Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 There is a company that carries the Oleander. But I don't know who you were dealing with. If you can give me some information, I may be able to trace it for you. Friend Betty **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823249x1201398664/aol?redir=http://\ www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072 & hmpgID=62 & bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 In a message dated 5/25/09 8:05:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tarus521@... writes: > There is a company that carries the Oleander. > > But I don't know who you were dealing with. If you can give me some > information, I may be able to trace it for you. > Have no memory of the company. ************** We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Is there any contact info on your credit card statement? Also, you can do a chargeback within 60 days of the posting of the charge. Posted by: " szukidavis@... " szukidavis@... sheldavis Mon May 25, 2009 4:53 pm (PDT) Someone had given me a link to order Oleander pills for my dog. I ordered with my visa and never recieved the product..and can't find the original website. Does anyone know which one it could have been? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Hello Szukidavis, Most of the oleander pills are in the form of Sutherlandia OPC. You'll find that site via Google. They are in South Africa. The only other oleander product online is the oleander/graviola product sold by Alpha Omega Labs. They are in Ecuador. This product is sometimes confiscated by customs as Alpha Omega had to leave the U.S. to get away from the FEDS. The South African product often takes 3 weeks or more to reach its final destination in the States. Mike Monday, May 25, 2009, 6:51:53 PM, you wrote: sac> Someone had given me a link to order Oleander pills for my dog. I ordered sac> with my visa and never recieved the product..and can't find the original sac> website. Does anyone know which one it could have been? sac> Thanks, sac> sac> ************** sac> We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld sac> ’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. sac> (http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000004) sac> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 The same thing is said about bloodroot. Cheri > > I sure would be careful with oleander have been told that it is poisonous > to pets and one of the most poisonous plants in the world. > > sharon > Re: [ ] unusual treatments -- extract from shark blood > > > Hi again , > > I have gone through the oleander and I would find it about 1000 times > more sensible route to follow. Latest published study on HIV/AIDS > patients shows 9 out of ten 10 dramatic improvements in T cell counts > and one moderate one, as opposed to controls showing only deterioration > over a two months period. > > http://www.tbyil.com/HIV_OPC_Trial.pdf > > Oleander is free in a lot of US locations and a concoction can be home > made !IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT!, meaning that the stuff has to be boiled > long enough to loose its !RAW Toxicity! But !NO SIDE EFFECTS! In the > latitudes where it does not grow on its own, it is still available in > the nurseries and can be home grown. The professional preparations like > Sutherlandia and Anvirzel are roughly 0.0002% the cost of a chemo run at > roughly $60 a month supply, not mentioning the radiotherapy cost. > A 5 foot plant in my local nursery, which would yield something like 5 > month supply is C$50. > > http://www.tbyil.com/oleandersoup.htm > > Looking through Dr. Ozel's papers with the case reports, rather than > testimonials, his methodology etc. and his success rate of something > like 80% in patients left for dead by the Turkish orthodox medical > establishment, I would not worry about GM-CSF and the whole line of > research if I were to be diagnosed with cancer. One also better take > into consideration the state of the patients Dr. Ozel is legally allowed > to treat and Cure, never mind 5 year survival. He can treat only > proclaimed terminals whose immune system had been already compromised by > chemotherapy and irradiation. This renders any comparison with the > orthodox methods irrelevant. > > Back to Ph.D. MD Koch. He had a comparable rate of success (80%) under > same legal constraints to Dr. Ozel and did his best to avoid treating > his terminal patients any sooner than three months after irradiation > (Chemo practically did not exist during his earlier years) to avoid > fatal toxemia from the disintegrating tumors and to avoid irradiation > tissue changes adverse to the efficacy of his treatment. It would make > sense to me to blame Dr. Ozel's ~ 20% death rate on the same causes of > the roughly 20% failure of Koch's cure rate, that is chemotherapy and > irradiation. > > http://drozel.org/eng/historical_background.htm > > Even though Dr. Koch had eventually begun to stress the importance of a > diet, his early years 1917 - probably 1920 did not mention it. In the > same manner, Ozel does not mention diet and supplementation either (and > nor does Rick Simpson below). This means that both, Dr. Koch and Dr. > Ozel methods detoxify(ied) body on the cellular level and relatively > very fast. This does not mean that a sensible diet and supplementation > is useless. It only means that it is not needed for the disease reversal > by these two methods, as important as it is for maintenance. > > As of this time, the only method which may be as efficient and possibly > more efficient than Oleander is Rick Simpson's hemp extract. > Unfortunately it is illegal and it does not have backing of any clinical > trials or case reports because Rick was a farmer and a technical > maintenance fellow before he run for it leaving Canada. What Rick does > not lack though is the an obvious honesty and philanthropy. He appears > to have 100% cure rate on any ailment so far, although he did not work > with many terminal cancer or terminal Aids people. In his own words: " I > want to see someone who will show me what this stuff does not cure " > > > http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ > > One of my criteria for a real cure, except for the condition that the > cure is diet independent, is its capacity to reheal old scars. Oleander, > as far as I was able to find out, lacks any indication that it would > remove them (which is only a lack of proof). Both, Dr. Koch and Rick > Simpson claim that their cures do exactly that. Rick Simpson being no > expert in the field of medicine can't be expected to go into the > scientific causative reasons for the scar tissue rehealing by functional > tissues using his hemp extract. Ph.D. MD F. Koch, on the other > hand should be expected to do exactly that and he did. > > What Dr. Koch came with was the claim that his methods removed the cause > of scar tissues i.e. encapsulated viral and bacterial remnants of old > infections and that the body immune system, having no more need for the > scar tissues, removed the scar to be replaced with normal and fully > functioning tissues appropriate for the organ. Whether it was quite > correct conclusion or a reversed reasoning would be the correct one, > where the cure actually removes the scar tissue first and then the > pathogen is not my call, but I would see it as a definite possibility. > If both methods (Dr. Koch and Rick Simpson) remove scar tissue cased by > injuries, rather than infections, I would be inclined to conclude that > the scar goes before the pathogen. > > This scar part is actually awfully interesting. Koch's early method of > application of muscular (tissue) thrombin, as documented by his legacy > strongly suggests a possibility of regeneration of lost appendages as > well as repair of scarred over spinal injuries. > > In any case, it appears to me at this time, that Oleander is the way to > go if one were too shy to go the hemp route, as Dr. Koch's methods are > momentarily lost and therefore irrelevant to immediate help. Oleander > and Hemp combined would probably spell 100% cancer and other all other > disease reversals an if I were diagnosed with even an indication of > cancer or another severe ailment, I would not bother with any orthodox > method, including biopsy. In other words, if it appeared to me that a > train is coming while I am stuck in a car on a railway crossing, I would > not wait for a positive (biopsy) confirmation and I would get the hell > out of way even if it meant that I would never quite know it it really > were a train. The Oleander and Hemp are exactly the means to get away in > a good time. Then I would do my best that I would never get stuck on the > railway crossing ever again (diet and supplementation of which the most > important appears to be IODINE). > > Dr. Koch's early extract and possibly latter synthetics as well as Hemp > extract should be an interesting proposition for the research into the > regenerative cures for accident victims, be it post operative or old > " healed " . It has been a long time ago when I caught a notion somewhere > that mechanical disturbance of a healing (scarring) process of an injury > showed a moderate regeneration. I would never find the reference now, > but it does make sense in the view of Dr. Koch research and in > association with the autohenotherapy results. > > My bottom line would be that a real cure has to satisfy three basic > criteria. > > 1) It is diet independent. > 2) Removes old scaring > 3) works universally across the spectrum of chronic and possibly acute > ailments. > 4) Shows no side effects except for the toxemia triggered by the > disintegration of the tissues being digested and toxins being released > from any other tissues. That is all toxins released from tissues into > the blood stream. > > Dr. W. F. Koch treatment and Rick Simpson's hemp extract definitely > qualify for all above. Yet Dr. Koch's synthetic method has the advantage > of being virtually daily dose independent, because it obviously triggers > a self repeating catalytic immuno enhancing and detoxificating process > showing a long lasting 20-30 years preventative effect. This means that > it is the best approach there ever was as far as I was able to find out. > > Oleander appears to qualify only for 1 and 2, but may qualify for 3. > That is to be found out. > > All three cures above also demonstrate the need for a synergetic > (combination of more than one essence) approach, which seriously > contradicts the pretentious allopathic " crusade " for the holy grail of a > magic bullet. A magic shotgun round is more like it. > > There is another not so well documented cure, which qualifies at least > for 2,3 and 4. That is a carrot diet. > > http://www.dietministry.com/diet.asp > > It has two problems though. > > 1) It does not kick in very fast, because its properties are dose > dependent and it takes a pile of carrots a day to get a sufficient dose. > 2) One of its most active scar healing ingredients based on my first > hand anecdotal evidence is lutein. The evidence came from a case of > retina scarred by an emergency laser removal of a fast growth, where > B-carotene supplementation did not help over a six week period after > injury. Followed by a one month of lutein supplementation, the scar has > returned to normal retina function restoring 70% visual obliteration to > 100% vision. Lutein is dissolvable in oil and if oil is not present > during digestion of a carrot juice it is not absorbed. It is also > moderately temperature insensitive, meaning that it can be boiled, > meaning that eating carrot pulp from juicing added into some kind of a > soup with some oil will definitely enhance the quantity digested per > amount of processed carrots. Boiling breaks down the cellular membranes > releasing the boiling resistant active ingredients. For that matter, so > does freezing. > > Carrot diet does not so far appear to be tried with terminal cases, but > I may be wrong. > > I guess that would just about do. > > With kind regards, Slavek. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Would the Oleander (Sutherlandia) cause my dog to drool and pant? " shar2 " <shar2@...> wrote: > > I sure would be careful with oleander have been told that it is poisonous to pets and one of the most poisonous plants in the world. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 sorry never let my pets near it, couldnt tell you sharon From: szukipoo Would the Oleander (Sutherlandia) cause my dog to drool and pant? " shar2 " <shar2@...> wrote: > > I sure would be careful with oleander have been told that it is poisonous > to pets and one of the most poisonous plants in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 I never claimed to be a doctor I am only concerned something that I have always be taught as poisonous that people should be careful of it and that is not an unneducated statement, google it yourself!! sharon From: " slavek krepelka " Please, I have suggested looking into the oleander because it appears to work according to at least three sources..... It would serve people posting uneducated statements about the toxicity of the oleander plant to first see where and how the cure comes from oleander. Is a thermally induced water based leachate......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Very well said, Slavek! ....and for detailed information concerning the use of Oleandersoup, please join the group oleandersoup to learn even more from the many, many people who have used it, with much success. ~Debbie From: slavek krepelka Hi all, Please, I have suggested looking into the oleander because it appears to work according to at least three sources. Oleander makes cure about as much as a bull makes a hamburger. I assure you that a bull is also very dangerous in its original form and potentially deadly, especially if you try to cut out a slice of him for your meal. It would serve people posting uneducated statements about the toxicity of the oleander plant to first see where and how the cure comes from oleander. Is a thermally induced water based leachate. It first of all leaves most oil soluble components in the solids and it changes some components by the thermal activity. What is left in the leachate is quite different than what is in the plant. I have even supplied the links to the original research of Dr. Ozel site, the secondary research by Dr. Marc Swanepoel, and the recipe for the home made leachate called the " Oleander Soup " . If someone actually allows the patient to make his own remedy, that someone is obviously more keen on getting people cured than on making zillions. With kind regards, Slavek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Oleander is toxic, but cancer is more toxic. There will always be some who misuse it or who are extra sensitive to it, but that shouldn't stop one from cautiously experimenting on oneself. I am including an article below, as this just happened to a neighbor. I sometimes board horses for cancer patients. Oleander grows everywhere in Rancho Santa Fe. _________________________ 23 horses poisoned in Rancho Santa Fe Show horses worth about $2 million undergoing serious treatment. Saturday, August 1, 2009 RANCHO SANTA FE, Calif. (AP) - A San Diego County ranch owner says 23 show horses have been poisoned by someone who fed them highly toxic oleander leaves. Debbie Tomin, owner of Rockridge Farm in Rancho Santa Fe, says three horses are seriously ill and are undergoing treatment at an equine hospital. The other horses, including two pregnant mares, are being treated at the ranch. Tomin says workers discovered the sick American Saddlebred horses Thursday morning and a feed mix of sliced apples and carrots, which disguised the bitter oleander. Tomin says someone broke into the ranch overnight. The sheriff's department is investigating. The ranch has about 30 show horses worth about $2 million. Four are owned by the ranch; the rest are boarded for clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Hi all, Please, I have suggested looking into the oleander because it appears to work according to at least three sources. Oleander makes cure about as much as a bull makes a hamburger. I assure you that a bull is also very dangerous in its original form and potentially deadly, especially if you try to cut out a slice of him for your meal. It would serve people posting uneducated statements about the toxicity of the oleander plant to first see where and how the cure comes from oleander. Is a thermally induced water based leachate. It first of all leaves most oil soluble components in the solids and it changes some components by the thermal activity. What is left in the leachate is quite different than what is in the plant. I have even supplied the links to the original research of Dr. Ozel site, the secondary research by Dr. Marc Swanepoel, and the recipe for the home made leachate called the " Oleander Soup " . If someone actually allows the patient to make his own remedy, that someone is obviously more keen on getting people cured than on making zillions. With kind regards, Slavek. > > " shar2 " <shar2@...> wrote: > > > > I sure would be careful with oleander have been told that it is > poisonous to pets and one of the most poisonous plants in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Hi, Excellent, That would indeed be a good warning to treat oleander with great respect, same as one should treat guns, scalpels and information. With kind regards, Slavek. VGammill wrote: > > > > Oleander is toxic, but cancer is more toxic. There will always be > some who misuse it or who are extra sensitive to it, but that > shouldn't stop one from cautiously experimenting on oneself. > I am including an article below, as this just happened to a > neighbor. I sometimes board horses for cancer patients. Oleander > grows everywhere in Rancho Santa Fe. > > _________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 If anyone is interested in more info about oleander, there is group on : oleandersoup/?yguid=329415649. > > > > > > > > Oleander is toxic, but cancer is more toxic. There will always be > > some who misuse it or who are extra sensitive to it, but that > > shouldn't stop one from cautiously experimenting on oneself. > > I am including an article below, as this just happened to a > > neighbor. I sometimes board horses for cancer patients. Oleander > > grows everywhere in Rancho Santa Fe. > > > > _________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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