Re: question to experienced GB....

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Hello,

Sorry, I accidently sent an e-mail that had nothing in it. Let me start by

saying that I was going to do a cleanse tomorrow, and I've been putting my

cleanse off since Feb. 25. For one reason or another, there hasn't been time

or I haven't had problems scheduling, which has started me to thinking, and I

wish to have the answers from several experienced GB cleansing people.

Why must I do this if I feel fine? I know that we're supposed to get

everything out of us that we can. I wanted to do this cleanse closer to

Yahweh's feast days so I'd be ready for the feast days, but like I said, I

did the cleanse on Feb. 25th, and since I've been using Beta-TCP and

magnesium citrate caps daily, I'm feeling very fine. The Beta is supposed to

thin the bile to keep you from forming more stones, the magnesium relaxes the

bile ducts. Then I maintain healthy eating habits. Honestly, I can't eat

otherwise than healthy now, even though every once in a while I get sloppy.

Let me state that several months ago, probably in about April, I talked to my

two friends who've been doing the GB cleanse for about 10 years now. They

both do Dr. ' cleanse method and were astounded because I was doing this

once a month . They both said: It's too much! They also said, once or

twice a year is fine, but don't do this too much. Again, these guys still

have their GBs and don't have problems. Like them, I've changed my diet,

too. Yes, they both eat very healthy, and so do I. These guys had horrible

attacks until they did the cleanses. So they truly understand. Their

doctors wanted them to have surgery over 10 years ago.

So then I thought about Dawn when she just had the surgery and about what she

remembered the surgeon said, Your bile ducts are too enlarged. Sorry, don't

remember the exact words that she used.

Then I started thinking, maybe the time in between cleanses allows our bile

ducts to gain back some elasticity. Does this make sense to any of you GB

cleansing people who've done this through the years? It does me. What if

when we're doing the cleansing too much, too often, that we stretch out our

bile ducts too much. Dale, you might know about this. I'm just asking and

bringing forth a point. Like I said, my two friends are still doing this

after 10 years, so they must realize something.

One of them said: No one has to have their GB removed, ever (that is, of

course, they catch it early enough.) Not everyone can. And maybe in Dawn's

or Barry's case something inside of them could have also been genetic in

cause. I do realize that. In Dawn's case, she wasn't able to eat hardly

anything at all, even just veggies, which is a strange situation to me and

demands some other explanation. Wasn't Dawn losing weight? Shoot, in my

situation, I'm still stuck on this overweight whale size. Something is

weird. BTW, I'm going to be tested for hypothyroidsim, which can prevent you

from losing weight and cause many health-related problems. Maybe Dawn

has/had a GB genetic problem. It's possible.

Please respond when you can.

Susie

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Then I started thinking, maybe the time in between cleanses allows our bile

ducts to gain back some elasticity. Does this make sense to any of you GB

cleansing people who've done this through the years? It does me. What if

when we're doing the cleansing too much, too often, that we stretch out our bile

ducts too much. Dale, you might know about this.

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Susie;

I was told that I too had enlarged bile ducts when they did an ultrasound of my

liver and gallbladder back in October of '99'. I haven't had another ultrasound

since then but I'm sure that things have surely settled regarding the size of

mine.

However, I do still have to watch what I do eat but havent' been as good about

that as I know I should. But, I sure don't go out to eat hydrogenated or

saturated fats contained in the foods I order at resturants.

Dale

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> Why must I do this if I feel fine? I know that we're supposed to

get

> everything out of us that we can.

Susie,

My opinion for what it is worth now that I am gallbladderless is

that if you did a cleanse in Feb and if you are having NO problems,

and if your diet is good, and if you are taking some good

supplements, then you would only NEED to do maintenance cleanses a

couple of times a year to maybe quarterly like Dr. Shulze says.

> So then I thought about Dawn when she just had the surgery and

about what she

> remembered the surgeon said, Your bile ducts are too enlarged.

Sorry, don't

> remember the exact words that she used.

The surgeon seemed concerned about my enlarged duct because he

thought there might be a stone stuck. He also seemed to think that

the enlargement would be permanent. BUT, it may be genetic for me as

those ducts were pictured enlarged BEFORE I ever did one cleanse.

But, I hardly ever believe doctors and so I do think it is possible

for them to go back down, but have nothing to back that thought up.

>

> One of them said: No one has to have their GB removed, ever (that

is, of

> course, they catch it early enough.)

Catching it early, which I thought I did, is the key but sometimes

not enough I guess.

Wasn't Dawn losing weight? Shoot, in my

> situation, I'm still stuck on this overweight whale size.

Something is

> weird.

I lost 35 pounds but had previously been unable to. I think the liver

cleansing helped. I have thought, but cannot back up with tests that

I am hypothyroid based on temperature, blood pressure, and pulse

testing. I also have been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and

have adrenal weakness. But, all that I have done for my gb has helped

improve much of that.

BTW, I'm going to be tested for hypothyroidsim, which can prevent you

> from losing weight and cause many health-related problems. Maybe

Dawn

> has/had a GB genetic problem. It's possible.

>

> Please respond when you can.

> Susie

I have wracked my brain about why I have had this problem. I have

guessed that losing 30 pounds 4 times, eating a low fat diet all four

of those times, and multiple pregnancies, did me in. Maybe genetics

too, but noone in my family but one great grandmother ever had a

problem. And she was a big lady as I was not. But no female in my

family ever had six children either. It has been so hard to read

about the successes and even hear of them in people I know. " So and

so did one cleanse and never had another problem. " Ugh! Oh well, mine

is over and this week, the post surgery test was eating anything and

everything that I could not eat previously to total toleration. I

have gained back seven pounds and now consider myself at my absolute

best ideal weight. I have a follow up with the surgeon on Thurs. And

to anyone worried, starting tomorrow I am back to my healthy changes

pre-surgery. I will enjoy great health and when there is a social

ocassion, I can eat without guilt knowing that on a daily basis I am

healthy. Of a personal note, we went on vacation this week and I had

a thermographic breast image since my family breast cancer stats are

now so bad. I'll get the results in 2 weeks. No smashing, no

radiation, no embarassment. Dawn

PS. So far, living without a gallbladder has not been traumatic. It

has gone much better than I ever hoped though I wish I could have

kept it. But hindsight, and having a good surgeon, I might have given

in sooner if I had known it would not be so bad. But, I wanted to

keep my gb so I did the best I could. I hope everyone success.

[Guest guest]

I lost 35 pounds but had previously been unable to. I think the liver

cleansing helped. I have thought, but cannot back up with tests that

I am hypothyroid based on temperature, blood pressure, and pulse

testing. I also have been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and

have adrenal weakness. But, all that I have done for my gb has helped

improve much of that.

Dawn,

Thanks for your response. You know, Dr. Cabot talks about Syndrome X, so

maybe that's what I have. I may have to find out more about it, but you

can't lose weight. About hypothyroidism, there can be subclinical and it can

cause the same symptoms. Again, I'm trying to learn more about that. I've

ordered an at-home test from eBioSafe labs. You send it back to them after

giving a couple drops of blood and they get a doc to analyze the lab results

and send you the results. It's pretty neat!

Well, I may try a cleanse soon anyway. I'm just feeling fine, which makes it

hard to get in the mood.

Also, you're saying that your bile ducts were enlarged before? That's

interesting. Maybe yours are just that way.

Thanks,

Susie

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That's right. Either it was abnormally large to begin with or I had

just passed a stone since the first ultrasound was taken in the ER

during an attack. Dawn

>

> Also, you're saying that your bile ducts were enlarged before?

That's

> interesting. Maybe yours are just that way.

> Thanks,

> Susie

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At or about 20:29, 07/08/02 (my clock), azdmarie made the following

statement:

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>That's right. Either it was abnormally large to begin with or I had

>just passed a stone since the first ultrasound was taken in the ER

>during an attack. Dawn

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Didn't you have previous ultrasound imaging with which to compare the

size of your bile ducts? That way you would know if they had just

suddenly become enlarged or that had been the static situation all along.

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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I had 2 ultrasounds, one at the beginning, after about the 4th

attack. The other at the end, 6 months later, 3 days before surgery.

Why would anyone have an ultrasound of their bile ducts, gallbladder,

etc, if they weren't having any problems? Dawn

>

> Didn't you have previous ultrasound imaging with which to compare

the

> size of your bile ducts? That way you would know if they had just

> suddenly become enlarged or that had been the static situation all

along.

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At or about 20:45, 09/08/02 (my clock), azdmarie made the following

statement:

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>I had 2 ultrasounds, one at the beginning, after about the 4th

>attack. The other at the end, 6 months later, 3 days before surgery.

>Why would anyone have an ultrasound of their bile ducts, gallbladder,

>etc, if they weren't having any problems? Dawn

> >

> > Didn't you have previous ultrasound imaging with which to compare

>the

> > size of your bile ducts? That way you would know if they had just

> > suddenly become enlarged or that had been the static situation all

>along.

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My question related to your surprise at the dialed bile ducts. I asked

if they had been so also in previous " ultrasounds " ?

If not, then you would have looked for the cause. But if they had, then

you would know that the flushes probably did not cause the condition.

As I stated in my question.

So which was it?

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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Actually my bile duct was DI-LATED. And I was only slightly surprised

that they started out that way ACCORDING TO THE FIRST ULTRASOUND IN

THE ER!!!

That's the way, girl, spell it out for him. That's what it takes!

Susie

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Actually my bile duct was DI-LATED. And I was only slightly surprised

that they started out that way ACCORDING TO THE FIRST ULTRASOUND IN

THE ER!!! This because the Dr thought that the enlargement came from

cleansing, which it did not. They started out that way according to

that ultrasound. I think you are the only one still with questions

about this. However, they may have been normal prior to Christmas

before I had any ultrasounds. But, since I thought I was in good

health at the time, I did not have an ultrasound then. Any more

questions? Come on Ira I am sure you can come up with a dozen more.

And no I did not notice what type of ultrasound machine it was,

whether the technician had a high IQ or whether it had recently been

inspected to see if it was working properly. Dawn

>

> My question related to your surprise at the dialed bile ducts. I

asked

> if they had been so also in previous " ultrasounds " ?

>

> If not, then you would have looked for the cause. But if they had,

then

> you would know that the flushes probably did not cause the

condition.

>

> As I stated in my question.

>

> So which was it?

>

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> IRA L. JACOBSON

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