Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 Dawn, So glad your surgery went well. After you hear from your surgeon, let us know the info about your GB. Take care, Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 At or about 17:26, 29/07/02 (my clock), Tishri7@... made the following statement: =========Start of Material Being Replied to======== >Dawn, >So glad your surgery went well. After you hear from your surgeon, let >us >know the info about your GB. >Take care, >Susie >>>>>>>>>>>==End of Quoted Material==<<<<<<<<<<< I join in the best wishes for an uneventful and rapid recovery, Dawn. Could you inform us why the decision was taken not to do laparoscopic surgery? How many stones did they find and of what size? Did they find exactly what they had expected, or were there things that did not show up on ultrasound? And a general question for everyone reading this. Has anyone had their gall bladder X-rayed--that is, using the imaging method that was almost exclusively used before the advent of ultrasonic imaging? Did it show anything not visible with ultrasound? --------------------------- IRA L. JACOBSON --------------------------- mailto:laser@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 Ira, thanks. I am sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I did have laparascopic and boy howdy, I am sure glad. It is a tough enough recovery without having been cut open. I have new respect to any woman who has been subjected to or required a C-section. I can't answer most of your questions because the surgeon did not come to talk to me afterwards! I am a little miffed and even though he is kind of related to my husband, intend to tell him that he needs to talk to his patients afterwards. I had a dozen questions for him, He did talk to my husband but of course he did not ask him the questions I had in MY mind. I saw the gb but was so drugged couldn't make much out about it so I hope the surgeon took some notes. He made quite a deal about my common bile duct being enlarged and blaming the cleanses. (However, he wasn't necessarily vehemently opposed to them) It ocurred to me yesterday that my first ultrasound BEFORE ANY CLEANSES showed the cbd to be enlarged. So there. I will ask my questions next week at my follow up appointment. My gb was x-rayed with cat scan technology and showed nothing. Get this. That CAT scan ($1200) cost more than my surgeon. ($750) Anyway, if he answers my questions next week, I'll let ya know. Dawn > > I join in the best wishes for an uneventful and rapid recovery, Dawn. > > Could you inform us why the decision was taken not to do laparoscopic > surgery? > > How many stones did they find and of what size? Did they find exactly > what they had expected, or were there things that did not show up on > ultrasound? > > And a general question for everyone reading this. Has anyone had their > gall bladder X-rayed--that is, using the imaging method that was almost > exclusively used before the advent of ultrasonic imaging? Did it show > anything not visible with ultrasound? > > --------------------------- > IRA L. JACOBSON > --------------------------- > mailto:laser@i... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 Hi, so glad to hear that all went well. I have a question. I have no insurance and may eventually need to foot the bill for my surgery (hoping all these vitamins work, but if not...) Can you possibly send me all the costs that were involved with your surgery? Becky On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:26:56 -0000 azdmarie <nortons@...> wrote: Ira, thanks. I am sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I did have laparascopic and boy howdy, I am sure glad. It is a tough enough recovery without having been cut open. I have new respect to any woman who has been subjected to or required a C-section. I can't answer most of your questions because the surgeon did not come to talk to me afterwards! I am a little miffed and even though he is kind of related to my husband, intend to tell him that he needs to talk to his patients afterwards. I had a dozen questions for him, He did talk to my husband but of course he did not ask him the questions I had in MY mind. I saw the gb but was so drugged couldn't make much out about it so I hope the surgeon took some notes. He made quite a deal about my common bile duct being enlarged and blaming the cleanses. (However, he wasn't necessarily vehemently opposed to them) It ocurred to me yesterday that my first ultrasound BEFORE ANY CLEANSES showed the cbd to be enlarged. So there. I will ask my questions next week at my follow up appointment. My gb was x-rayed with cat scan technology and showed nothing. Get this. That CAT scan ($1200) cost more than my surgeon. ($750) Anyway, if he answers my questions next week, I'll let ya know. Dawn > > I join in the best wishes for an uneventful and rapid recovery, Dawn. > > Could you inform us why the decision was taken not to do laparoscopic > surgery? > > How many stones did they find and of what size? Did they find exactly > what they had expected, or were there things that did not show up on > ultrasound? > > And a general question for everyone reading this. Has anyone had their > gall bladder X-rayed--that is, using the imaging method that was almost > exclusively used before the advent of ultrasonic imaging? Did it show > anything not visible with ultrasound? > > --------------------------- > IRA L. JACOBSON > --------------------------- > mailto:laser@i... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Hi, I had a couple thoughts after reading your post. I had GB surgery last year, and it cost approximately $7,000... and I stayed overnight in the hospital-a lot of people are in and out the same day-which I personally do not recommend. Prices are going to vary from region to region, state to state. My surgeon charged $2,600 for the surgery....I couldn't believe Dawn was only charged $750...that does seem extremely low...but then maybe I live in an expensive area. Also, I've learned that if you pay cash for things, you usually can get a discount. Most public hospitals and doctors, it is my understanding, will work out a payment schedule for you. My insurance paid 90% of the bill, so maybe I was charged more....even though that technically is not supposed to happen. Adrienne sheltiesrus@... wrote: Hi, so glad to hear that all went well. I have a question. I have no insurance and may eventually need to foot the bill for my surgery (hoping all these vitamins work, but if not...) Can you possibly send me all the costs that were involved with your surgery? Becky On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:26:56 -0000 azdmarie wrote: Ira, thanks. I am sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I did have laparascopic and boy howdy, I am sure glad. It is a tough enough recovery without having been cut open. I have new respect to any woman who has been subjected to or required a C-section. I can't answer most of your questions because the surgeon did not come to talk to me afterwards! I am a little miffed and even though he is kind of related to my husband, intend to tell him that he needs to talk to his patients afterwards. I had a dozen questions for him, He did talk to my husband but of course he did not ask him the questions I had in MY mind. I saw the gb but was so drugged couldn't make much out about it so I hope the surgeon took some notes. He made quite a deal about my common bile duct being enlarged and blaming the cleanses. (However, he wasn't necessarily vehemently opposed to them) It ocurred to me yesterday that my first ultrasound BEFORE ANY CLEANSES showed the cbd to be enlarged. So there. I will ask my questions next week at my follow up appointment. My gb was x-rayed with cat scan technology and showed nothing. Get this. That CAT scan ($1200) cost more than my surgeon. ($750) Anyway, if he answers my questions next week, I'll let ya know. Dawn > > I join in the best wishes for an uneventful and rapid recovery, Dawn. > > Could you inform us why the decision was taken not to do laparoscopic > surgery? > > How many stones did they find and of what size? Did they find exactly > what they had expected, or were there things that did not show up on > ultrasound? > > And a general question for everyone reading this. Has anyone had their > gall bladder X-rayed--that is, using the imaging method that was almost > exclusively used before the advent of ultrasonic imaging? Did it show > anything not visible with ultrasound? > > --------------------------- > IRA L. JACOBSON > --------------------------- > mailto:laser@i... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 One, stick with your doctor's post op instructions, and two, be aware that it's normal to be depressed after surgery, and even when you " feel all right " you can still find yourself suddenly napping, and otherwise wearing out easily...which has to be tough with kids around. In a message dated 10/28/2009 2:32:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danielliesmellie@... writes: Hi!I had minimally invasive spinal surgery on wednesday and am currently in the recovery phase,was curious to hear if any of you had had spinal surgery and if you had any suggestions or pointers for me as i continue my journey to recovery.i am only 29 years old and feel really depressed lately that i cant be the wife and mom i want to be right now,but i also dont want to do too much and be right back in the operating room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Or far better, your REAL doctor. In a message dated 10/28/2009 3:01:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc@... writes: Consult your Chiropractic Physician, immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think the self-proclaimed chiro/miracle workers need to go create a list f called " Chiro Spinal Disorder Sales Group " and leave the rest of us alone. All they are doing is convincing ME I never want to have anything to do with such blatant self-promoters. In a message dated 10/28/2009 3:32:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wendy.tom@... writes: I think you need to restrict yourself to comments and not advice. I cant even imagine telling a Post Op recovering patient to go see a chiro....that is outrageous as well as unethical. Please use your educated brain and stop trying to sell chiropractic services...this site is not a sales forum! This is a support group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 It's driving ME straight up the wall. In a message dated 10/28/2009 4:18:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wendy.tom@... writes: I would like to ask the Moderator to step in please, I think we are seeing some very egregious behaviour here. This is a peaceful, helpful site but every once in awhile people get on here with not so hidden adjenda's, I think we are seeing this here. Insults and self promotion do not have a place on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Go away, and sorry, you've been in full rant mode since your first post and are now into libel. Go away. In a message dated 10/28/2009 4:32:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc@... writes: Since when is our forum for bashing? Answer, since began the assault. Read back and learn facts and then, stop promoting idiotic prejudice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 More nutty name calling. Seriously, you do not sound like you have so much as a GED, and if you are a chiro, you are just embarrassing your cohorts. In a message dated 10/28/2009 4:41:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc@... writes: Stop and or simply ignore the bashing. However, yes, I may suggest that the moderator intervene as a few in this forum appears to be growing into a facist attempt to eliminate Chiropractic unless those few stop their unethical posts.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 More nastiness, though not crossing the line into libel. As for learning the legal elements, I got that part down long ago in law school, followed be decades of legal practice. You are, as ever, very confused about law, and I would tend to think medicine as well. Now go adjust something, if only your underdrawers, which seem to be perhaps squeezing you too tightly the way you have them all wadded dup. In a message dated 10/28/2009 5:08:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc@... writes: No. When you learn the legal elements, so far, the toxic spew created by the few hate filled fascists that have posted anti Chiropractic lies is not libel much less illegal. Even though, we have the right to free speech, some will to create hate and as of today, that is illegal. I suggest you drop the Jerry Springer Show and focus on health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 , Consult your Chiropractic Physician, immediately. regards, AQUADC, DABCN From: danielliesmellie <danielliesmellie@...> Subject: surgery recovery spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:30 PM Hi!I had minimally invasive spinal surgery on wednesday and am currently in the recovery phase,was curious to hear if any of you had had spinal surgery and if you had any suggestions or pointers for me as i continue my journey to recovery.i am only 29 years old and feel really depressed lately that i cant be the wife and mom i want to be right now,but i also dont want to do too much and be right back in the operating room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 You just had surgery, please follow your surgeons post op orders for your recovery. Do not go see a chiropractor, you just had surgery, you need to let your spine heal. Most likely your MD will want you to start PT to strenghten your muscles to support your spine. That is the best thing you can do for yourself, gentle massage when you get the ok is good too. will likely give you some good advice as well, she is a surgical nurse and knows very well the Post Op protocal. take care RN in DC > > Hi!I had minimally invasive spinal surgery on wednesday and am currently in the recovery phase,was curious to hear if any of you had had spinal surgery and if you had any suggestions or pointers for me as i continue my journey to recovery.i am only 29 years old and feel really depressed lately that i cant be the wife and mom i want to be right now,but i also dont want to do too much and be right back in the operating room. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 , and are brainwashed dope pushers, not doctors. I am a Doctor. Consult your Chiropractic Physician because, only they know how to manage without more surgery. Protect yourself, you're too young to be medically abused. regards, AQUADC, DABCN From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@...> Subject: Re: surgery recovery spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:20 PM You just had surgery, please follow your surgeons post op orders for your recovery. Do not go see a chiropractor, you just had surgery, you need to let your spine heal. Most likely your MD will want you to start PT to strenghten your muscles to support your spine. That is the best thing you can do for yourself, gentle massage when you get the ok is good too. will likely give you some good advice as well, she is a surgical nurse and knows very well the Post Op protocal. take care RN in DC > > Hi!I had minimally invasive spinal surgery on wednesday and am currently in the recovery phase,was curious to hear if any of you had had spinal surgery and if you had any suggestions or pointers for me as i continue my journey to recovery.i am only 29 years old and feel really depressed lately that i cant be the wife and mom i want to be right now,but i also dont want to do too much and be right back in the operating room. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 le bottom line- consult your MD. best to you. RN > > > > > > Hi!I had minimally invasive spinal surgery on wednesday and am currently in the recovery phase,was curious to hear if any of you had had spinal surgery and if you had any suggestions or pointers for me as i continue my journey to recovery.i am only 29 years old and feel really depressed lately that i cant be the wife and mom i want to be right now,but i also dont want to do too much and be right back in the operating room. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 jarch, You deserve peace. Stop and or simply ignore the bashing. However, yes, I may suggest that the moderator intervene as a few in this forum appears to be growing into a facist attempt to eliminate Chiropractic unless those few stop their unethical posts.. regards, AQUADC , DABCN From: jarcher107@... <jarcher107@...> Subject: Re: Re: surgery recovery spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 3:26 PM It's driving ME straight up the wall. In a message dated 10/28/2009 4:18:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wendy.tom@earthlink .net writes: I would like to ask the Moderator to step in please, I think we are seeing some very egregious behaviour here. This is a peaceful, helpful site but every once in awhile people get on here with not so hidden adjenda's, I think we are seeing this here. Insults and self promotion do not have a place on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 jud, No. When you learn the legal elements, so far, the toxic spew created by the few hate filled fascists that have posted anti Chiropractic lies is not libel much less illegal. Even though, we have the right to free speech, some will to create hate and as of today, that is illegal. I suggest you drop the Jerry Springer Show and focus on health. regards, AQUADC, DABCN From: jarcher107@... <jarcher107@...> Subject: Re: Re: surgery recovery spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 3:54 PM You are also committing libel. judith In a message dated 10/28/2009 4:31:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc (DOT) com writes: and are brainwashed dope pushers, not doctors. I am a Doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 jud, I hope you feel better soon, until then, stop bashing :-) sincerely, AQUADC, DABCN From: jarcher107@... <jarcher107@...> Subject: Re: Re: surgery recovery spinal problems Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:06 PM More nutty name calling. Seriously, you do not sound like you have so much as a GED, and if you are a chiro, you are just embarrassing your cohorts. In a message dated 10/28/2009 4:41:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aquadc (DOT) com writes: Stop and or simply ignore the bashing. However, yes, I may suggest that the moderator intervene as a few in this forum appears to be growing into a facist attempt to eliminate Chiropractic unless those few stop their unethical posts.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hi le, Apparently this thread where you asked if anyone had any spinal surgery was hijacked by the pro's and con's of chiropractors. Sorry about that. What kind of surgery did you have? I hope you are recovering well. Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Okay, now you have me curious. I' fine on the thin part, fortunately, but talk to me more about strong but not muscular. (Okay, keep in mind I'm 63...but I " m still fairly muscular, all things considered.) I guess I should track down a PT though..I sort of skipped over this after the spring surgery, since I was basically just back to being able to deal with everything pretty easily once the stiffness wore off. My main problem was remembering NOT to pick up 25 and 30 pound bags of parrot food sand heave them around. In a message dated 10/28/2009 10:32:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tpowell1977@... writes: You have to stay thin (not skinny) and strong (not muscular). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Okay...I'm not lifting weights, that's for sure, but do need to talk to Back Guy since I was crunching away when I could FEEL something in my spine, seriously..talk about freezing in mid-crunch...but I've got back muscles back, and abdominals, and well.. " toned " ? Or ahh...with a brief 40-year flashback to how I used to look..... " toned for a 63-year old anyway " ? My hip surgeon was amused when, after he said to me " Show me how you tie your shoes " I just bent over from the wait to floor level and tied them. I can do that, and go on to flat handed on the floor..but he seemed to have been expecting me to cross one leg over the other knee and do it. Hunh. No way. judith (falling apart at the seams after 63 totally healthy years) In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:45:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ellijaygal@... writes: I'm not sure what was meant by muscular, but probably that you need to strengthen your core muscles that support your spine, not necessarily bulk up as in " muscular. " I am just now in PT after my latest surgery in June. It does help quite a bit if you get a good physical therapist to work with you and show you how to improve the strength of your core muscles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 AMEN ! --- Babbitt ________________________________ From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@...> spinal problems Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 3:17:20 PM Subject: Re: surgery recovery Excuse me " QUADC, DABCN " I have to reply... a person who has just had surgery does NOT need to go see or consult a chiropractor, I think you have stepped over the line here! This person who did not give his/her name just had surgery, he / she needs to recover and follow the surgeons orders which will no doubt include Physical Therapy. Manipulation of an area that was just operated on could put someone in terrible pain and someone else subject to a law suit. I think you need to restrict yourself to comments and not advice. I cant even imagine telling a Post Op recovering patient to go see a chiro....that is outrageous as well as unethical. Please use your educated brain and stop trying to sell chiropractic services...this site is not a sales forum! This is a support group. RN > > From: danielliesmellie <danielliesmellie@ ...> > Subject: surgery recovery > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi!I had minimally invasive spinal surgery on wednesday and am currently in the recovery phase,was curious to hear if any of you had had spinal surgery and if you had any suggestions or pointers for me as i continue my journey to recovery.i am only 29 years old and feel really depressed lately that i cant be the wife and mom i want to be right now,but i also dont want to do too much and be right back in the operating room. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Request to Moderator: Please expel QUADC, DABCN On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Babbitt <tpowell1977@...>wrote: > > > AMEN ! > --- Babbitt > > ________________________________ > From: prrywndy <wendy.tom@... <wendy.tom%40earthlink.net>> > To: spinal problems <spinal problems%40gro\ ups.com> > Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 3:17:20 PM > Subject: Re: surgery recovery > > > Excuse me " QUADC, DABCN " I have to reply... a person who has just had > surgery does NOT need to go see or consult a chiropractor, I think you have > stepped over the line here! > > This person who did not give his/her name just had surgery, he / she needs > to recover and follow the surgeons orders which will no doubt include > Physical Therapy. Manipulation of an area that was just operated on could > put someone in terrible pain and someone else subject to a law suit. > > I think you need to restrict yourself to comments and not advice. I cant > even imagine telling a Post Op recovering patient to go see a chiro....that > is outrageous as well as unethical. > > Please use your educated brain and stop trying to sell chiropractic > services...this site is not a sales forum! This is a support group. > > RN > > > > > > From: danielliesmellie <danielliesmellie@ ...> > > Subject: surgery recovery > > spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com > > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi!I had minimally invasive spinal surgery on wednesday and am currently > in the recovery phase,was curious to hear if any of you had had spinal > surgery and if you had any suggestions or pointers for me as i continue my > journey to recovery.i am only 29 years old and feel really depressed lately > that i cant be the wife and mom i want to be right now,but i also dont want > to do too much and be right back in the operating room. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I've crunched through it all, with a Swiss ball though, not off the floor. I live near ton SC. In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:32:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tpowell1977@... writes: NO CRUNCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man...you need to find a good physical therapist. Core strengthening does NOT involve crunches or sit-ups. It's imperative for you to begin at the ground and work your way up. Just trust mre on this one...I have BEEN THERE! You will hurt yourself and at least cause a sharp increase in pain. If you want to give me an idea where you live, I can try to help you find a good PT. --- Babbitt ________________________________ From: " jarcher107@... " <jarcher107@...> spinal problems Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 12:01:12 AM Subject: Re: surgery recovery Okay...I'm not lifting weights, that's for sure, but do need to talk to Back Guy since I was crunching away when I could FEEL something in my spine, seriously..talk about freezing in mid-crunch.. .but I've got back muscles back, and abdominals, and well.. " toned " ? Or ahh...with a brief 40-year flashback to how I used to look..... " toned for a 63-year old anyway " ? My hip surgeon was amused when, after he said to me " Show me how you tie your shoes " I just bent over from the wait to floor level and tied them. I can do that, and go on to flat handed on the floor..but he seemed to have been expecting me to cross one leg over the other knee and do it. Hunh. No way. judith (falling apart at the seams after 63 totally healthy years) In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:45:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ellijaygal (DOT) com writes: I'm not sure what was meant by muscular, but probably that you need to strengthen your core muscles that support your spine, not necessarily bulk up as in " muscular. " I am just now in PT after my latest surgery in June. It does help quite a bit if you get a good physical therapist to work with you and show you how to improve the strength of your core muscles. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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