Re: Conflicted about taking a second chemo

[Guest guest]

I'm no authority but reading your post why argue with success after you get rid

of it and stay on the alternative diet and be happy its gone. I'm on alternative

but readin your post tat its 90 percent gone makes me want to reconsider mine is

not in my throat thank god.your hair will grow back embrace your beautiful bald

head and celebrate your life. Good Luck to you!

From: " detwa_3017 " <epurdles@...>

Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010

I posted before about taking the ONE chemo session, and I am doing fine,

somewhat. It got me out of the danger zone and saved my life. To recap

quickly, my tumor was over 8 inches, wrapped around my throat and my jugular and

choking me to death! I was also losing tons of blood due to the tumor being

ulcerated (open) and bleeding.

Anyway, its been 3 weeks and of course the doc is pressuring me to return for

the next of six planned treatments. Initially, I was so happy about having my

life saved and having my tumor shrink about 90% externally that I was fairly

sure I would continue the treatments. I had a few side effects that were not

pleasant, but now I'm looking back and seeing some things that may be permanent

and its got me to wondering if I want to chance undergoing another treatment.

I'm just now feeling good again, sans the stomach problems, and the loss of my

hair from just one treatment. That was extremely bothersome, although I know

its vain - I had a head full of thick long hair and I was extremely sick, but

still, I'm not happy about being darn near bald now. The right side of my body

is weak, don't know why, but I have trouble with my right arm and leg. When I

stand or go upstairs, I have to lead with my left because the right side won't

support me, and I can't raise my right arm all the way up without support.

But like I said, externally, the tumor is nearly gone, however, I can feel that

it is still inside beneath my ear. I was considering doing one more treatment,

hoping it would finish shrinking the tumor completely, but not sure if its worth

the risk. I've been taking Maitake in large doses since I came home. Haven't

resumed my other alternative therapies yet because I didn't want to interfere

with the chemo action. It bothers me still that while the chemo does work on my

tumor, it also destroys so much good inside of me at the same time.

I know I've read of a few people who did chemo once, and then resumed

alternative treatments until they achieved remission. Just looking for

opinions, I guess, I'm really most afraid of the tumor racing BACK if I don't do

another chemo, as was mentioned here recently about the actor Hines.

That statement threw me for a loop, that he took a break from chemo and the

cancer grew and killed him.

Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

Many of us are coming to the conclusion that the body is not always able to

counter a bad situation for any number of reasons so one sometimes needs to

smack the cancer and at least halt it and in some cases, shrink the tumor

because of location etc. Being " choked to death " surely sounds like one

of those times but Tumor Shrinkage, otherwise known as " Response " in Medical

Circles is not necessarily related to survivability. It is the arrogance

of the system that claims, " we got it all " or " there is no evidence of

cancer " . With millions of cells floating around can they be so sure there

is no cancer? No, they can't. Ultimately either our immune system will

take over and complete the task of keeping the cancer cells at bay (cured or

in remission if you will) or it is coming back. Years hence? Sooner?

Never? Hopefully never. With a tumor about to cut off one's air supply or

blood supply, that surely sounds like drastic action was needed.

Obviously you would want to know the progress but you also want to consider

the additional risks numerous scans brings. Another scan to see what is

going on doesn't seem like too much of a risk but but think about future

scans and whether necessary based upon what you would do with the

information. Most of us can't help you re the effect Alternative Therapies

might have on the Chemo treatment but it is also becoming common knowledge

that much of the warnings by Oncologists are nothing more than blowing smoke

as regards a conflict with Chemotherapy but that's where you need someone

that knows what works and what doesn't. In my case? Out Of My League.

Good luck,

Joe C.

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From: <katescleaning@...>

Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:22 PM

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Subject: Re: [ ] Conflicted about taking a second chemo

> I'm no authority but reading your post why argue with success after you

> get rid of it and stay on the alternative diet and be happy its gone. I'm

> on alternative but readin your post tat its 90 percent gone makes me want

> to reconsider mine is not in my throat thank god.your hair will grow back

> embrace your beautiful bald head and celebrate your life. Good Luck to

> you!

>

>

> From: " detwa_3017 " <epurdles@...>

> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010

>

> I posted before about taking the ONE chemo session, and I am doing fine,

> somewhat. It got me out of the danger zone and saved my life. To recap

> quickly, my tumor was over 8 inches, wrapped around my throat and my

> jugular and choking me to death! I was also losing tons of blood due to

> the tumor being ulcerated (open) and bleeding.

>

> Anyway, its been 3 weeks and of course the doc is pressuring me to return

> for the next of six planned treatments. Initially, I was so happy about

> having my life saved and having my tumor shrink about 90% externally that

> I was fairly sure I would continue the treatments. I had a few side

> effects that were not pleasant, but now I'm looking back and seeing some

> things that may be permanent and its got me to wondering if I want to

> chance undergoing another treatment.

>

> I'm just now feeling good again, sans the stomach problems, and the loss

> of my hair from just one treatment. That was extremely bothersome,

> although I know its vain - I had a head full of thick long hair and I was

> extremely sick, but still, I'm not happy about being darn near bald now.

> The right side of my body is weak, don't know why, but I have trouble with

> my right arm and leg. When I stand or go upstairs, I have to lead with my

> left because the right side won't support me, and I can't raise my right

> arm all the way up without support.

>

> But like I said, externally, the tumor is nearly gone, however, I can feel

> that it is still inside beneath my ear. I was considering doing one more

> treatment, hoping it would finish shrinking the tumor completely, but not

> sure if its worth the risk. I've been taking Maitake in large doses since

> I came home. Haven't resumed my other alternative therapies yet because I

> didn't want to interfere with the chemo action. It bothers me still that

> while the chemo does work on my tumor, it also destroys so much good

> inside of me at the same time.

>

> I know I've read of a few people who did chemo once, and then resumed

> alternative treatments until they achieved remission. Just looking for

> opinions, I guess, I'm really most afraid of the tumor racing BACK if I

> don't do another chemo, as was mentioned here recently about the actor

> Hines. That statement threw me for a loop, that he took a break

> from chemo and the cancer grew and killed him.

> Any thoughts?

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think you totally missed the problem Hines had. To the best of my

knowledge, Hines did not do Chemo. Hines was following a

protocol that Dr. Gammill recommended for him. The way, I heard the

story, when he went into the hospital for testing and could not take the

things that he was taking that were prepared for him by , that is

when his tumor " mushroomed " in his lung, as explains it and it

killed him. I do not believe it had anything to do with chemo. To be

perfectly honest, I do not understand how missing a few days of the meds can

make your tumor mushroom and kill you, but then there are a lot of things

that I do not understand, including why some people who lead a perfectly

healthy life, get cancer in the first place.

Good Luck with whatever decision you make.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:09 PM, detwa_3017 <epurdles@...> wrote:

>

>

> I posted before about taking the ONE chemo session, and I am doing fine,

> somewhat. It got me out of the danger zone and saved my life. To recap

> quickly, my tumor was over 8 inches, wrapped around my throat and my jugular

> and choking me to death! I was also losing tons of blood due to the tumor

> being ulcerated (open) and bleeding.

>

> Anyway, its been 3 weeks and of course the doc is pressuring me to return

> for the next of six planned treatments. Initially, I was so happy about

> having my life saved and having my tumor shrink about 90% externally that I

> was fairly sure I would continue the treatments. I had a few side effects

> that were not pleasant, but now I'm looking back and seeing some things that

> may be permanent and its got me to wondering if I want to chance undergoing

> another treatment.

>

> I'm just now feeling good again, sans the stomach problems, and the loss of

> my hair from just one treatment. That was extremely bothersome, although I

> know its vain - I had a head full of thick long hair and I was extremely

> sick, but still, I'm not happy about being darn near bald now. The right

> side of my body is weak, don't know why, but I have trouble with my right

> arm and leg. When I stand or go upstairs, I have to lead with my left

> because the right side won't support me, and I can't raise my right arm all

> the way up without support.

>

> But like I said, externally, the tumor is nearly gone, however, I can feel

> that it is still inside beneath my ear. I was considering doing one more

> treatment, hoping it would finish shrinking the tumor completely, but not

> sure if its worth the risk. I've been taking Maitake in large doses since I

> came home. Haven't resumed my other alternative therapies yet because I

> didn't want to interfere with the chemo action. It bothers me still that

> while the chemo does work on my tumor, it also destroys so much good inside

> of me at the same time.

>

> I know I've read of a few people who did chemo once, and then resumed

> alternative treatments until they achieved remission. Just looking for

> opinions, I guess, I'm really most afraid of the tumor racing BACK if I

> don't do another chemo, as was mentioned here recently about the actor

> Hines. That statement threw me for a loop, that he took a break from

> chemo and the cancer grew and killed him.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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imformation!!!!!

>

> From: epurdles@...

> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:09:43 +0000

[Guest guest]

Okay, thank you for explaining it. That had me pretty shook, but you know what,

I do understand how your tumor can mushroom so quickly. Even though

Hines only went in for testing, do we really know what they gave him in the

hospital? Because back in June when I first rushed to the hospital, I had a

very small lump behind my ear which was a portion of the original tumor that was

spreading out. It was about the size of a quarter. I was in the hospital for 4

days and they had me on an IV for antibiotics. As far as I know, they gave me

nothing else, and I barely ate during those 4 days. But you would not believe

how much that small tumor ballooned during those days and the following weeks.

I swear it was something they gave to me because it had laid inactive for months

but suddenly it blew up and also became ulcerated and then started closing up my

ear. To this day, I can only connect it either with the antibiotics they were

giving me, or something else they slipped in my IV. They were completely

dumbfounded about it but that's the only explanation.

The testing they did on Mr. Hines could have included injecting some sugar

solution into his body or anything. Those doctors can be so incredibly clueless

sometimes. Like, you're in the hospital for cancer and they put you on a

regular diet and send you meals full of sugar and sodium and chemicals. I had

to constantly send my food back and order healthy items, and they acted like I

was being uppity, lol.

>

> I think you totally missed the problem Hines had. To the best of my

> knowledge, Hines did not do Chemo. Hines was following a

> protocol that Dr. Gammill recommended for him. The way, I heard the

> story, when he went into the hospital for testing and could not take the

> things that he was taking that were prepared for him by , that is

> when his tumor " mushroomed " in his lung, as explains it and it

> killed him. I do not believe it had anything to do with chemo. To be

> perfectly honest, I do not understand how missing a few days of the meds can

> make your tumor mushroom and kill you, but then there are a lot of things

> that I do not understand, including why some people who lead a perfectly

> healthy life, get cancer in the first place.

> Good Luck with whatever decision you make.

>

[Guest guest]

Well, through a comedy of errors, my treatment was cancelled for last week.

Everything happens for a reason. It's supposed to be rescheduled for next week

but that just leaves me more time to stew in my confusion.

I'm really leaning more towards just getting back into my original alternative

protocol, now that I'm out of danger. I wish they would lower the dosage of

chemo for subsequent treatments, but my doctor won't do that, he wants to give

me the exact same high dosage that he gave me when I had the football sized

tumor under my ear. That's why I can't rush back for another treatment because

I just can't agree with that. If he was willing to give me a smaller dose, I

might be more cooperative.

I feel so good these days that I just don't want to go back to how I felt during

chemo. I'm rebounding and exercising, taking my supplements, and just now

starting to incorporate my fruits and veggies, because you have to avoid those

during chemo. I was afraid of getting sick so I stayed away from them until

now.

[Guest guest]

Could it be the IV itself? Isn't an IV basically sugar water? Cancer feeds on

sugar.

GB

>

> Okay, thank you for explaining it. That had me pretty shook, but you know

what, I do understand how your tumor can mushroom so quickly. Even though

Hines only went in for testing, do we really know what they gave him in

the hospital? Because back in June when I first rushed to the hospital, I had a

very small lump behind my ear which was a portion of the original tumor that was

spreading out. It was about the size of a quarter. I was in the hospital for 4

days and they had me on an IV for antibiotics. As far as I know, they gave me

nothing else, and I barely ate during those 4 days. But you would not believe

how much that small tumor ballooned during those days and the following weeks.

I swear it was something they gave to me because it had laid inactive for months

but suddenly it blew up and also became ulcerated and then started closing up my

ear. To this day, I can only connect it either with the antibiotics they were

giving me, or something else they slipped in my IV. They were completely

dumbfounded about it but that's the only explanation.

>

> The testing they did on Mr. Hines could have included injecting some sugar

solution into his body or anything. Those doctors can be so incredibly clueless

sometimes. Like, you're in the hospital for cancer and they put you on a

regular diet and send you meals full of sugar and sodium and chemicals. I had

to constantly send my food back and order healthy items, and they acted like I

was being uppity, lol.

[Guest guest]

It very well could be. I have heard that before, and that's one of the first

things they do is slap that IV on you, no matter what you are there for. I

remember asking if I could have mine taken off after I had finished the meds,

this was the day I was scheduled to go home in the evening. The nurse told me

they wanted to keep it on just in case they needed to give me something else

before I left. So I had to sit there with the IV for the rest of the day all

the way up until my discharge.

> >

> > Okay, thank you for explaining it. That had me pretty shook, but you know

what, I do understand how your tumor can mushroom so quickly. Even though

Hines only went in for testing, do we really know what they gave him in

the hospital? Because back in June when I first rushed to the hospital, I had a

very small lump behind my ear which was a portion of the original tumor that was

spreading out. It was about the size of a quarter. I was in the hospital for 4

days and they had me on an IV for antibiotics. As far as I know, they gave me

nothing else, and I barely ate during those 4 days. But you would not believe

how much that small tumor ballooned during those days and the following weeks.

I swear it was something they gave to me because it had laid inactive for months

but suddenly it blew up and also became ulcerated and then started closing up my

ear. To this day, I can only connect it either with the antibiotics they were

giving me, or something else they slipped in my IV. They were completely

dumbfounded about it but that's the only explanation.

> >

> > The testing they did on Mr. Hines could have included injecting some sugar

solution into his body or anything. Those doctors can be so incredibly clueless

sometimes. Like, you're in the hospital for cancer and they put you on a

regular diet and send you meals full of sugar and sodium and chemicals. I had

to constantly send my food back and order healthy items, and they acted like I

was being uppity, lol.

>

[Guest guest]

IV is a method of delivering something directly into the veins but what it

delivers is not sugar water unless that is what is prescribed. All chemo

drugs go in through an IV, anti infection drugs can go into the body through

an IV, saline solution can go in through an IV. So no an IV is not only

for sugar water.

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:34 PM, greatyoga <greatyoga@...> wrote:

>

>

> Could it be the IV itself? Isn't an IV basically sugar water? Cancer feeds

> on sugar.

>

> GB

>

>

> >

> > Okay, thank you for explaining it. That had me pretty shook, but you know

> what, I do understand how your tumor can mushroom so quickly. Even though

> Hines only went in for testing, do we really know what they gave him

> in the hospital? Because back in June when I first rushed to the hospital, I

> had a very small lump behind my ear which was a portion of the original

> tumor that was spreading out. It was about the size of a quarter. I was in

> the hospital for 4 days and they had me on an IV for antibiotics. As far as

> I know, they gave me nothing else, and I barely ate during those 4 days. But

> you would not believe how much that small tumor ballooned during those days

> and the following weeks. I swear it was something they gave to me because it

> had laid inactive for months but suddenly it blew up and also became

> ulcerated and then started closing up my ear. To this day, I can only

> connect it either with the antibiotics they were giving me, or something

> else they slipped in my IV. They were completely dumbfounded about it but

> that's the only explanation.

> >

> > The testing they did on Mr. Hines could have included injecting some

> sugar solution into his body or anything. Those doctors can be so incredibly

> clueless sometimes. Like, you're in the hospital for cancer and they put you

> on a regular diet and send you meals full of sugar and sodium and chemicals.

> I had to constantly send my food back and order healthy items, and they

> acted like I was being uppity, lol.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, this is a tough one.

If you go to an alternative doctor....you need to go to one that just doesn't

look at you and see $$$ signs. Seems like altnative doctors vary.....and who is

really good?....(gee I wish I knew).

Since your doctor was able to treat your tumor....he/she sounds like they are on

the right track....maybe I would listen to what they have to say.

You might want to list the chemo you are getting and the mg....someone here

might just give you more insight into the meds you are taking.

>

> I posted before about taking the ONE chemo session, and I am doing fine,

somewhat. It got me out of the danger zone and saved my life. To recap

quickly, my tumor was over 8 inches, wrapped around my throat and my jugular and

choking me to death! I was also losing tons of blood due to the tumor being

ulcerated (open) and bleeding.

>

> Anyway, its been 3 weeks and of course the doc is pressuring me to return for

the next of six planned treatments. Initially, I was so happy about having my

life saved and having my tumor shrink about 90% externally that I was fairly

sure I would continue the treatments. I had a few side effects that were not

pleasant, but now I'm looking back and seeing some things that may be permanent

and its got me to wondering if I want to chance undergoing another treatment.

>

> I'm just now feeling good again, sans the stomach problems, and the loss of my

hair from just one treatment. That was extremely bothersome, although I know

its vain - I had a head full of thick long hair and I was extremely sick, but

still, I'm not happy about being darn near bald now. The right side of my body

is weak, don't know why, but I have trouble with my right arm and leg. When I

stand or go upstairs, I have to lead with my left because the right side won't

support me, and I can't raise my right arm all the way up without support.

>

> But like I said, externally, the tumor is nearly gone, however, I can feel

that it is still inside beneath my ear. I was considering doing one more

treatment, hoping it would finish shrinking the tumor completely, but not sure

if its worth the risk. I've been taking Maitake in large doses since I came

home. Haven't resumed my other alternative therapies yet because I didn't want

to interfere with the chemo action. It bothers me still that while the chemo

does work on my tumor, it also destroys so much good inside of me at the same

time.

>

> I know I've read of a few people who did chemo once, and then resumed

alternative treatments until they achieved remission. Just looking for

opinions, I guess, I'm really most afraid of the tumor racing BACK if I don't do

another chemo, as was mentioned here recently about the actor Hines.

That statement threw me for a loop, that he took a break from chemo and the

cancer grew and killed him.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

I guess you would have to find out what was in the IV.

GB

>

> IV is a method of delivering something directly into the veins but what it

> delivers is not sugar water unless that is what is prescribed. All chemo

> drugs go in through an IV, anti infection drugs can go into the body through

> an IV, saline solution can go in through an IV. So no an IV is not only

> for sugar water.

[Guest guest]

Well antibiotics will lower your own immune system and throws everything outta

whack cause they kill all the good bacteria as well. Don't take probiotics or

yougurt with antibiotics but a few days after your finished. Smoothie it up!

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

[ ] Re: Conflicted about taking a second chemo

Okay, thank you for explaining it. That had me pretty shook, but you know what,

I do understand how your tumor can mushroom so quickly. Even though

Hines only went in for testing, do we really know what they gave him in the

hospital? Because back in June when I first rushed to the hospital, I had a

very small lump behind my ear which was a portion of the original tumor that was

spreading out. It was about the size of a quarter. I was in the hospital for 4

days and they had me on an IV for antibiotics. As far as I know, they gave me

nothing else, and I barely ate during those 4 days. But you would not believe

how much that small tumor ballooned during those days and the following weeks.

I swear it was something they gave to me because it had laid inactive for months

but suddenly it blew up and also became ulcerated and then started closing up my

ear. To this day, I can only connect it either with the antibiotics they were

giving me, or something else they slipped in my IV. They were completely

dumbfounded about it but that's the only explanation.

The testing they did on Mr. Hines could have included injecting some sugar

solution into his body or anything. Those doctors can be so incredibly clueless

sometimes. Like, you're in the hospital for cancer and they put you on a

regular diet and send you meals full of sugar and sodium and chemicals. I had

to constantly send my food back and order healthy items, and they acted like I

was being uppity, lol.

>

> I think you totally missed the problem Hines had. To the best of my

> knowledge, Hines did not do Chemo. Hines was following a

> protocol that Dr. Gammill recommended for him. The way, I heard the

> story, when he went into the hospital for testing and could not take the

> things that he was taking that were prepared for him by , that is

> when his tumor " mushroomed " in his lung, as explains it and it

> killed him. I do not believe it had anything to do with chemo. To be

> perfectly honest, I do not understand how missing a few days of the meds can

> make your tumor mushroom and kill you, but then there are a lot of things

> that I do not understand, including why some people who lead a perfectly

> healthy life, get cancer in the first place.

> Good Luck with whatever decision you make.

>

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