livatone (liver tonic

[Guest guest]

,I just started taking Dr Cabot`s Livatone and was having mild

discomfort in the liver area.I was wondering if this was normal or if

I should be concerned.It is nothing like the pain of GB attack,just

mild discomfort.Thanks.

Hello,

I've taken Dr. Cabot's Livatone for a good long time without any discomfort.

If it's giving you discomfort, please hold up on taking it. Maybe you're

sensitive to something in it right now.

First, how do you take it, in fresh juice like carrot/celery or whatever or

in organic apple juice?

Take care,

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hi,I just started taking Dr Cabot`s Livatone and was having mild

discomfort in the liver area.I was wondering if this was normal or if

I should be concerned.It is nothing like the pain of GB attack,just

mild discomfort.Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Susie,I take it in capsule form before a meal as directed.I have had

mini & a couple of rough GB attacks recently.I believe this

decongests the liver and thought that it may be a detox reaction.---

In gallstones@y..., Tishri7@a... wrote:

> ,I just started taking Dr Cabot`s Livatone and was having mild

> discomfort in the liver area.I was wondering if this was normal or

if

> I should be concerned.It is nothing like the pain of GB attack,just

> mild discomfort.Thanks.

>

>

>

> Hello,

> I've taken Dr. Cabot's Livatone for a good long time without any

discomfort.

> If it's giving you discomfort, please hold up on taking it. Maybe

you're

> sensitive to something in it right now.

>

> First, how do you take it, in fresh juice like carrot/celery or

whatever or

> in organic apple juice?

> Take care,

> Susie

[Guest guest]

Yes, I was taking Livatone Plus and experienced an odd discomfort in the

liver area. I don't know if the liver was being cleansed by the Livatone Plus

or what so I stopped taking it.

Jeanne W.

[Guest guest]

believe this

decongests the liver and thought that it may be a detox reaction.---

Hello,

Yes, it could be. do you drink organic apple juice? It helps relieve

decongested liver.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Yes, I was taking Livatone Plus and experienced an odd discomfort in the

liver area. I don't know if the liver was being cleansed by the Livatone Plus

or what so I stopped taking it.

Hi,

I tried Livatone Plus and it gave me a little discomfort. I use the regular

Livatone.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Good point, Dale. I was going to tell the person to cut back the amount that

she was taking. Sometimes you have to build up to certain things. I started

drinking Living Fuel Superfood twice a day, but it was hurting me a little

bit around the liver area. So I cut back to once a day, which did help. Now

I'm just taking it every few days or so.

Susie

[Guest guest]

I would take a guess that the " discomfort " you both experienced is a liver

stimulation that happens with some of these types of products. I tend to have

that happen with some foods that stimulate and with my special liver and

gallbladder juice drink.

My juice drink contains 1/2 of a whole lemon, 1/4 of a beet (size will vary

considerably, sometimes), two celery sticks, around an ounce of parsley, and

then the rest will be carrot juice. This is a 24 ounce size which is also

strained so there is no chunks in the mix. I can often tell that my liver has

been stimulated with this drink because of the mild discomfort that I'll tend to

get for around an hour or two after drinking it. But, I can't complain since I

haven't had one of those attacks that wakes one up in the early morning

Instead of taking the recommended amounts you might consider taking one every

other day or just one a day. The fact that you are sensitive to the action of

the things you are eating or taking as supplements will certainly help you in

discerning the good and the bad. I can certainly tell when I've done a no no

with some types of foods.

Dale

----- Original Message -----

From: gingsong@...

gallstones

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:03 AM

Subject: Re: livatone (liver tonic

Yes, I was taking Livatone Plus and experienced an odd discomfort in the

liver area. I don't know if the liver was being cleansed by the Livatone Plus

or what so I stopped taking it.

Jeanne W.

[Guest guest]

> believe this

> decongests the liver and thought that it may be a detox reaction.---

>

> Hello,

> Yes, it could be. do you drink organic apple juice? It helps

relieve

> decongested liver.

> Susie

Hi Susie,yes I drink some organic apple juice,I have been

experimenting with many things to find some things that would help so

I can hold on to my gall bladder,so far nothing is working very well.

[Guest guest]

> Yes, I was taking Livatone Plus and experienced an odd discomfort

in the

> liver area. I don't know if the liver was being cleansed by the

Livatone Plus

>

> or what so I stopped taking it.

>

>

> Hi,

> I tried Livatone Plus and it gave me a little discomfort. I use

the regular

> Livatone.

> Susie

I have been using the regular livatone.

[Guest guest]

> Instead of taking the recommended amounts you might consider taking

one every other day or just one a day. The fact that you are

sensitive to the action of the things you are eating or taking as

supplements will certainly help you in discerning the good and the

bad. I can certainly tell when I've done a no no with some types of

foods.

I will skip a day & try one every other day and see what happens.I

had a mild attack last nite that I stopped from going real bad with

coptis & curcuma.I didnt think I ate real bad but mayme I am

mistaken.I have been eating whole grain bread usually as dry toast

will whole grain cereal for breakfast.I have tried to keep my snacks

to whole grain products.It seems the only time I feel good is if I

dont eat.I also just got super food from Dr Schultz,Should this have

any adverse affects on the situation if anyone knows????

[Guest guest]

At or about 18:18, 07/08/02 (my clock), Dale made the following

statement:

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>I would take a guess that the " discomfort " you both experienced is a

>liver stimulation that happens with some of these types of products. I

>tend to have that happen with some foods that stimulate and with my

>special liver and gallbladder juice drink.

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What does liver stimulation mean?

I was wondering if liver stimulation, if there is such a thing, is a good

phenomenon or a bad one.

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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[Guest guest]

At or about 07:35, 07/08/02 (my clock), jaxborg made the following

statement:

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>Susie,I take it in capsule form before a meal as directed.I have had

>mini & a couple of rough GB attacks recently.I believe this

>decongests the liver and thought that it may be a detox reaction.---

>

>>>>>>>>>>>==End of Quoted Material==<<<<<<<<<<<

What is the connection between having gallstone attacks and taking this

preparation? Do you belive that these capsules actually brought on the

attacks?

Is it clear that this preparation *improves* your situation?

---------------------------

IRA L. JACOBSON

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mailto:laser@...

[Guest guest]

Ira;

I'm a little confused and would like to have a bit more understanding of this

question you're promoting. Are you not able to understand that to stimulate in

this case is to cause a reaction from the liver and gallbladder? In this case

stimulate has to do with the way the organ reacts to the food or suppliment

being processed and because of that stimulation there is a sensation and that

sensation is a gestation of a manifestaion of discomfort.

stim·u·late

stim·u·late (stim?y?-lat´) verb

stim·u·lat·ed, stim·u·lat·ing, stim·u·lates

verb, transitive

1. To rouse to activity or heightened action, as by spurring or goading; excite.

See synonyms at provoke.

2. To increase temporarily the activity of (a body organ or part).

3. To excite or invigorate (a person, for example) with a stimulant.

Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third

Edition Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version

licensed from Lernout & Hauspie Speech Products N.V., further reproduction and

distribution restricted in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United

States. All rights reserved.

Dale

----- Original Message -----

From: Ira L. son

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:18 AM

Subject: Re: livatone (liver tonic

At or about 18:18, 07/08/02 (my clock), Dale made the following

statement:

=========Start of Material Being Replied to========

>I would take a guess that the " discomfort " you both experienced is a

>liver stimulation that happens with some of these types of products. I

>tend to have that happen with some foods that stimulate and with my

>special liver and gallbladder juice drink.

>>>>>>>>>>>==End of Quoted Material==<<<<<<<<<<<

What does liver stimulation mean?

I was wondering if liver stimulation, if there is such a thing, is a good

phenomenon or a bad one.

---------------------------

IRA L. JACOBSON

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mailto:laser@...

[Guest guest]

The attacks are food related.the discomfort may be related to the

attacks.Or the livatone,I am unsure.It is difficult to sort this

out,to figure out where the problem is coming from.

> At or about 07:35, 07/08/02 (my clock), jaxborg made the following

> statement:

>

> =========Start of Material Being Replied to========

> >Susie,I take it in capsule form before a meal as directed.I have

had

> >mini & a couple of rough GB attacks recently.I believe this

> >decongests the liver and thought that it may be a detox reaction.--

-

> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>==End of Quoted Material==<<<<<<<<<<<

>

> What is the connection between having gallstone attacks and taking

this

> preparation? Do you belive that these capsules actually brought on

the

> attacks?

>

> Is it clear that this preparation *improves* your situation?

>

> ---------------------------

> IRA L. JACOBSON

> ---------------------------

> mailto:laser@i...

[Guest guest]

To those folks new to the list, Ira loves to pose a challenge,

don't be discouraged by his posts, reply if you feel up to

it. I'll admit that when I see his name, I hit the delete button,

sorry Ira, but it's true. claudia :-)

----- Original Message -----

From: " jaxborg " <jcal45@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:01 PM

Subject: Re: livatone (liver tonic

>

> The attacks are food related.the discomfort may be related to the

> attacks.Or the livatone,I am unsure.It is difficult to sort this

> out,to figure out where the problem is coming from.

>

>

>

>

> > At or about 07:35, 07/08/02 (my clock), jaxborg made the following

> > statement:

> >

> > =========Start of Material Being Replied to========

> > >Susie,I take it in capsule form before a meal as directed.I have

> had

> > >mini & a couple of rough GB attacks recently.I believe this

> > >decongests the liver and thought that it may be a detox reaction.--

> -

> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>>>==End of Quoted Material==<<<<<<<<<<<

> >

> > What is the connection between having gallstone attacks and taking

> this

> > preparation? Do you belive that these capsules actually brought on

> the

> > attacks?

> >

> > Is it clear that this preparation *improves* your situation?

> >

> > ---------------------------

> > IRA L. JACOBSON

[Guest guest]

At or about 17:16, 08/08/02 (my clock), Dale made the following

statement:

>Ira;

>

>I'm a little confused and would like to have a bit more understanding of

>this question you're promoting. Are you not able to understand that to

>stimulate in this case is to cause a reaction from the liver and

>gallbladder?

No. While I understand the use of the term in general parlance, I was

asking if there is a general understanding on what it means to stimulate

a liver.

If I had asked what the meaning of stimulation of a ballpoint pen meant,

that would not indicate that I don't understand stimulation as a general

term, but rather what it means in connection to the item under

discussion.

Is stimulating a liver a good thing or a bad thing?

You may have noticed that I asked that question in my original email. I

stated that " I was wondering if liver stimulation, if there is such a

thing, is a good phenomenon or a bad one. "

> In this case stimulate has to do with the way the organ reacts to the

> food or suppliment being processed and because of that stimulation

> there is a sensation and that sensation is a gestation

A what? I think another trip to the dictionary might be called for.

>of a manifestaion of discomfort.

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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[Guest guest]

At or about 22:23, 08/08/02 (my clock), L. Meydrech made the

following statement:

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>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT

>

>To those folks new to the list, Ira loves to pose a challenge,

>don't be discouraged by his posts, reply if you feel up to

>it. I'll admit that when I see his name, I hit the delete button,

>sorry Ira, but it's true. claudia :-)

That's certainly a way to deal with questions that you can't answer,

.

Maybe some day you'll find out what you have been missing and will have

more information available to you.

---------------------------

IRA L. JACOBSON

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[Guest guest]

I'm new to the list and have only done one flush. no problems with my GB but

my levels are too high even after taking fish oil for a year and changing my

diet mildly only lowered it from low to mid 300's to 268 so i thought i'ld

try this .

Hello,

Welcome to the list!!! However, if you weren't new, then you'd know what

was talking about, a name with three little letters-----IRA!!! He's

not truly interested in cleansing and that's why, plus there's more, but I

won't go into it now.

Again, welcome. We need new people who are TRULY interested.

Take care,

Susie

[Guest guest]

Glad to see this message , I'm new to the list and have only done one flush. no

problems with my GB but my levels are too high even after taking fish oil for a

year and changing my diet mildly only lowered it from low to mid 300's to 268 so

i thought i'ld try this .

Just think of it this way if we all thought alike and agree on everything . boy

this would be a boring world and we would still be inventing the wheel. so keep

posting Ira , i'm reading

also has anyone noticed a increase in junk mail mine jumped up about 600%

(not from Mo. but " show me " anyway)

" L. Meydrech " wrote:To those folks new to the list, Ira loves to pose a

challenge,

don't be discouraged by his posts, reply if you feel up to

it. I'll admit that when I see his name, I hit the delete button,

sorry Ira, but it's true. claudia :-)

----- Original Message -----

From: " jaxborg " <jcal45@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:01 PM

Subject: Re: livatone (liver tonic

>

> The attacks are food related.the discomfort may be related to the

> attacks.Or the livatone,I am unsure.It is difficult to sort this

> out,to figure out where the problem is coming from.

>

>

>

>

> > At or about 07:35, 07/08/02 (my clock), jaxborg made the following

> > statement:

> >

> > =========Start of Material Being Replied to========

> > >Susie,I take it in capsule form before a meal as directed.I have

> had

> > >mini & a couple of rough GB attacks recently.I believe this

> > >decongests the liver and thought that it may be a detox reaction.--

> -

> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>>>==End of Quoted Material==<<<<<<<<<<<

> >

> > What is the connection between having gallstone attacks and taking

> this

> > preparation? Do you belive that these capsules actually brought on

> the

> > attacks?

> >

> > Is it clear that this preparation *improves* your situation?

> >

> > ---------------------------

> > IRA L. JACOBSON

[Guest guest]

Ok Ira; so much for poetic endeavor on my part the words I used will work but

it's not worth the time to get into that. The fact is now that you've explained

yourself it may be better deserving of an answer of which I would have presumed

you would conclude upon your own gestation.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Ira said;

No. While I understand the use of the term in general parlance, I was

asking if there is a general understanding on what it means to stimulate

a liver.

If I had asked what the meaning of stimulation of a ballpoint pen meant,

that would not indicate that I don't understand stimulation as a general

term, but rather what it means in connection to the item under

discussion.

Is stimulating a liver a good thing or a bad thing?

You may have noticed that I asked that question in my original email. I

stated that " I was wondering if liver stimulation, if there is such a

thing, is a good phenomenon or a bad one. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The fact of the matter is that to stimulate the liver and gallbladder is a good

thing, its done every day someone eats. However, if the stimulation is of a sort

such as one would get with having eaten too much of a good thing, or a bad

thing, the fact that the gallbladder and/ or the liver are not able to provide

enough bile is likely going to lead to discomfort, even if there is no blockage

of the bile ducts.

http://www.taoherbfarm.com/herbs/resources/liver.htm

http://www.vetinfo.com/catliver.html

My worst attack occurred when I was free of all signs of any stones, had a liver

and gallbladder that looked as healthy and normal as anyone could expect, but

had eaten a meal that was very stimulating to my liver during a time when it

wasn't able to really deal with being stimulated like that. I had gone without

eating fats, including essential fatty acids, and without having consumed the

fatty acids needed by the liver to build a quality bile I likely didn't have it

available to deal with the food I'd eaten, which was vegetarian. This was the

worst of the attacks I'd had and wasn't because of my gallbladder being diseased

or filled with a stone that couldn't get out.

After reading about the liver some on the net and then ordered Dr. Cabot's book

" The Liver Cleansing Diet " I came to realize that someone could damage their

liver by not eating fats known as essential fatty acids.

Various stimulants;

http://www.gwwholesale.com/liver.htm

http://www.drquinn-nd.com/dynamic_liver.html

Dale

[Guest guest]

What " levels " are you refering to?

-----Original Message-----

From: Tishri7@... [mailto:Tishri7@...]

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:20 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Re: livatone (liver tonic

I'm new to the list and have only done one flush. no problems with my GB but

my levels are too high even after taking fish oil for a year and changing my

diet mildly only lowered it from low to mid 300's to 268 so i thought i'ld

try this .

Hello,

Welcome to the list!!! However, if you weren't new, then you'd know what

was talking about, a name with three little letters-----IRA!!! He's

not truly interested in cleansing and that's why, plus there's more, but I

won't go into it now.

Again, welcome. We need new people who are TRULY interested.

Take care,

Susie

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cholesterol

wrote:What " levels " are you refering to?

I'm new to the list and have only done one flush. no problems with my GB but

my levels are too high even after taking fish oil for a year and changing my

diet mildly only lowered it from low to mid 300's to 268 so i thought i'ld

try this .

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

At or about 14:30, 09/08/02 (my clock), Abshere made the following

statement:

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>cholesterol

> wrote:What " levels " are you refering to?

>

>I'm new to the list and have only done one flush. no problems with my GB

>but

>my levels are too high even after taking fish oil for a year and

>changing my

>diet mildly only lowered it from low to mid 300's to 268 so i thought

>i'ld

>try this .

>>>>>>>>>>>==End of Quoted Material==<<<<<<<<<<<

What is it that you lowered? Total lipids? Cholesterol?

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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[Guest guest]

I can

picture some on this list whispering with a tone. " IRA " !!!. Sorry

Haahaa! That's a good way to put it.

Susie