume at

the ignorance and closed-mindedness of those horrible hominids who

have not yet evolved enough to accept our obvious truths and revelations.

But then the method of science is all too often flawed in application

by the annoying human foibles of hubris, superciliousness, rigid

indoctrination, a pointy-headed reductionism, over-reliance on symbol

and metaphor, and deviance wrought by greed, the pursuit of power,

and hidden agendas.

I think a good starting place for resolution is to assume that half

of what we know is just plain wrong and the other half should forever

remain suspect.

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

I am very careful of the mind, it is powerful. It can be trained to

allow a barefooted human to walk across a bed of coals without getting

burned. This is not belief, but proven fact. How the mind does this,

is not understood, but that it can do it, is a fact. Many scientists

have tried to debunk this as a myth, only to find that it can be done.

We know very little about the mind. I know it has power to heal me, and

that nothing can heal me if I don't believe it will. I watched a step

sister die of cancer because she believed the tin god of a doctor that

told her she would never ski, or hike or be physically active again

after her treatments. She had stage one uterine cancer, easily beatable

but eleven months later, she was dead of her own choice. She didn't

believe life would be worth living.

Which technique, if any, will work for any person on this list, depends

on their beliefs.

We are just learning our environment. Mankind has only scratched he

surface of knowledge. We just discovered a whole family of beings that

populate our world, and that are extremely numerous around the year

2000. We are just learning how our soil works to give us healthy food.

Our knowledge of the mind is way behind the soil sciences.

While, I would hate to see anyone give up their life, by following the

latest fad. I do know that visualization is a powerful tool, along side

other tools, to help keep disease at bay.