Response to Questions Re: the Budwig Plan & Group

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On Sunday, " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@...> wrote:

In reviewing several of the 700+ posts on whey, I did see SEVERAL

responses that were along the lines of " Dr. Budwig didn't use whey --

she did her thing for 50 years and certainly she would have included

whey if she thought it was good...she wanted an all-natural approach

and whey isn't all natural...etc, etc, etc... that sort of thing.

, these are the same responses always given when people propose

even the most minute change to the Budwig protocol.

>

Hi Jim and All Members,

I'm sorry I haven't had the time to reply to your post sooner. I'll

try to answer your questions and comments.

I'm sure you found several posts that said whey is not part of the

Budwig Protocol. Many people ask, 'Is this part of the BP?' And,

members often give short, quick answers to that. But, this type of

response isn't what is 'always given' as you state above. I included

some of the more scientific responses in my previous post here about

whey protein powder.

You wrote: " when people propose even the most minute change to the

Budwig protocol. "

The truth is that almost everyone in the group is doing something

that's a little different than what Dr. Budwig recommended. Messages

like that are posted all the time without the person being told they

have to do it only the Budwig way. Here's a link to a post written

by a man who lists various supplements that he's taking, including

IP6. FlaxSeedOil2/message/67716

> Regarding the censorship -- it happened to me a LOT when I tried to

> post there, so I just flat out gave up trying to post there. And

the censorship happened on really innocuous little posts. I remember

trying to post once that ground flaxseeds tasted yucky, and that was

censored!!!

>

-------LOL, no wonder you don't like the Budwig plan if flax seeds

taste yucky to you. I found the message that you're referring to. I

saw that I answered you off-list because it was a quick and short

answer - a suggestion that you add plenty of fruit and juice or

other flavors to the mixture to cover the taste of the seeds. So, in

this case your message could easily be answered off-list.

------Some message that are not posted go against the rules

which are on the homepage of the group. The difficulty that any

moderator has is that if messages are posted that go against the

rules, then some members complain. On the other hand, when those off-

topic or rule-breaking messages are not posted, then the sender is

unhappy. Moderating a group is done by volunteers who often spend

hours of each day trying to do the best that they can but who cannot

keep everyone happy. Many members are not moderated and are free to

post what they wish.

-----Because the FlaxseedOil2 group is based on teaching one

protocol, it probably is more limiting. However, members there do

talk about other protocols they have tried or are using parts of

along with the BP. Here in Cancer Cured, many protocols can be

discussed in depth because that's the purpose here. In both groups,

the first rule on the homepage is to be courteous. Some messages are

not posted because they don't fit that rule. Most members are pleased

with that and comment on how much they enjoy the harmony and

helpfulness of the group. Messages that are rude or hostile don't go

onto the board if the person is on moderate status. That happens in

other groups as well. The man who used to moderate this group would

sometimes post in capitals that a certain member needed to find

another group because he was arguing & off-topic. Click here for

one of his posts.

/message/13565

You wrote:

> I for one do not believe that Dr. Budwig had the perfect, one size

> fits all cancer cure.

>

-----I agree and I've written repeatedly in previous posts on this

list, yesterday and before, that no one treatment is right for

everyone. Dr. Budwig said that also. So, for anyone reading this,

please know that I'm not telling anyone what they should be doing.

I'm simply sharing information that I was asked about.

You wrote:

> I am shocked at the shoddy work by Budwig in terms of her

scientific method and records keeping. (Now don't tell me that

wouldn't have been censored on the Budwig board). Where are the

copious notes she should have kept on the thousands of patients she

attended to?

>

-----Actually, criticism about not having more detailed answers given

in JB's books has been posted on the FlaxseedOil2 board. I agree that

it would be helpful if we had more of her records and writings that

included greater details. However, she DID keep detailed records on

her patients because one famous researcher of her work said that he

read those records. That's part of her 1999 book introduction by

Lothar Hirneise. Oncologists have also reviewed her work as

did the German courts and all said she had the documents to prove her

methods and results. She was a Nobel prize nominated bio-chemist who

was well-known for her discoveries about fats & healing diseases.

------The fact that we don't have access to her records doesn't mean

that she didn't keep copious notes. Most books by scientists or

doctors don't go into detail on the records of patients. Instead,

they write books that the general public will be able to easily read.

In FlaxseedOil2 we have excerpts from two of her scientific books

that are in English.

> Each person is different. No supplements you say?

----Each person IS different but I don't say " no supplements. " I

have quoted Dr. Budwig's comments; she didn't include supplements in

her plan and she spoke against them, especially synthetic ones.

----You posted earlier about how surprised you are that synthetic

folic acid increases colon cancer risk. This was Dr. Budwig's point.

There's more research like this about synthetic supplements. Even so-

called " natural " supplements are often synthetic. Click on this link

for one of many articles on the research.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7771221.stm

----I believe that if someone truly needs certain supplements due to

a deficiency or a particular problem, and if that supplements is

known to help, then they should use what they need. I've posted

messages explaining this. Other people believe differently and that's

okay for them.

> Well, I have an

> illeostomy and all food goes through me in about 10 hours. When I

> have stopped supplements, I get weak in a hurry. Really weak and

> depressed. The damned thing COULD be reversed, except for

insurance snafus and issues. But for the time being at least, I'm

taking my supplements.

>

-----Then you should definitely take them.

> You say antioxidants are bad. Budwig says antioxidants are bad.

Yet Budwig proposes several foods and spices loaded with

antioxidants. What's the deal?

>

-----Neither I nor Dr. B. have said that antioxidants in foods are

bad. Antioxidants in foods are great because in natural whole foods

they're blended synergistically in the right amounts with other

nutrients so that they work well in our bodies. We've said that many

times in the group. Dr. Budwig's comment about antioxidants was about

antioxidant supplements, and she wrote that when they are taken in

high amounts they could interfere with oxygen to the cells. We had

what seemed to be an example of that. One member's cancer markers &

symptoms increased after he began taking large amounts of ellagic

acid over several months. When he stopped taking them, his health and

markers improved again.

> One of the most brilliant members on this forum

> painted a clear picture of how the omega 3's affect cell walls, and

> which antioxidants would interfere with flaxseed oils and which

> wouldn't. Guess what? Apparently most antioxidants won't

interfere with flaxseed oil, at least according to this absolutely

brilliant member who really knows his chemistry.

>

-----By doing a quick search of the archives here, I see that Mike

Golden, whose knowledge I respect, wrote about TWO antioxidants that

might not cause problems and one, vitamin E, that could cause a

problem. Here's his message link.

/message/32758

----Mike makes good points about CoQ10 and IP6. We've had many

members in FlaxseedOil2 post about adding CoQ10 to their program. If

you do a search you'll find over 200 messages posted about this.

We've also had many postings about IP6. People have to decide for

themselves what to do.

> I have no way of knowing what my cancer is doing. Tumor markers

> didn't work on my cancer. I have no tumors I can feel to tell if

> they are growing or shrinking. All I know is that a PET scan 6

> months ago showed 30 or 40 or 50 lymph nodes glowing with cancer,

and the doctor said I was a goner in short order, no matter what I

did.

>

----Not knowing what's going on is definitely difficult to deal with.

I'm dealing with a similar situation with a rare and disabling heart

disorder that could be fatal at any time. I agree that you should do

whatever you think is right. I wish you the best with the protocol

that you have put together.

Kind regards,