Re: I want to share 2 Articles: Doctors find new way to treat breast cancer

[Guest guest]

the trouble with the simoncini protocol for bladder cancer is, it sounds simple

to do , but no one knows the exact protocol..dosage, etc...Sure would like to be

able to do it locally, at a local holistic docs office, but Dr s is hard to get

a hol dof

From: m.shall

Oncotype DX and Simoncini method.

You can find it here:

http://www.luminific.com/health_news/

And another one Simoncini method.

http://www.luminific.com/health_news/cancer-therapy-news/

Blessings,

Mariya Shall

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I'm new here to the group, so I don't know your cancer situation but

for what it's worth, drinking a 5% solution of baking soda twice

daily can work on bladder cancer, however the stronger direct route

is to use a catheter with the 5% solution also for the first 7 days

and continue drinking until tests show the cancer is gone (usually 1-

2 months. There is no exact time involved only estimates because

every cancer and every body is different. You just have to do what

it takes for each situation.

Most nurses can teach you how to catheterize yourself and you should

be able to buy the catheters from a home health care pharmacy. A 5%

solution of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) is made by mixing 2

teaspoons of baking soda in 8 ounces of pure RO water. With the

catheter, start by voiding your bladder use a 60cc syringe of the 5%

baking soda solution and infuse slowly. Remove the catheter and

hold your bladder for as long as possible. Lay down and rotate from

front, side, back, side and back to front every 10 minutes when the

solution is in your bladder. It may burn because of the cancer and

because of the acid environment normally in the bladder, but it will

not harm you.

FYI for everyone, this 5% solution is very effective orally and in

the colon using enemas if you can get the solution directly to the

cancer and it has not spread to lymph or deeper tissues.

Hope this helps,

Hope

" VINCENT TOKATLIAN " <vttttt@...> wrote:

>

> the trouble with the simoncini protocol for bladder cancer is, it

sounds simple to do , but no one knows the exact protocol..dosage,

etc...Sure would like to be able to do it locally, at a local

holistic docs office, but Dr s is hard to get a hol dof

>

[Guest guest]

How much to drink per day? i.e, is that a teaspoon in a glass of water 2 times

a day? thats what others have suggested..

BTW, where did you get all this info? i talked briefly with Dr S and he made it

sound like BCG as far as the protocol.

From: absprofessor

Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:50 AM

Hello ,

I'm new here to the group, so I don't know your cancer situation but

for what it's worth, drinking a 5% solution of baking soda twice

daily can work on bladder cancer, however the stronger direct route

is to use a catheter with the 5% solution also for the first 7 days

and continue drinking until tests show the cancer is gone (usually 1-

2 months. There is no exact time involved only estimates because

every cancer and every body is different. You just have to do what

it takes for each situation.

Most nurses can teach you how to catheterize yourself and you should

be able to buy the catheters from a home health care pharmacy. A 5%

solution of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) is made by mixing 2

teaspoons of baking soda in 8 ounces of pure RO water. With the

catheter, start by voiding your bladder use a 60cc syringe of the 5%

baking soda solution and infuse slowly. Remove the catheter and

hold your bladder for as long as possible. Lay down and rotate from

front, side, back, side and back to front every 10 minutes when the

solution is in your bladder. It may burn because of the cancer and

because of the acid environment normally in the bladder, but it will

not harm you.

FYI for everyone, this 5% solution is very effective orally and in

the colon using enemas if you can get the solution directly to the

cancer and it has not spread to lymph or deeper tissues.

Hope this helps,

Hope

[Guest guest]

I would like to hear from someone that 'knows' whether or not drinking

Bicarbonate of Soda can enter the bladder as pure Bicarbonate of Soda?

Isn't it passing through the digestive system after the alimentary canal and

subject to varying acids or other elements that might change its properties?

I can understand the reasoning, though not whether or not it is effective, by

the direct instillation into the Bladder via a catheter.

For my purposes, it is a mute point re self-catheterization because my plumbing

is such that the Urologist needs to use his Cystoscope to thread a wire into the

bladder for the catheter to snake its way into the bladder. Amazingly, it

works and wasn't any worse than the scope itself.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I certainly respect Dr. Simoncini's work because it works and I have

seen it work directly on tumors. I have met with Dr. Simoncini too

however I believe he will never get his work established in the US or

possibly anywhere. That is not because baking soda can't work, but

because he simply is not a good messenger or communicates his theory

very well to be accepted (rude, arrogant, you fill in the blank). Not

accepted with the majority of alternative doctors means you don't

have a chance with those in medicine with the power. Some may get

upset with this view, but this is what I believe. You have to take

what he says with a grain of salt (no pun intended... OK a little

intended regarding dosages etc.

Also I don't think it will get accepted because there are not

millionaire investors that are willing to put up research money to

get an FDA approval on something that will never get approved because

of financial politics here in the US. If it were to get approved,

there would not be a drug produced that would give a return on the

investors money " no profit " so there are many reasons.

If you do the math calculation with sodium bicarbonate it takes two

teaspoons to produce very close to a 5% solution in an 8oz glass of

water. Most of Simoncini's protocols use this 5%. I have learned by

experience and talking to others that have used it. It would be nice

if the small group of people having experience with it could pool

their resources, but it has been my experience that everything seems

to be too hush hush about it (and possibly for good reason).

If you were at the CCS convention you may have heard the prostate

cancer patient video testimony that used the sodium bicarbonate IV

and had done 7 rounds of it. Following Dr. Simoncini's direction he

had seen continued progress with his cancer reducing in size. Dr.

Simoncini only gives a basic starting protocol on his web site for

certain conditions and you could start with them, but don't think

that they are a recipe for a cure. On prostate he says you need to

do an artery catheter, and infuse the 5% directly into the prostate,

but the bad news is that there is not a single doctor you will find

in the US or on this side of the earth that will do it and take that

kind of a risk with the high pressure side of your blood

circulation. Every situation is different and needs possibly a

different protocol.

He says brain cancer is very easy, simply stick a needle into your

carotid artery in your neck and shoot up with an 8% solution daily.

If I had brain cancer I might get desperate enough to try it, with

death as my only other option but I doubt you will ever find a doctor

or anyone else that is crazy enough to do it on someone else. Maybe

that's why Simoncini has had his medical license taken away 12-15

years ago in Italy. Or, maybe because he helped too many people, or

maybe because he killed a few. But if it was because of the later,

what irony that you don's see MD shut down when a patient

dies from too much chemo (I'm sure happens on a daily basis).

Some assume that the sodium bicarb works because it simply alkalizes

the body, (even alternative doctors), however Simoncini directly says

it is not the alkalinity that makes it work. Remember his theory is

based upon that cancer is a fungus

About your question, I would agree with twice daily, but I would use

2 teaspoons per each glass. I also agree it greatly gets diluted in

the body and perhaps not much if any would ever get to the bladder.

That said, I am working with a bladder cancer patient who has been

doing the drinking of bicarb only for the past 4 months and her scope

last month revealed no new tumors in the bladder (she had them

removed several times over the past few years). I told her to keep

it up and if it works she would not have to worry about the catheter

protocol, but if it didn't she may need to consider it.

It sounds like it shouldn't work and too simple to work. But, if it

works I don't really need to know why, just do it. I know it won't

hurt you drinking that amount because that isn't enough to

drastically upset your chemistry balance. You have nothing to lose.

I spoke to a women today who drank 3 teaspoons in a glass of water

and had to stay near the toilet that day last weekend, so if you take

too much, your body will just pass it on through.

Hope this helps and if anyone here has any experience (not just

theory) you would like to share, I'm all ears. Off list email is

fine too.

Thanks,

Hope

" VINCENT TOKATLIAN " <vttttt@...> wrote:

> How much to drink per day? i.e, is that a teaspoon in a glass of

water 2 times a day? thats what others have suggested..

> BTW, where did you get all this info? i talked briefly with Dr S

and he made it sound like BCG as far as the protocol.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Mike & all,

Interesting chemistry scenario,

I'm no chemist and it sounds like you know a lot more about it than I

do, but Dr. Simoncini said that sodium bicarbonate breaks down in the

body in the blood stream to form sodium and carbon dioxide. When the

carbon dioxide in your blood increases, your body begins to be able

to uptake increased levels of oxygen. So if this is true, maybe

drinking baking soda or via IV solution simply increases oxygen to

the tissues and you are back to simply a unique way to oxygenate the

body which is well known to be anticancer (ie ozone, H2O2, etc).

Just my thought.

Hope

Mike Golden wrote:

>

> Hello Joe,

> Sodium and bicarbonate are ionically bonded, the sodium ion being

> positively charged and the bicarbonate ion negatively charged.

These

> bonds are weak and easily broken. Sodium bicarbonate dumped into

> water will instantly dissolve due to the polar nature of the water

> itself. The two ions stay dissociated in " hydration shells " and

> held seperate from one another. If the water evaporates the ionic

> bonds reform and you have sodium bicarbonate once again. Mixed with

> stomach acid, baking soda creates a belch, which is you blowing off

> the carbon dioxide that is released. The bloodstream, being an

> aqueous solution carries the two ions seperately. To further

> complicte things, the kidneys will recycle or eliminate bicarbonate

> according to the needs of the body. This is one of the ways the

body

> maintains its pH level. The baking soda you drink might result in

> the deposition of bicarbonate in the bladder, but it won't be there

as

> sodium bicarbonate. In addition to that those molecules of

> bicarbonate you dump won't entirely be the same ones you drank since

> there is always bicarbonate in the system anyway.

[Guest guest]

thanks..

1) This bladder ca pt, who had no nw tumors..were her tumors supefiicail?

One of mine have ionvaded the muscle, in the last biopsy, and even Dr Lamm ( BCG

doc0, emailed his opinion that the bladder should be removed, due to this,a nd

the fear of metastasis

2) Whre are you located? i ma near L.A.

From: absprofessor

Hello ,

I certainly respect Dr. Simoncini's work because it works and I have seen it

work directly on tumors. I have met with Dr. Simoncini too however I believe he

will never get his work established in the US or possibly anywhere. That is not

because baking soda can't work, but because he simply is not a good messenger or

communicates his theory very well to be accepted (rude, arrogant, you fill in

the blank). Not accepted with the majority of alternative doctors means you

don't have a chance with those in medicine with the power. Some may get upset

with this view, but this is what I believe. You have to take what he says with a

grain of salt (no pun intended... OK a little intended regarding dosages

etc................

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Yes, the tumors were superficial. The sodium bicarb rule is it has

a good chance of being effective if it has not gone through the

wall. If so, a much more aggressive approach is needed... IV 5%

sodium bicarb as a mets preventative, catheter the bladder and

direct infusion into the abdomen to reach the outside of the

bladder. You never know if going directly into the bladder with the

sodium bicarb can be effective enough to knock it out if in the

wall, but unlikely if gone through the wall without the other two

ways to reach it. Drinking can be done, but if it were me I would

do the catheter ASAP. The point is you have nothing to lose as it

does no harm, only can start to kill, slow or even stop the growth.

I always do the conservative approach first (if time is available)

to see if it can work or at least help to some degree. Follow up

testing to monitor the situation is essential to know if you are

killing it.

With breast cancer I have seen the tumor killed and shrink to 1/2

size to were the woman was able to have the lump removed and was

able to avoid a full mastectomy with lymph nodes, chemo, and

radiation (more than once). This is a huge benefit. No harm was

done to the immune system by using the sodium bicarb and the breast

was saved.

I am not anywhere close to L.A. sorry. For privacy, I really don't

want to say where I am. Many people hate this information getting

out. I spoke with a doctor in Alabama yesterday and he said that

Dr. Simoncini was arrested in the past 3 months and the clinic he

was working through in Rome was shut down (I don't have any facts to

back this up, but I wouldn't doubt it). FYI, Simoncini has not been

medically licensed in Italy for the past 12-15 years, so what he has

been doing has been just working through licensed doctors that have

taken the risk of doing his work. I however am not one of them; I

just know what has been going on.

I of course can not tell you what to do, but if you have even a few

weeks to do something, I would try it. That said, mets is nothing

to fool with. I worked with one bladder cancer patient that would

not do anything about his cancer except some off the wall

superficial alternative multilevel scam that basically promised

results and his cancer spread all over his body and he died less

than a year from diagnosis.

I believe each person needs to be informed and look at all options

and then after quite contemplation and reflection, make a decision

to move forward with one or more approaches that are synergistic

that he has peace with. NEVER, EVER MAKE A DECISION OUT OF FEAR.

One direction will give you more peace than the other. Remember

timing is also significant. Surgery may not be right at this time,

but in a few weeks, or months maybe it could be the right thing to

do. You have to tap into what your core " spirit " is telling you.

Sincerely,

Hope

" VINCENT T wrote:

> 1) This bladder ca pt, who had no nw tumors..were her tumors

supefiicail?

> One of mine have ionvaded the muscle, in the last biopsy, and even

Dr Lamm ( BCG doc0, emailed his opinion that the bladder should be

removed, due to this,a nd the fear of metastasis

> 2) Whre are you located? i ma near L.A.