Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Sloan Kettering has trashed more alternative therapies than anyone. They have devoted much time into demonstrating the lack of efficacy of every alternative out there,...the problem is that Sloan Kettering's traditional therapies for cancer have no more efficacy than the substances they have claimed to have studied. Yet, I never see any studies out of S.K. demonstrating lack of efficacy of cisplatin, other chemo agents that have a proven track record of failing! Question. If Flax seed has phytoestrogens, does this mean that flax seed oil is phytoestrogen.? From: missnoname37 <missnoname37@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Essiac/sence Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 11:08 AM I've read on the Sloan Kettering website that red clover acts as a phytoestrogen therefore should not be used. However, flaxseed is also a phytoestrogen and we all know it is great for breast cancer. Can anyone shed light on this. Are the allopathic guys skewing stats or is there a real argument in not using sence with the Red Clover. Thanks! Louise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 missnoname writes: > I've read on the Sloan Kettering website that red clover acts as a > phytoestrogen therefore should not be used. However, flaxseed is also a > phytoestrogen and we all know it is great for breast cancer Red Clover is definitely a phytoestrogen. Flaxseed oil as I understand it, changes the way it works in the body when mixed with the cottage cheese or quark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Hello Arlyn, To further confuse the issue, many MCF-7 cell lines are contaminated with non-breast cancer cells. Also, there is an indication, revealed a couple of years ago, that the MCF-7 cell line never was breast cancer, but was, instead, ovarian cancer. It was not derived directly from a breast tumor, but was derived from peritoneal metastasis in a woman with both cancers. Go figure. Keep in mind that in vitro testing of these herbs may not allow for the mechanism with which they might work in vivo. This could be the flip side of something working in vitro, and not working in vivo, which happens all the time. Mike Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:54:04 PM, you wrote: A> Well, Louise, that was a freakishly complicated conclusion! Here is A> what it said: A> RESULTS: Flor-Essence and Essiac herbal tonics at 1%, 2%, 4% and 8% A> stimulated cell proliferation relative to untreated controls in both A> estrogen receptor positive (MCF-7 and T47D) and estrogen receptor A> negative (MDA-MB-231 and MDA-MB-436) cell lines. Exposure to the tonics A> also produced a dose-dependent increase in ER dependent luciferase A> activity in MCF-7 cells. A 10(-7) M concentration of ICI 182,780 A> inhibited the induction of ER dependent luciferase activity by A> Flor-Essence and Essiac, but did not affect cell proliferation. A> CONCLUSION: Flor-Essence and Essiac Herbal Tonics can stimulate the A> growth of human breast cancer cells through ER mediated as well as ER A> independent mechanisms of action. A> I interpret this as: A> Cell proliferation happened with both hormone dependent and triple A> negative cancers. A> ar A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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