Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Jim, I think your PROTOCOL ROCKS. When I was fighting my terminal cancer in 1994/94 I mixed many different protocols AFTER the tumor grew 30% on chemo. I am convinced that it was my mixture of protocols that did the trick. I was not 100% strict raw vegan in 1994/95 contrary to now. O.k., I have one little confession to make. When I was in Texas last week-end, the bodylifters told me I had to eat some CARBS to make my veins pop so I could get the ozone in my veins. Well, I am a southerner and EVERYTHING there is fried. They didn't even have a baked potato on the damn menu for God's sake. So, HERE IS MY CONFESSION. I ate FRENCH FRYS with steamed broccoli on the side. It was the only thing vegeterian on the menu. But it worked because I got the Ozone in me. But I have been 100% raw other then that little diversion. I wonder what kind of oil the frys were fried in? UGH!! I think the salmon and eggs once a month are fine. I am sure you are eating wild caught salmon as this has all the good stuff in it. A bit more expensive, but worth it. It sounds to me that you have balanced many protocols into the ONE that fits you. I always shy away from being perfect with anything. And of course you know that to balance your hormones, stay away from the estrogens in non-organic diary and whey. I was surprised to find from Uri, author of the Anti-Estrogenic Diet, that men as well as women are affected by estrogens. As stated in a post last night, I reported that he had told me that he believes many cancers in both sexes are estrogen based. This is also in the book. He carries hormone free whey powders. But I am sure you can find them cheap on www.iherb.com or a google search. I will be studying your protocol later today and will see if there is anything I have left out to mine which would help me. I have already decided to have some raw cacao hot chocolate for Christmas Eve/Christmas morning which is not on Phase 1.5 of Cousens. But this is my Christmas present for all the hard work. Keep up the hard work. I have learned a lot from you and others. You have all become such a blessing to me. It would have been so frustrating, lonely and terrifying without you all. I mean it---if you or anyone comes to Portland in the near future, I would love for you to come to my one-woman clinic and see my set-up. I'll even fix you a raw lunch. I am snowed in today in downtown Portland in my clinic. I didn't make it home last night. but I have a nice comfy double futon and my new sauna and my juicer and a ton of vegies in the frig. I think it's going to be a raw juice day. I had my infrared sauna for the first time this morning and I did a skin scrub afterwards with all kinds of yummy oils and epsom and sea salts which takes the toxins right out of your body. I laid down on my futon and was in heaven. Keep trucking everyone. You are all in my thoughts and prayers and in my heart. Here's to a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And Happy Hannukah as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 > > Jim, > > I think your PROTOCOL ROCKS. I hope so! No ego here, although I must admit that I feel naked and exposed when people tell me not to rely on the supplements. Weird. It feels like a loss of control to me. >stay away from the estrogens in non-organic diary and whey. I've read some things about estrogens -- non-organic meat and dairy are primary sources, along with pesticides, right? And plastics? > > I am snowed in today in downtown Portland in my clinic. Snow here too in Northern California! > Here's to a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And Happy Hannukah as well. > > > Same here to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Hey : My intuition does say to keep taking supplements, but as I said in a previous post, a lot of this has to do with a sense of control over my own disease. I feel almost no control with Budwig, and in fact, have read multiple posts where people doing Budwig had cancers getting out of control. They were told to hang in there -- that this was typical at first, etc. This scared me too much. When I read about people getting good results with LDN, artemisinin, Sutherlandia OPC, etc., I wanted to hit the cancer with this stuff too. So is the real problem that I am a control freak? I just got done reading a book where they talked extensively about placebo and reverse placebo effects. Amazing. Some 40% of cures in modern medicine can be attributed to placebo effect. If you think something is going to work, it will. Conversely, if you are convinced that something won't work, it won't. Speaking of reverse placebo effects, I talked with a friend recently who is dying of hepatitis C. I tried talking to her about alternatives. She immediately cut me off and said " I've been into nursing for 15 years, and I'm sorry, but I've never seen an alternative approach work, period. I will NOT do anything alternative. If I die using the best modern medicine has to offer, then I die. " This seemed so weird to me. Why wouldn't she fight for her life? And, in fact, she is not fighting. She is dying very quickly. Why doesn't the placebo effect work for her? I guess she is in the 60%, and the medicine (interferon) just isn't working. And, she may want to die. I'm not sure why, but this happens. > > > > > Jim, > > I wouldn't listen to ANYONE who tells you not to take supplements. I don't care who they are. Supplementation---whether it is bloodroot or mushrooms---is the key to healing from cancer in addition to diet. You have to hit it hard from every available source. > .... > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Hi Jim Can you provide me the brands that you are taking?: Thanks dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Dorr <dorrnancy@...> wrote: > I pay $669 a month in my Kaiser Permanente health insurance premium, which gives me expensive diagnostic tests. The only thing they have offered me in a way of cure since 2006 is anti-estrogen hormone therapy. Femara at first worked and now has failed. I was put on a once a month injection which I have in the chemo room. It has an 18% success rate---whatever that means. I have spent thousands of dollars on co-pays and insurance premiums over the years and yet only ONE doctor has recently asked me about my diet..... > , sounds as though you have metastatic breast cancer? Me too ... my onc wants to put me on Femara, but I have been dx with diffuse disease in my bones and am on Zometa for that. Ummmmmm .... excuse me, but Femara causes osteoporosis. Why on earth would I want to put my already weakened bones into further weakness? Oh, but I'm on Zometa, so that would protect them, she says. Yes, but if the Zometa is busy protecting my bones from osteoporosis from the anti-hormonal drug, wouldn't that negate some of its effectiveness at fighting the cancer in the bones? She had to concede that maybe a little. Hmmmphhhhh! So, I just started taking an estrogen blocker/aromatase inhibitor, Chinese herb called Myomin. You might wanna check it out and see if it sounds like something beneficial for you. Also, if you do have breast cancer, have you heard of the Amazon email group? It's a group of alternative-only breast cancer ladies and, oh my gosh, are they FULL of great info, research, digging for little-known studies, etc. If you're interested, you can find them at www.breastcancerchoices.org. Sounds like we have similar situations with the exception of the fact that I'm now eating poultry and fish as per my metabolic typing. I know that sounds totally weird, but it makes intuitive sense to me. I mean heck ... we alternative types complain about the cookie-cutter conventional treatments for highly individualized disease. But then cancer diets are pretty cookie-cutter too ... eat only fruits/veggies, and as much raw as possible. Now, some of that is no-brainer ... don't eat sugar or refined, processed foods or artificial sweeteners. Stay away from xenoestogens, etc. But it makes perfect sense that if you eat and orange and I eat an orange, it would affect each of us differently. Anyway, this whole journey is quite the education and, in many cases, a crap shoot until we roll the lucky number on the dice! xxo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Would this myomin help me? Even with the calcium d glucarate I have trouble with estrogen. I was asked if I looked into a progesterin sp? cream but I really have no idea where to start on that front. Just googling what you use it seems to block all estrogen which may be beneficial to me as I seem to be massively estrogen dominant (thank you dr's and lovely birth control to regulate periods when I was a teenager) Cheri > > I pay $669 a month in my Kaiser Permanente health insurance premium, which gives me expensive diagnostic tests. The only thing they have offered me in a way of cure since 2006 is anti-estrogen hormone therapy. Femara at first worked and now has failed. I was > put on a once a month injection which I have in the chemo room. It has an 18% success rate---whatever that means. I have spent thousands of dollars on co-pays and insurance premiums over the years and yet only ONE doctor has recently asked me about my diet..... > > > > > , sounds as though you have metastatic breast cancer? Me too .... my onc wants to put me on Femara, but I have been dx with diffuse disease in my bones and am on Zometa for that. Ummmmmm .... excuse me, but Femara causes osteoporosis. Why on earth would I want to put my already weakened bones into further weakness? Oh, but I'm on Zometa, so that would protect them, she says. Yes, but if the Zometa is busy protecting my bones from osteoporosis from the anti-hormonal drug, wouldn't that negate some of its effectiveness at fighting the cancer in the bones? She had to concede that maybe a > little. Hmmmphhhhh! > > So, I just started taking an estrogen blocker/aromatase inhibitor, Chinese herb called Myomin. You might wanna check it out and see if it sounds like something beneficial for you. Also, if you do have breast cancer, have you heard of the Amazon email group? It's a > group of alternative-only breast cancer ladies and, oh my gosh, are they FULL of great info, research, digging for little-known studies, etc. If you're interested, you can find them at www.breastcancerchoices.org. > > Sounds like we have similar situations with the exception of the fact that I'm now eating poultry and fish as per my metabolic typing. I know that sounds totally weird, but it makes intuitive sense to me. I mean heck ... we alternative types complain about the > cookie-cutter conventional treatments for highly individualized disease. But then cancer diets are pretty cookie-cutter too ... eat only fruits/veggies, and as much raw as possible. Now, some of that is no-brainer ... don't eat sugar or refined, processed foods or artificial sweeteners. Stay away from xenoestogens, etc. But it makes perfect sense that if you eat and orange and I eat an orange, it would affect each of us differently. > > Anyway, this whole journey is quite the education and, in many cases, a crap shoot until we roll the lucky number on the dice! > > xxo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 LOL I would love to do the testing to tell me what I am allergic to but at this time I can not afford it. Truly I can not. Cheri > > > I pay $669 a month in my Kaiser Permanente health insurance > premium, which gives me expensive diagnostic tests. The only thing > they have offered me in a way of cure since 2006 is anti-estrogen > hormone therapy. Femara at first worked and now has failed. I was > > put on a once a month injection which I have in the chemo room. It > has an 18% success rate---whatever that means. I have spent thousands > of dollars on co-pays and insurance premiums over the years and yet > only ONE doctor has recently asked me about my diet..... > > > > > > > > > , sounds as though you have metastatic breast cancer? Me too > ... my onc wants to put me on Femara, but I have been dx with diffuse > disease in my bones and am on Zometa for that. Ummmmmm .... excuse > me, but Femara causes osteoporosis. Why on earth would I want to put > my already weakened bones into further weakness? Oh, but I'm on > Zometa, so that would protect them, she says. Yes, but if the Zometa > is busy protecting my bones from osteoporosis from the anti-hormonal > drug, wouldn't that negate some of its effectiveness at fighting the > cancer in the bones? She had to concede that maybe a > > little. Hmmmphhhhh! > > > > So, I just started taking an estrogen blocker/aromatase inhibitor, > Chinese herb called Myomin. You might wanna check it out and see if > it sounds like something beneficial for you. Also, if you do have > breast cancer, have you heard of the Amazon email group? It's a > > group of alternative-only breast cancer ladies and, oh my gosh, are > they FULL of great info, research, digging for little-known studies, > etc. If you're interested, you can find them at > www.breastcancerchoices.org. > > > > Sounds like we have similar situations with the exception of the > fact that I'm now eating poultry and fish as per my metabolic typing. > I know that sounds totally weird, but it makes intuitive sense to me. > I mean heck ... we alternative types complain about the > > cookie-cutter conventional treatments for highly individualized > disease. But then cancer diets are pretty cookie-cutter too ... eat > only fruits/veggies, and as much raw as possible. Now, some of that is > no-brainer ... don't eat sugar or refined, processed foods or > artificial sweeteners. Stay away from xenoestogens, etc. But it > makes perfect sense that if you eat and orange and I eat an orange, it > would affect each of us differently. > > > > Anyway, this whole journey is quite the education and, in many > cases, a crap shoot until we roll the lucky number on the dice! > > > > xxo > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 > > LOL I would love to do the testing to tell me what I am allergic to > but at this time I can not afford it. Truly I can not. > Cheri > Then, just go for the Myomin ... that's not going to bother anyone since it's a Chinese herb blend and not specific food related. I am a bit allergic to broccoli, so I can't do the DIM stuff. Funny about that too ... I took I3C for years prior to metastasizing. Then, while on Budwig, I used DIM ... another broccoli-based supplement ... wrong move for me. But hey, I'm still breathing AND I feel really good, so life is great! xxoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 hi. did you consider regional deep hyperthermia with radiofrequencies for control of lung mets? karla > From: Dorr > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:41 PM > I just got back from the radiologist oncology. I have some bad news, but maybe some ultimately BETTER news. > > I didn't know that my largest 3.5 x 1.5 cm was ON THE HEART. I was told it was " near the heart, " originally, but in the last visit with my regular oncologist she said it was not " near a heart valve...... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hi Jim Sorry to bother you again. I just got my Artemix. How many should I take 5 hours after dinner? Thanks for your help Regards dan From: jrrjim Here is my current protocol.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dan: the most thorough discussions of artemisinin and artemix occur on the LDN newsgroup. A lot of those people are taking both LDN and artemix, as proposed by the main doctor who got the whole LDN thing going for cancer. I am an amateur regarding artemix and artemisinin, but this is what I was told from knowledgable people on this and other newsgroups: Artemix is a mixture of artemisinin and two semi-synthetic derivatives of artemisinin that have different absorption and soluability qualities. The purpose of all three substances is to find cells or organisms with high levels of iron, then release hydrogen peroxide in reaction with the iron, which destroys the cells or organisms. Artemisinin was originally developed to fight malaria parasites, which have high levels of iron in them. Cancer cells also have very high levels of iron in them, especially leukemia and colon cancer, and it is believed by some that artemisinin is a potent cancer killer. So, the main issue is to take artemix on an empty stomach to avoid any iron in food that might be in the stomach. You want the artemix reacting with the cancer cells, not the food. I guess if you could eat food that didn't have any iron while taking the artemix, this would be fine. Two of the three compounds in artemix are oil soluable. One smart member of this board said to take the artemix with a teaspoon or two of coconut oil, and to also take 6 butyrate capsules (a medium- chained triglyceride sunbstance, I believe). This will boost the absorption of the artemix. I believe you only need to take 1 capsule per 50 kilos of body weight, so an average male would take 2 artemix capsules per night. You may also want to avoid antioxidants close to the time that you take the artemix, because you actually WANT a free radical reaction to occur between the artemix and the cancer cells. But there is no common concensus on how closely antioxidants can be taken to the artemix dose, and which antioxidants are okay (if any). One doctor believes that only vitamin E is bad to take along with artemix. Dr. Singh wants any antioxidants taken at least 12 hours apart from the artemix. Personally, I haven't figured this one out either. Artemisinin and the other related compounds have a problem in that the gut stops absorbing them very well after a few days. So most people taking the stuff cycle at 5 days on, and 3 - 4 days off, which allows the gut to recover. Do some research on artemisinin and cancer. There is a lot of info out there. Dan, please also be aware that I really have NO IDEA if my protocol works, doesn't work, or is actually bad!!! My dilemma is that tumor markers aren't working for my type of cancer, and the only way to really tell what is going on is by PET scans, which, of course, have huge amounts of radiation. So I have NO WAY to refine my protocol then judge the effects of the refinements via some marker such as a PSA marker. As you may have picked up from the postings of the last few days, there are many who believe that a straight Budwig protocol is the best way to go, without any additional supplements. Personally, I don't know!!! But I do know that personally, I seem to feel much better after a 5 day round of artemix. I also believe, from the literature I have read, that oleander (Sutherlandia OPC) also has a lot to offer. But again I am not sure. > > Hi Jim > > Sorry to bother you again. I just got my Artemix. How many should I take 5 > hours after dinner? > > Thanks for your help > > Regards > dan > > > > From: jrrjim > > Here is my current protocol.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 -to monitor colon cancer, my husband is doing abdominal ultrasounds... also, he is doing tumor markers in the blood: cea, ca 19-9, LDH,ca 125 and ca 72-4, but these markers are not very reliable. Monitoring the disease causes a lot of anxiety, but i think that " blind " treatment id dangerous and that recurrences, caught early, are less difficult to treat. " Targeted Diagnostics and Therapeutics " (www.tdtinc.com) offers the GCC-B1 blood test for surveillance of colon cancer, but it is expensive.. karla -- In , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@...> wrote: > > Here is my current protocol, pieced together from information largely > gathered from this website, Bill 's book, and other > sources. It may be great, or it may be WAY OFF. I have no idea. > Many I have shown it to think it is great. Some say it is > ridiculous. A few say it is probably killing me. Again, I have NO > IDEA. > > Budwiggers will say my regimen is ridiculous. Maybe it is. It does > cost me over $500 a month! But the bulk of this cost is isolated to > the following: Beta Glucan, Sutherlandia OPC, and the Artemix (the > glory supplements that kill cancer directly). > > 7:00 AM: On an empty stomach: Beta Glucan > 9:00 AM: On a still empty stomach: Purple Mushroom mixture > 10:00 AM: IP6 (6 grams), inositol, SAMe, DMG, folic acid, B12 > > 12:00 noon: modified Budwig mix, containing 4 tblsp FO, CC, yogurt, > whey powder, Greens powder, oatmeal (to slow absorption) and possibly > fruit or raisins. According to what I read on the Budwig site, I am > really screwing up the Budwig mix by adding the whey, due to a number > of reasons -- they say the whey interferese with the sulphur binding, > the whey gives me too much protein, and the whey is toxic due to > polluted milk issues. Personally, I have noted that the whey makes > me feel VERY strong, it makes my muscle tone much better, and it > keeps my weight up. I am also very concerned with raising my > glutathione levels. > > 12:00 noon: Supplement regimen, including: > Twinlab daily 1 supplement with many different vitamins > 500 mg flush free niacin, which significantly helps my mood > 500 mg pantothenic acid for adrenal health > 160 mg manapol for immune boosting > 3000 units vitamin D if I am not getting sun due to weather > 2000 mg magnesium maleate > 300 mg silynarin/artichoke/dandelion for liver health > Green tea extract pills. > 2000 mg ester C. The C, along with proline and lycene from the whey > and the green tea extract, is supposed to halt tumor spread. > NOW super enzymes for digestion > Betaine Hydrochloride for digestion > NOW liver detoxifier and regenerator > 1000 mg iodine from kelp for thyroid health > Enteric coated fish oil pills for DHA and EPA > Probiotics for gut health, immunity, and digestion > 600 units Coenzyme Q10 to raise oxygen and ATP levels > Bloodroot 350 mg to kill tumors directly > Sutherlandia OPC 2 capsules to kill tumors and boost immunity > > 3:00 PM: veggie juice with barley pills > > 6:00 PM: usually a vegan dinner, although I will have salmon once a > month, and organic eggs once a month. > 6:00 PM: Same vitamin regimen as above, with the addition of: > 1200 mg. alpha lipoic acid to help with my severe neuropathy > 100 mg. zinc > 200 mcg. chromium > No CoQ10 at night because it wires me. > > 11:00 PM: > 4.5 mg Low Dose Naltrexone > Artemix/butyrate/coconut oil to directly kill tumors. I cycle this 5 > days on, and 3 or 4 days off. > 20 - 30 mg melatonin (Sometimes -- other times I drift off without > it). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Jim, You indicated you take whey protein. I went around looking for weigh protein and i could not find one that did not have sugar. When i looked at the nutrients, most had 1 gram of sugar in 1 scoop of the powder. What brand do you take? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 There are several brands of whey isolate that use only synthetic sweeteners, which, of course, aren't so good. NOW whey isolate uses a fairly low amount of frutcose, (along with Stevia) which has a relatively low glycemic index. Seeing as how I mix the whey isolate into my Budwig mix, the flaxseed oil further significantly slows down gthe absorption of the frutcose. Remember, our friend Duncan Crow thinks highly of NOW whey isolate, and it was voted the #1 whey powder in 2005, I think. I also just found this site that claims to have whey isolate from purely organic sources. Their plain whey isolate has no flavorings or sweeteners whatsoever. (I wonder how bad it tastes?) http://www.nutrabio.com/Products/whey_protein_isolate.htm Despite all this, there is still the debate as to whether whey is good or bad for you if you have cancer. > > Jim, > > You indicated you take whey protein. I went around looking for weigh protein and i could not find one that did not have sugar. When i looked at the nutrients, most had 1 gram of sugar in 1 scoop of the powder. What brand do you take? > Thanks. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Jim, Thanks for your reply. Whey is made out from milk, isn't it? Does it cause mucous then? Is this the reason why it could be bad for cancer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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