Re: heated vs. unheated fats

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I think I react less to:

1. Extra virgin olive oil that I add to cooked foods without placing

the extra virgin olive oil under high heat.

2. Poaching fatty fish (e.g., salmon) versus sauteing, baking or

broiling.

I think the high heats affect the good oils in both negatively.

Can anyone comment further on this?

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When oils are heated it adds a hydrogen atoms to the composition and therefore

makes for hydrogenated oil. This is the type of oil that is harder for the liver

to breakdown.

Two things here are the fact that the bile provided for breaking down or

emulsifying the fat may also be of a poor quality as noted by the reply from Dr.

Cabot of which Naomi had recieved from her and just posted yesterday (Generally

speaking the gall bladder becomes diseased or dysfunctional because the liver is

producing unhealthy bile.), and that the hydrogenated oil is not redily useable

by the body but becomes a trans fat.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_101.html

http://www.enig.com/0001t16.html

Dale

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Dale, do you know how much estrogens and other hormones contribute to

gb problems? According to the 4F standard fat, female, forty,

fertile, pregnancy is a major contributor. I was neither fat nor

forty but female and had 7 pregnancies. Just curious. Most of what I

have read focuses on the fat and female part. Dawn

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> When oils are heated it adds a hydrogen atoms to the composition

and therefore makes for hydrogenated oil. This is the type of oil

that is harder for the liver to breakdown.

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> Two things here are the fact that the bile provided for breaking

down or emulsifying the fat may also be of a poor quality as noted by

the reply from Dr. Cabot of which Naomi had recieved from her and

just posted yesterday (Generally speaking the gall bladder becomes

diseased or dysfunctional because the liver is producing unhealthy

bile.), and that the hydrogenated oil is not redily useable by the

body but becomes a trans fat.

> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_101.html

> http://www.enig.com/0001t16.html

>

> Dale

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Dale, do you know how much estrogens and other hormones contribute to

gb problems? According to the 4F standard fat, female, forty,

fertile, pregnancy is a major contributor. I was neither fat nor

forty but female and had 7 pregnancies. Just curious. Most of what I

have read focuses on the fat and female part. Dawn

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It is believed to be a major factor with women.

http://www.uwcme.org/courses/bonephys/opestrogen.html#estother

http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/digest/pubs/gallstns/gallstns.htm

http://www.morehead.org/wellconnected/doc10.html

This site is interesting because of its note regarding men who have had their

gallbladders removed.

http://www.nbhealth.org/myhealthadviser/atoz/doc10.html

So, to answer the question, yes hormones contribute to the problem of bile stone

production. But, keep in mind too that it is possible to deal with the process

by keeping the hydrogenated and saturated animal fat intake down.

What I find interesting about the problem with hormones is that there is also

an increased potential for heart disease when in fact there is also a removing

of cholesterol from the blood stream taking place, which would normally be

considered a good thing for the prevention of heart disease. I would believe

this is because it may cause the removal of too much of the cholesterol needed

for general cellular health. This really makes for a dammed if you do and dammed

if you don't situation. I find this article to be a pretty good balanced view of

the body's need for cholesterol.

http://www.dolfzine.com/page189.htm

Dale