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[Guest guest]

Joe,

I agree. As we know, though, many oncologists are telling their

patients to do just that. Amazing.

ar

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:39:33 -0400, " JCastron " <jcastron1@...>

said:

> The statement about fruits and vegetables being contrary to Chemotherapy

> didn't fit in with the Chief Physician at a major Cancer Center in Miami,

> FL that suggested my daughter-in-law with aggressive breast cancer " do

> everything she could on her own...such as lots of greens. "

>

> The reason many Oncologists make the demand that people cease

> anti-oxidant supplements is not because of actual studies, but the

> concept that, it must be so because of the nature of anti-oxidants and

> how they work.

>

> For people seeking alternative help in defeating cancer to give up fruits

> and vegetables flies in the face of the very help they seek.

>

> Joe C.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The foolish thing is that if they were honest, the majority of

oncologists would admit that they don't know enough about diet to be

able to make any recommendations not to eat fruits and vegetables.

The recommendation might appear to have some tiny shred of credibility

to it if it was about not taking large amounts of external

antioxidants, (though there is some doubt among some researchers about

the absorbability/utilization of external antioxidants.) But to say

that people with cancer should not eat lots of fresh vegetables and

fruits? Utter nonsense.

Were it my oncologist, I would smile, nod and thoroughly ignore his

suggestion. Less stress on both of us that way.

The nuttiest thing is that a great many people could tell their

oncologist they were munching " twinkies, " pork rinds and cotton candy

and guzzling " coke " and he wouldn't raise an eyebrow! :+o !!!

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Intravenous Vitamin C (IVC/IAA) is noted for increasing the effectiveness of

chemo, while reducing the side effects. see fle in the Files section of this

group.

RB

>

> > My question is: What can I do to alleviate the bad symptoms of chemo

> > while I am taking it. Any particular supplements, etc. I would

> > really appreciate advice in this area - especialy anyone who has gone

> > through chemo and found supplements or whatever that helped a great

> > deal.

> >

>

> , I will have to disagree with Arlyn on this one. Mainstream med sez

that antioxidants, fresh fruits and veggies will conflict with chemo. That's

mainstream and makes no sense at all. Ralph Moss has done a lot of writing in

this area ... and you can get

> his paper on it for $9,95 at

>

>

http://www.cancerdecisions.com/mrstore/index.php?main_page=product_info & cPath=2 & \

products_id=512 & zenid=6950887a571ad68417892fa55459f251

>

> If it were me, I'd invest that money. There are certain antioxidants that

even help chemo do its job. I wish I'd known that when I was going thru it back

in '99.

>

> xxo

>

>

[Guest guest]

So true, Elliot!

I often remind the ladies on another group I'm on that their oncologists

are not experts on diet and alternative modalities, so don't ask them

about their opinions - they don't know diddly.

ar

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:22:57 -0000, " breathedeepnow " <aug20@...>

said:

> The foolish thing is that if they were honest, the majority of

> oncologists would admit that they don't know enough about diet to be

> able to make any recommendations not to eat fruits and vegetables.

>

> The recommendation might appear to have some tiny shred of credibility

> to it if it was about not taking large amounts of external

> antioxidants, (though there is some doubt among some researchers about

> the absorbability/utilization of external antioxidants.) But to say

> that people with cancer should not eat lots of fresh vegetables and

> fruits? Utter nonsense.

>

> Were it my oncologist, I would smile, nod and thoroughly ignore his

> suggestion. Less stress on both of us that way.

>

> The nuttiest thing is that a great many people could tell their

> oncologist they were munching " twinkies, " pork rinds and cotton candy

> and guzzling " coke " and he wouldn't raise an eyebrow! :+o !!!

>

> Elliot

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elliot -

The sad part about this statement is that it's true. Just yesterday I

heard from someone that right after their dad was administered chemo

in his hospital room they wanted to " treat " him - with a Twinkie. The

family member threw it in the trash.

When some of the major hospitals do their dog and pony shows to

impress folks with their cancer programs to get them to do their

treatments there, for lunch they offer things like white bread

sandwiches, cookies and pop - no water - no lie.

Clueless.....clueless.....clueless. And the patient can pay dearly for

this ignorance.

For anyone who chooses to do traditional modalities, it's a must to

learn as much as possible about nutrition and supplements on your own

if you don't have access to a nutritionist/naturopathic doctor.

cathy

>

> The nuttiest thing is that a great many people could tell their

> oncologist they were munching " twinkies, " pork rinds and cotton candy

> and guzzling " coke " and he wouldn't raise an eyebrow! :+o !!!

>

> Elliot

>

[Guest guest]

Arlyn,

I was not exaggerating about " twinkies and coke. " When I was in a

cancer client support group in NJ in 1990, we had an oncologist speak

to our group. One of the members asked him what he thought about diet

affecting cancer. He answered, " I'm happy if my patients are eating

anything at all. " (Naturally! Chemotherapy and radiation often take

away a person's appetite and make things taste all wrong.) The person

asked him, " Even twinkies and coke? " " Yes, " he replied.

That idea that diet has nothing to do with getting or healing from

cancer is one of the stone stupidest ideas there is. Unfortunately,

tremendous numbers of doctors believe it.

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for input on my questions. It has been helpful.

Just talked to my doctor and he said I can't get a port. It would go

right into the Superior Vena Cava (the vein that is closing) and would

cause problems.

Can I take LDN the same time as chemo?

[Guest guest]

Elliot,

Don't I know it. As my mother was dying, I tried desperately to get her

to drink the green smoothies I was making for her. But she refused.

The hospice people told my family that it was better to feed Mom ice

cream and pudding. I was horrified. But I realized that it was all

about the belief that she is going to die anyway, might as well let her

eat what she wants. That's what makes me so angry about this ridiculous

misunderstanding concerning alternatives. I firmly believe that if my

mother had been diagnosed two or three weeks earlier, we would have had

a fighting chance to save her life using Budwig. But by the time she

was diagnosed, she was so doped up on morphine, she was unable to focus,

eat, or even understand what was happening to her. If she had had her

wits about her, she would have gone for the alternative treatment

without hesitation.

ar

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:11:22 -0000, " breathedeepnow " <aug20@...>

said:

> Arlyn,

>

> I was not exaggerating about " twinkies and coke. " When I was in a

> cancer client support group in NJ in 1990, we had an oncologist speak

> to our group. One of the members asked him what he thought about diet

> affecting cancer. He answered, " I'm happy if my patients are eating

> anything at all. " (Naturally! Chemotherapy and radiation often take

> away a person's appetite and make things taste all wrong.) The person

> asked him, " Even twinkies and coke? " " Yes, " he replied.

>

> That idea that diet has nothing to do with getting or healing from

> cancer is one of the stone stupidest ideas there is. Unfortunately,

> tremendous numbers of doctors believe it.

>

> Elliot

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Taking LDN concurrently with chemo is not a good idea, as they having opposing

actions. See the discussion at

http://tinyurl.com/2p57xv

All the best,

Dudley Delany

From: Turmeric4

....Can I take LDN the same time as chemo?

[Guest guest]

We have been caregivers for my in-laws for several years. My MIL

wouldn't let me introduce more healthful foods into their diet while my

FIL was alive, even though he had lymphoma and CLL, plus heart problems

and dementia. Her position was likewise, that his food was the only

pleasure he had left. She couldn't consider the possibility that I

could make a difference in his quality of living when his doctor could

not. He would make statements like, " Are you practicing medicine

without a license? "

Some people just have a mind-set that makes it impossible to help them.

On Mar 28, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Arlyn Grant wrote:

> Don't I know it. As my mother was dying, I tried desperately to get

> her to drink the green smoothies I was making for her. But she

> refused. The hospice people told my family that it was better to feed

> Mom ice cream and pudding. I was horrified. But I realized that it

> was all about the belief that she is going to die anyway, might as

> well let her eat what she wants.

>

[Guest guest]

Arlyn

There is ice cream and there is Ice cream. Ice cream may not be the

best thing for anyone. However, if it is made from organic sugar or

honey; organic cream, milk or rice (Dream); no chemicals, etc.; it is

a big difference from the kind bought in frozen food freezers

throughout the land. You can do the same thing with pudding.

GB

>

> Elliot,

>

> Don't I know it. As my mother was dying, I tried desperately to

get her

> to drink the green smoothies I was making for her. But she

refused.

> The hospice people told my family that it was better to feed Mom ice

> cream and pudding. I was horrified. But I realized that it was all

> about the belief that she is going to die anyway, might as well let

her

> eat what she wants. That's what makes me so angry about this

ridiculous

> misunderstanding concerning alternatives. I firmly believe that if

my

> mother had been diagnosed two or three weeks earlier, we would have

had

> a fighting chance to save her life using Budwig. But by the time

she

> was diagnosed, she was so doped up on morphine, she was unable to

focus,

> eat, or even understand what was happening to her. If she had had

her

> wits about her, she would have gone for the alternative treatment

> without hesitation.

[Guest guest]

I just made a pudding out of flax seed powder, milk or soy milk,

honey, strawberries and lemon peel. I suppose you could even use

stevia instead of honey. It tasted very good.

GB

>

> Elliot,

>

> Don't I know it. As my mother was dying, I tried desperately to

get her

> to drink the green smoothies I was making for her. But she

refused.

> The hospice people told my family that it was better to feed Mom ice

> cream and pudding. I was horrified. But I realized that it was all

> about the belief that she is going to die anyway, might as well let

her

> eat what she wants. That's what makes me so angry about this

ridiculous

> misunderstanding concerning alternatives. I firmly believe that if

my

> mother had been diagnosed two or three weeks earlier, we would have

had

> a fighting chance to save her life using Budwig. But by the time

she

> was diagnosed, she was so doped up on morphine, she was unable to

focus,

> eat, or even understand what was happening to her. If she had had

her

> wits about her, she would have gone for the alternative treatment

> without hesitation.

>

> ar

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:53:02 -0000, " Guru K " <greatyoga@...> said:

> Arlyn

>

> There is ice cream and there is Ice cream. Ice cream may not be the

> best thing for anyone. However, if it is made from organic sugar or

> honey; organic cream, milk or rice (Dream); no chemicals, etc.; it is

> a big difference from the kind bought in frozen food freezers

> throughout the land. You can do the same thing with pudding.

>

> GB

GB,

As my mother is dead, it really doesn't matter. I am very familar with

healthy food and that is not what she would eat. I tried, she refused.

It's just that simple.

ar

--

Arlyn Grant

arlynsg@...

[Guest guest]

greatyoga@... writes:

> milk or soy milk,

If you are wanting to heal from cancer, or not get cancer, soy is one of the

worst things to ingest unless it's fermented. Skip the soy!

[Guest guest]

I found this at the American Cancer Society website (url provided below):

Examples of Nutritious Snacks

Angel food cake Gelatin Popcorn, pretzels

Bread Granola Puddings, custards

Cereal -- hot or cold Homemade milkshakes and drinks Sandwiches

Cheese Ice cream Sherbet

Cookies Juices Soups -- broth-based or hearty

Crackers Milk Sports drinks

Dips made with cheese, beans, and yogurt Muffins Vegetables -- raw,

cooked

Eggnog (pasteurized) Nuts Yogurt -- carton, frozen

Fruit -- fresh, canned, dried Peanut butter

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/MBC/content/MBC_6_2X_What_to_do_before_treatment.a\

sp?sitearea=MBC

As you can see, ice cream & cookies are examples of nutritious snacks!

My particular favorite is the pasteurized eggnog -- if it weren't

pasteurized, we might expose ourselves to harmful bacteria & enzymes!

>

....I was not exaggerating about " twinkies and coke. " When I was in a

> cancer client support group in NJ in 1990, we had an oncologist speak

> to our group. One of the members asked him what he thought about diet

> affecting cancer. He answered, " I'm happy if my patients are eating

> anything at all. " (Naturally! Chemotherapy and radiation often take

> away a person's appetite and make things taste all wrong.) The person

> asked him, " Even twinkies and coke? " " Yes, " he replied...

[Guest guest]

Its a real joke. What message is being put forth with the " Nutritious facts "

especially from a cancer site...the bad guys just don't stop marketing a B.S

message!!!! Garbage food - eat it up ....help cure your cancer. It's sad that a

lot of people don't rely on their own research, therefore believe the guidelines

given by the people that are suppose to know the true helpful foods. What a sad

joke - the recomendations they offer!!!!

From: G. Wruck

I found this at the American Cancer Society website (url provided below):

Examples of Nutritious Snacks

Angel food cake Gelatin Popcorn, pretzels

Bread Granola Puddings, custards

Cereal -- hot or cold Homemade milkshakes and drinks Sandwiches

Cheese Ice cream Sherbet

Cookies Juices Soups -- broth-based or hearty

Crackers Milk Sports drinks

Dips made with cheese, beans, and yogurt Muffins Vegetables -- raw,

cooked

Eggnog (pasteurized) Nuts Yogurt -- carton, frozen

Fruit -- fresh, canned, dried Peanut butter

http://www.cancer. org/docroot/ MBC/content/ MBC_6_2X_ What_to_do_

before_treatment .asp?sitearea= MBC

As you can see, ice cream & cookies are examples of nutritious snacks!

My particular favorite is the pasteurized eggnog -- if it weren't

pasteurized, we might expose ourselves to harmful bacteria & enzymes!

[Guest guest]

Hi All - Happy New Year. We spent New Year's Eve in the ER. Our son was

sick, dehydrated etc. We go through what I call " cyclical vomiting. " He

starts and cannot stop but no one can ever find anything wrong with him and

always call it a virus though it never completely goes away. Yes, his

spleen is enlarged This is one of our biggest battles right now. Even the

Zofran (sp?) hasn't helped much and it always has -just slowing things down,

not completely stopping it. Bloodwork was fine at the hospital and he is

having a full re-eval on the 12th. Does everyone experience this with PID?

Wanting feedback on this issue. Thanks.

Darla

Mom to JT --16 y/o

IgG Def., other issues

Central Texas