Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Okay, first of all, I'm not going to do anymore ranting or complaining about other newsgroups or philosophies. But I would like to continue this discussion in a positive manner. There was a post on the Budwig group in which a member added whey isolate to FO/CC, then immediately noted that his rectal tumor got worse. Or, more correctly, I believe he switched from Immunocal to NOW whey isolate, which is much cheaper, then his tumor got worse. This worries me a lot -- have I been poisoning myself by adding whey to my FO/CC for the last 2 months? My reason for adding whey are twofold: 1. Whey has far more of the important sulphur containing proteins than CC. I thought that by adding the whey to the CC (and stirring until I had a thick liquid mix before adding the FO) that I could increase the amount of sulphur oil bonding. This is sort of the " Duncan Crow " approach. I was pleasantly surprised to see that Duncan used to post to this newsgroup about 3 years ago about this very topic. 2. As I have discussed earlier, I also wanted to significantly raise my glutathione levels, which theoretically should fight cancer. It is well documented that whey (isolate) is a potent glutathione precursor. Now, this poor fellow on the Budwig group -- why did his tumor start expanding after he added the whey? I can see a few reasons: 1. He did switch from Immunocal to NOW whey isolate. As I raised in a previous post, NOW whey isolate comes from polluted US cows. Is NOW whey isolate therefore toxic compared to immunocal? 2. Is whey isolate of any type quite simply counter-productive in terms of a modified Budwig approach? 3. Did some other unrelated thing cause this poor fellow's tumor to get larger? When I take whey isolate, it quite simply makes me feel a lot stronger in general. My muscle tone is better, my posture is better, and I just feel much stronger! However, due to my tight supplement / food regimin, I didn't have a convenient place for the whey in the schedule, until I started mixing it in with the FO/CC. Then I thought I had solved several problems at once, and improved on things quite a bit. But maybe not! Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Jim, The gentleman on the other group did not say that he switched from Immunocal to Whey Protein. He simply said that he had started with Whey Protein a few weeks ago, adding it to the Budwig Program he was on. Coincidentally, his tumor was also found to be larger during the same time. He was wondering if it could perhaps have been the Whey Protein that prompted the tumor growth. It's possible. " yondur " wrote: " Does anyone know if this causes a problem? I was doing well on the Budwig diet, but my rectal tumor seems to have grown where it is blocking things in the last few days. I started supplementing with whey protein powder a couple of weeks ago. Could it be causing the tumor to grow? " My Mom was the one who had finished the last of her Immunocal and started on the Now Brand Whey Protein Isolate. Her CA125 went from 233 to 300 during this time. Was it because of the switch? We will never know for certain. Personally, I would like to see her back on the Immunocal. It's more expensive but worth the piece of mind. I also like the science behind Duncan Crows 'Budwig Revision' and see nothing wrong with substituting the cottage cheese with the whey protein (Immunocal). You have to do what you're comfortable with. It's your body and what works for one doesn't work for all. I wish it was easier. Hugs, Rose From: jim.mcelroy10 Okay, first of all, I'm not going to do anymore ranting or complaining about other newsgroups or philosophies.But I would like to continue this discussion in a positive manner.There was a post on the Budwig group in which a member added whey isolate to FO/CC, then immediately noted that his rectal tumor got worse. Or, more correctly, I believe he switched from Immunocal to NOW whey isolate, which is much cheaper, then his tumor got worse.This worries me a lot -- have I been poisoning myself by adding whey to my FO/CC for the last 2 months?My reason for adding whey are twofold:1. Whey has far more of the important sulphur containing proteins than CC. I thought that by adding the whey to the CC (and stirring until I had a thick liquid mix before adding the FO) that I could increase the amount of sulphur oil bonding. This is sort of the " Duncan Crow " approach. I was pleasantly surprised to see that Duncan used to post to this newsgroup about 3 years ago about this very topic.2. As I have discussed earlier, I also wanted to significantly raise my glutathione levels, which theoretically should fight cancer. It is well documented that whey (isolate) is a potent glutathione precursor.Now, this poor fellow on the Budwig group -- why did his tumor start expanding after he added the whey? I can see a few reasons:1. He did switch from Immunocal to NOW whey isolate. As I raised in a previous post, NOW whey isolate comes from polluted US cows. Is NOW whey isolate therefore toxic compared to immunocal?2. Is whey isolate of any type quite simply counter-productive in terms of a modified Budwig approach?3. Did some other unrelated thing cause this poor fellow's tumor to get larger?When I take whey isolate, it quite simply makes me feel a lot stronger in general. My muscle tone is better, my posture is better, and I just feel much stronger! However, due to my tight supplement / food regimin, I didn't have a convenient place for the whey in the schedule, until I started mixing it in with the FO/CC. Then I thought I had solved several problems at once, and improved on things quite a bit. But maybe not! Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Jim, I think it's important to note that the growth of this man's tumor may have had absolutely nothing to do with whey at all. ar On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:04:47 -0000, " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@...> said: > There was a post on the Budwig group in which a member added whey > isolate to FO/CC, then immediately noted that his rectal tumor got > worse. Or, more correctly, I believe he switched from Immunocal to NOW > whey isolate, which is much cheaper, then his tumor got worse. > > This worries me a lot -- have I been poisoning myself by adding whey to > my FO/CC for the last 2 months? -- Arlyn Grant arlynsg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Oh boy! I just ordered $700 worth of whey protein from non-hormonal New Zealand cows. Is cancer a crap shoot or WHAT? N. From: Arlyn Grant <arlynsg@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Adding Whey to FO/CC Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 6:24 PM Jim, I think it's important to note that the growth of this man's tumor may have had absolutely nothing to do with whey at all. ar On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:04:47 -0000, " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10> said: > There was a post on the Budwig group in which a member added whey > isolate to FO/CC, then immediately noted that his rectal tumor got > worse. Or, more correctly, I believe he switched from Immunocal to NOW > whey isolate, which is much cheaper, then his tumor got worse. > > This worries me a lot -- have I been poisoning myself by adding whey to > my FO/CC for the last 2 months? -- Arlyn Grant arlynsg123mail (DOT) org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 I personally love your rants. I got me out of my sheltered little space here and out in the open. You helped me. I am a ranter and I certainly don't want to me the lone gal out here, Jim. I support your voice. In my book, rant away. From: jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10@...> Subject: [ ] Adding Whey to FO/CC Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 4:04 PM Okay, first of all, I'm not going to do anymore ranting or complaining about other newsgroups or philosophies. But I would like to continue this discussion in a positive manner. There was a post on the Budwig group in which a member added whey isolate to FO/CC, then immediately noted that his rectal tumor got worse. Or, more correctly, I believe he switched from Immunocal to NOW whey isolate, which is much cheaper, then his tumor got worse. This worries me a lot -- have I been poisoning myself by adding whey to my FO/CC for the last 2 months? My reason for adding whey are twofold: 1. Whey has far more of the important sulphur containing proteins than CC. I thought that by adding the whey to the CC (and stirring until I had a thick liquid mix before adding the FO) that I could increase the amount of sulphur oil bonding. This is sort of the " Duncan Crow " approach. I was pleasantly surprised to see that Duncan used to post to this newsgroup about 3 years ago about this very topic. 2. As I have discussed earlier, I also wanted to significantly raise my glutathione levels, which theoretically should fight cancer. It is well documented that whey (isolate) is a potent glutathione precursor. Now, this poor fellow on the Budwig group -- why did his tumor start expanding after he added the whey? I can see a few reasons: 1. He did switch from Immunocal to NOW whey isolate. As I raised in a previous post, NOW whey isolate comes from polluted US cows. Is NOW whey isolate therefore toxic compared to immunocal? 2. Is whey isolate of any type quite simply counter-productive in terms of a modified Budwig approach? 3. Did some other unrelated thing cause this poor fellow's tumor to get larger? When I take whey isolate, it quite simply makes me feel a lot stronger in general. My muscle tone is better, my posture is better, and I just feel much stronger! However, due to my tight supplement / food regimin, I didn't have a convenient place for the whey in the schedule, until I started mixing it in with the FO/CC. Then I thought I had solved several problems at once, and improved on things quite a bit. But maybe not! Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 $700??? Maybe you should have just bought a New Zealand cow! > > Oh boy! I just ordered $700 worth of whey protein from non-hormonal New Zealand cows. > > Is cancer a crap shoot or WHAT? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Well, this is a four month supply of the whey protein/anti-estrogenic herbs at 2 servings a day and two months of the anti-estrogenic herbs in a bottle. From: jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Adding Whey to FO/CC Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 10:24 AM $700??? Maybe you should have just bought a New Zealand cow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 You made me laugh Jim! One cow can give one lots of whey. Is Immunocal also made of milk? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Yeah, Jim. I was stopped at a stop light today and thought about the $700 cow. You really could probably buy a cow for that much or maybe $1,200. I'll do some checking here in Portland and see what they go for. Back in 1994/95 when I was terminal I decided to go for my dreams. I did anything I wanted because I knew I was living on borrowed time. I decided I wanted to be a wilderness guide and wanted a herd of llamas. Within 10 days, I had purchased a deal where I could co-own some llamas, packs and a trailer. Within a few years I had bought the guy out right. The only problem was I never took the llamas out. So they were boarded for three years spoiled to death and never having to earn their keep. So I decided it was time to take the Dolly Llama for a trip on Mt. . Well, he got spooked by an elk and my little deal to re-stock and re-supply this outfiting group didn't turn out to well. It also wasn't much fun when I went out to the Wallowas in eastern Oregon by myself and got lost in the woods 60 miles from the nearest town, off of a forest road and then off of a logging road. Not to smart, huh? So after trying to sale the ornery old llamas (they're not friendly at all and spit at you), I ended up giving them away and sold the trailer and packs for about what I had in them. So, maybe I ought not to buy a cow, huh Jim? From: melly banagale <@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Adding Whey to FO/CC Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 8:26 PM You made me laugh Jim! One cow can give one lots of whey. Is Immunocal also made of milk? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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