Re: Re: I am new & have BC & HL -Genetics

[Guest guest]

Hi Elliot,

I agree - that makes a lot of sense.

But it also doesn't give us the full picture. Again, I have met

wonderful women who were doing everything right and still developed

breast cancer. So there must be another component.

And my biggest problem with Cambell's work is that he doesn't even look

at the health problems related to vegetarians. Tell me how many vegans,

raw foodists, and vegetarians develop cancer and why. I want to see

studies showing THAT information. It's pretty darn easy to say that

animal product consumption is the trigger, but it sure doesn't answer

the question about how these people who don't eat animal products

developed cancer.

There are quite a few vegans and vegetarians with cancer - developed

years after they made the dietary switch.

ar

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:08:16 -0000, " breathedeepnow " <aug20@...>

said:

> Hi, Arlyn.

>

> I think it bears repeating here what Matthias Rath has said, and what

> T. Colin has borne out with his own research:

>

> " Genetics may load the gun, but lifestyle pulls the trigger. "

>

> I am not myself a researcher or scientist, but that appears to me to

> ring true, that one simply stands less of a chance of having any cancer

> genes activated if one takes the best care of one's mind and body one

> can. And one's children stand less of a chance of the same if their

> parents do the best they can for them in that regard.

>

> Best wishes and best of health,

>

> Elliot

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

As for dieting, I would suspect the grains and the legumes like soya and

beans (see www.deflame.com) and the plants that are looked upon as

vegetables but are really poisonous to many people's health:

nightshades: tomatoes,potatoes, bell peppers, eggplants.

Many vegans are eating poisonous vegetables. Somehow they have trained

their taste buds to ignore the awful taste of many vegetables. If it

tastes awful, it's not food.

I subscribe to the raw paleolithic diet theory. fruits + animals is the

natural diet of humans. (proportion varies where you live). When you

eat animal foods, you need to eat them with fat and more fat than the

lean portions. There is an optimal ratio. See homo optimus diet: 1

part lean, 2.5 to 3.5 parts fat.

As to the other causes of cancer, perfect diet is no assurance, but it

helps.

There is external pollution avoidance, nurturing and detoxing that are

all needed to be done still to prevent cancer.

Arlyn Grant wrote:

>

> Hi Elliot,

>

> I agree - that makes a lot of sense.

>

> But it also doesn't give us the full picture. Again, I have met

> wonderful women who were doing everything right and still developed

> breast cancer. So there must be another component.

>

> And my biggest problem with Cambell's work is that he doesn't even look

> at the health problems related to vegetarians. Tell me how many vegans,

> raw foodists, and vegetarians develop cancer and why. I want to see

> studies showing THAT information. It's pretty darn easy to say that

> animal product consumption is the trigger, but it sure doesn't answer

> the question about how these people who don't eat animal products

> developed cancer.

>

> There are quite a few vegans and vegetarians with cancer - developed

> years after they made the dietary switch.

>

> ar

[Guest guest]

Hope this helps someone.

>> Why is junk food so appealing?

Junk food is full of bad trans fat oils and they add plant fats like

lecithin. Those marketers are smart, they FOOL humans not to eat animal

fats saying animal fats are bad for them cholesterol, etc. So many

humans today are fat deprived. Humans hunger for fat. They try to

replace the missing fat in their diet with deep fried junk food, deep

fried potato chips, ice cream, hot dogs, hamburgers. Eskimos know that

when the meats they consistently catch lack fat, they are in deep health

trouble. For urban humans they snack on pork rinds and equivalent junk

food.

FAT deprivation is such a big unrecognized problem.

This is why Omega 3 supplementation is popular. But you get a bigger

kick with eating raw fatty fish. Lyprinol for example is just extra

virgin olive oil and mussel oil... they are just fats... supplemented to

chronically sick people, the people get well. The people are

chronically ill because people are fat deprived because of BAD ADVICE

from the wrong food pyramid.

>> Taste is entirely a matter of personal opinion.

Taste is usually corrupted by condiments and bad training. I recently

blogged about why we should not eat our foods with condiments.

http://www.myhealthblog.org/2008/03/29/condiments-are-eventually-bad-for-your-he\

alth-if-it-covers-up-the-taste-of-your-food-everyday/

>> There are many many people who like the taste of tomatoes and

potatoes for example. They must be two of the most consumed foods worldwide.

And this is why so many people are sick. The ancestors of these plants

are poisonous. These plants remain poisonous to a varying range of

degrees between people. And many people are unaware of this because it

will take some 30 to 60 days of absence in your diet to wash off the

poisons in your body. This is the family of nightshades.

Anthroposophic doctors know the damage nightshades do. And nightshades

like tomatoes and potatoes are ubiquitous foods.

In the eczema and psoriasis circles, nightshades poisoning is starting

to get well known.

In the arthritis circles, nighshades are well known.

You can look at nightshades and other irritating vegetables as

inflammation causing. Inflammation is a natural human self defense.

People are taxing their bodies eating inflammatory causing non-foods

everyday.

See an article I wrote about the dangers of nightshades:

http://www.eczemacure.info/article/articleview/247/1/9/

Ahhh the side-effects of agriculture. Force feeding non-foods to an

unsuspecting public.

I picked up that taste test thing from natural hygiene. I re-trained my

taste buds and nose so it will help me stear clear of danger. If it

tastes bad, I don't eat it. The taste thing applies to animal foods as

well raw or cooked.

Regards,

Edwin

[Guest guest]

Yes Arlyn, there is a component not yet thrown into the mix and all of us can

speculate all we want and not have an answer pop up because we still look for

the single 'cause'. If Cancer develops from a progression of events and is the

end result, the end stage pathology it changes everything.

If genetics predisposes one to developing cancer it hardly makes it the cause

any more than if cancer develops concurrently with fungus, what caused the

fungus? Cause is too final a word but for discussion's sake, providing we put

the word in its proper place, it is OK to use it. If one uses a carcinogenic

substance and doesn't develop cancer then is that substance the cause of cancer

or does it simply have a causal relationship and the body's defense, or lack of

it the cause? When cause of death is given in a medical report after a person

is stabbed, it most likely will say, " massive bleeding of the XXXX as the result

of a wound caused by a sharp instrument " . The knife does not cause the

death...........the loss of blood does and the knife has a causal relationship.

People will say that is just semantics, however, we are dealing with

understanding vs. loose words with no meaning.

Hopefully people, living as natural as possible, can short-circuit the various

paths along the way the pathology might be developing and we don't get to that

'end stage', however, there are many paths, emotions, food, metabolic waste,

chemical assaults, heat, cold, anything that enervate the body checking normal

elimination of waste and problems start. That is, if any of this is valid

which, after fifty years of observance, seems to me to be valid.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

I knew someone that was in her 20's and died of bc. She was a

vegetarian, worked at Esalen, the Transcendental Meditation institute.

Vegetarians and vegans can eat lots of sugar in the form of the most

natural sugars and whole grains baked into cookies, cakes, etc. They

don't necessarily have good Omega 3 to 6 ratios, either.

On Mar 29, 2008, at 7:17 AM, Arlyn Grant wrote:

> And my biggest problem with Cambell's work is that he doesn't even look

> at the health problems related to vegetarians. Tell me how many

> vegans,

> raw foodists, and vegetarians develop cancer and why. I want to see

> studies showing THAT information. It's pretty darn easy to say that

> animal product consumption is the trigger, but it sure doesn't answer

> the question about how these people who don't eat animal products

> developed cancer.

>

> There are quite a few vegans and vegetarians with cancer - developed

> years after they made the dietary switch.

>