Guest guest Posted October 15, 2000 Report Share Posted October 15, 2000 I'm curious if it upsets your stomach. I took 1,000 mg per day & almost ended up in the hospital. I've known several others who reacted the same way. Just curious if you know anything that might minimize the problem. I have backed down to 100 mg per day & am OK with it. Probably need to increase gradually but have been afraid to do so. Kay Heizer Cesium > I have 1 lb of the highest grade Cesium >Chloride (99.99% medical grade) coming >from one of the nation's top labs. It only comes >in powder form and in that minimum amt. Half >that amt. is sufficient for the 6 week treatment. >I bought 500mg empty caps from local health >food store, cheap, and will take 2 with each meal 3x a day. So if >anyone out there wants >this half lb they can buy it for half my cost, or >$110. I use a gram food scale to measure the >amt. Probably 1 gm caps would be easier. >thanks, JR > > > >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2000 Report Share Posted October 15, 2000 I took 3 grams a day of cesium(1 gm w/each meal), PLUS 4 1gm vit C tabs (2 at lunch), plus, 25-30 mgs of zinc at breakfast, plus 1500 mg of potassium once a day. All for 6 weeks and had no side effects. I believe this kept my very aggressive PC from metastasizing. (Gleason of 8, PSA then was 15). This was over a year ago and PSA is now 31 but Cat and bone scan still shows no tumor. Remaining PSA or even increasing one is common with this treatment. It is thought that the treatment breaks up tumors flooding the blood w/cancer cells, hence the higher PSA. People that took the treatment as long a 3 years ago still have high PSA but no tumors...so they've told me. I am starting another 6 weeks soon to reinforce the affects. Best, JR I'm curious if it upsets your stomach. I took 1,000 mg per day & almost ended up in the hospital. I've known several others who reacted the same way. Just curious if you know anything that might minimize the problem. I have backed down to 100 mg per day & am OK with it. Probably need to increase gradually but have been afraid to do so. Kay Heizer Cesium > I have 1 lb of the highest grade Cesium >Chloride (99.99% medical grade) coming >from one of the nation's top labs. It only comes >in powder form and in that minimum amt. Half >that amt. is sufficient for the 6 week treatment. >I bought 500mg empty caps from local health >food store, cheap, and will take 2 with each meal 3x a day. So if >anyone out there wants >this half lb they can buy it for half my cost, or >$110. I use a gram food scale to measure the >amt. Probably 1 gm caps would be easier. >thanks, JR > > > >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 From: jrtex@... Date sent: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:50:01 -0500 (CDT) > I have 1 lb of the highest grade Cesium > Chloride (99.99% medical grade) coming > from one of the nation's top labs. Hi, What is the atomic weight of your CESIUM? Is it Cesium 133, which is Stable and not radioactive, or is it any other atomic weight of Cesium, like Cesium 137? This question is a matter of great importance and if you dont know the Atomic Weight you may be in for a surprise. Perhaps the cesium you use is not radioactive, because if it was they probably would not be able to sell it to you. If the Cesium you take is any Cesium other than Cesium 133, then it is radioactive and water soluble. Such Cesium can easily cause cancer by itself in minute amounts, much less than 1mg. I would never take radioactive elements. Cancer is likely to occur about 5 to 25 years after taking cesium 137. If you are taking radioactive Cesium then I am disappointed in the decision to use a radioactive salt internally. If it is only Cesium 133 then it is not so bad. But I can help you by giving you the antidote to Cesium poisoning, it is Spriulina or Chlorella or Seaweed, several gramms a day for several months. They used this method in Russia to remove Cesium from people after Chernobyl. I would be happy to take Cyanide for cancer, as Cyanide does not cause Cancer, whereas radioactive Cesium does. We have a bilogical pathway to deactivate small amounts of Cyanide, but this is not the case for Cesium isotopes. If I took Cyanide it would be in the form of Cyanide available in Sprouts, like mung bean sprouts, or bitter seeds like nectarine seed kernels or the now banned bitter almond seeds. That form of Cyanide is called laetrile or B17. It is a much safer form of cancer therapy than cesium. Its used indirectly in Geerson Therapy. moonbeam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 You're right, or course. It's Cesium 133. I should have made that clear; and it's 99.999% pure from a major American medical supply lab. thanks, JR From: jrtex@... Date sent: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:50:01 -0500 (CDT) > I have 1 lb of the highest grade Cesium > Chloride (99.99% medical grade) coming > from one of the nation's top labs. Hi, What is the atomic weight of your CESIUM? Is it Cesium 133, which is Stable and not radioactive, or is it any other atomic weight of Cesium, like Cesium 137? This question is a matter of great importance and if you dont know the Atomic Weight you may be in for a surprise. Perhaps the cesium you use is not radioactive, because if it was they probably would not be able to sell it to you. If the Cesium you take is any Cesium other than Cesium 133, then it is radioactive and water soluble. Such Cesium can easily cause cancer by itself in minute amounts, much less than 1mg. I would never take radioactive elements. Cancer is likely to occur about 5 to 25 years after taking cesium 137. If you are taking radioactive Cesium then I am disappointed in the decision to use a radioactive salt internally. If it is only Cesium 133 then it is not so bad. But I can help you by giving you the antidote to Cesium poisoning, it is Spriulina or Chlorella or Seaweed, several gramms a day for several months. They used this method in Russia to remove Cesium from people after Chernobyl. I would be happy to take Cyanide for cancer, as Cyanide does not cause Cancer, whereas radioactive Cesium does. We have a bilogical pathway to deactivate small amounts of Cyanide, but this is not the case for Cesium isotopes. If I took Cyanide it would be in the form of Cyanide available in Sprouts, like mung bean sprouts, or bitter seeds like nectarine seed kernels or the now banned bitter almond seeds. That form of Cyanide is called laetrile or B17. It is a much safer form of cancer therapy than cesium. Its used indirectly in Geerson Therapy. moonbeam Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2000 Report Share Posted October 18, 2000 At 08:35 AM 10/18/00 +1000, you wrote: >From: jrtex@... >Date sent: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:50:01 -0500 (CDT) > > I have 1 lb of the highest grade Cesium > > Chloride (99.99% medical grade) coming > Hi, > What is the atomic weight of your CESIUM? Is it Cesium 133, > which is Stable and not radioactive, or is it any other atomic weight of > Cesium, like Cesium 137? This question is a matter of great importance > and if you dont know the Atomic Weight you ou use is not radioactive, > because if it was they probably would not be able to sell it to you. > If the Cesium you take is any Cesium other than Cesium 133, then it is > radioactive and water soluble. Such Cesium can easily cause cancer by > itself in minute amounts, much less than 1mg. I would never take > radioactive elements. Cancer is likely to occur about 5 to 25 years > after taking cesium 137. > If you are taking radioactive Cesium then I am disappointed in the > decision to use a radioactive salt internally. If it is only Cesium 133 > then it is not so bad. But I can help you by giving you the antidote to > Cesium poisoning, it is Spriulina or Chlorella or Seaweed, several gramms > a day for several months. They used this method in Russia to remove > Cesium from people after Chernobyl. > I would be happy to take Cyanide for cancer, as Cyanide does not cause > Cancer, whereas radioactive Cesium does. We have a bilogical pathway to > deactivate small amounts of Cyanide, but this is not the case for Cesium > isotopes. > If I took Cyanide it would be in the form of Cyanide available in > Sprouts, like mung bean sprouts, or bitter seeds like nectarine seed > kernels or the now banned bitter almond seeds. That form of Cyanide is > called laetrile or B17. It is a much safer form of cancer >therapy than cesium. Its used indirectly in Geerson Therapy. >moonbeam Hi Moonbeam ! Thanks for the update on Cessium Chloride. Most patients are not aware of the difference. I do have raw apricot kernels if you can not find any. I don't list them on my website. ben . > >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. >Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by >visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2000 Report Share Posted October 18, 2000 JR: I'm friends with a lab that manufactures Cesium and I'm sorry to tell you there is no such thing as " medical grade " . The highest quality is Optical Grade and it is not approved whatsoever for human consumption by the FDA...hence why so much hassle from them in this arena. If you're paying $110 per pound you're being exhorbanently over charged. Dr. Bormann ************ jrtex@... wrote: > I have 1 lb of the highest grade Cesium > Chloride (99.99% medical grade) coming > from one of the nation's top labs. It only comes > in powder form and in that minimum amt. Half > that amt. is sufficient for the 6 week treatment. > I bought 500mg empty caps from local health > food store, cheap, and will take 2 with each meal 3x a day. So if > anyone out there wants > this half lb they can buy it for half my cost, or > $110. I use a gram food scale to measure the > amt. Probably 1 gm caps would be easier. > thanks, JR > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2000 Report Share Posted October 18, 2000 I never said the Cesium was approved by the FDA. That's why it's administered in Mexico. 99.999% (optical is synonymous w/ medical when used medically). You're mincing words here. I said half the lb was $110.... I know this is high but it's cheap compared to other American sources from companies that can be trusted. Would you ship us yours at a lower price? For example Ministry Minerals (in Nevada or Utah) sells 4 oz for $170. Best, JR JR: I'm friends with a lab that manufactures Cesium and I'm sorry to tell you there is no such thing as " medical grade " . The highest quality is Optical Grade and it is not approved whatsoever for human consumption by the FDA...hence why so much hassle from them in this arena. If you're paying $110 per pound you're being exhorbanently over charged. Dr. Bormann ************ jrtex@... wrote: > I have 1 lb of the highest grade Cesium > Chloride (99.99% medical grade) coming > from one of the nation's top labs. It only comes > in powder form and in that minimum amt. Half > that amt. is sufficient for the 6 week treatment. > I bought 500mg empty caps from local health > food store, cheap, and will take 2 with each meal 3x a day. So if > anyone out there wants > this half lb they can buy it for half my cost, or > $110. I use a gram food scale to measure the > amt. Probably 1 gm caps would be easier. > thanks, JR > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 When I took it a year ago, I got it from a chiropractor in capsule form & it was not terribly expensive. The capsules were 1 gram each. I don't remember the price but sure was not nearly as expensive as 2 other products I was taking at the time. Kay Heizer Re: Cesium >JR: > >I'm friends with a lab that manufactures Cesium and I'm sorry to tell you there is no such thing as " medical grade " . The highest quality is Optical Grade and it is not approved whatsoever for >human consumption by the FDA...hence why so much hassle from them in this arena. If you're paying $110 per pound you're being exhorbanently over charged. > >Dr. Bormann >************ > >jrtex@... wrote: > >> I have 1 lb of the highest grade Cesium >> Chloride (99.99% medical grade) coming >> from one of the nation's top labs. It only comes >> in powder form and in that minimum amt. Half >> that amt. is sufficient for the 6 week treatment. >> I bought 500mg empty caps from local health >> food store, cheap, and will take 2 with each meal 3x a day. So if >> anyone out there wants >> this half lb they can buy it for half my cost, or >> $110. I use a gram food scale to measure the >> amt. Probably 1 gm caps would be easier. >> thanks, JR >> >> >> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > > >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. U nsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2000 Report Share Posted November 20, 2000 Hello J.R. Is there anywhere that you can get cesium now. If so I would appreciate information as to where, and of course the cost . Thanks, e-mail golflvr111@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2000 Report Share Posted December 19, 2000 From: " Angie " <AngeliqueW28@...> Date sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:05:29 -0000 Send reply to: cures for canceregroups Subject: Cesium > Hello everyone, > For those who don't know Cesium has to do with how your Ph affects > cancer--and the thought is that taking cesium because it is alkaline will > decrease acidity in you system (cancer likes the acid so this is a good > thing) > Could anyone comment on Cesium, have we come to a general consensus at all > on Ph levels and cancer? Hi, People are trying to make their body more alkaline through taking Cesium compounds. The body can be made more alkaline by taking fruit which contains potassium which makes the body more alkaline. People say cesium is the most alkaline metal, implying it should be the best thing to take, but fail to mention the toxicity of cesium, or even to mention if there is any actual evidence that this theoretical approach, actually works at all in real life. If it did work than it would be easy to show it worked in animal models. But the converse is true. Animal models seem to show it does not work. moonbeam On 18 Oct 2000 moonbeam wrote,....... Pharmacol Biochem Behav 1984;21 Suppl 1:35-40 Title Effect of cesium and ethanol on tumor bearing rats. Author Messiha FS The effect of separate and combined administration of 15% ethanol and 0.2% CsCl (cesium chloride) solution on life span of rats with Novikoff hepatoma implants was studied as a function of time of initiation of treatment. Pretreatment with CsCl alone or combined with ethanol resulted in earlier onset on morbidity compared to the ethanol-treatment or to controls. In both cases the Cs-treatment enhanced morbidity by approximately 2 folds from corresponding controls. PMID: 6395134, UI: 85113390 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2000 Report Share Posted December 25, 2000 SO I ASSUME THAT YOU WOULD NOT RECOMMEND CESIUM BASED ON YOUR ENTRY. WHAT ABOUT OTHER MINERALS OR SUPPLEMENTS THAT MAY REDUCE ACIDITY (IN LINE WITH IDEA THAT CANCER " LIKES " " ACIDIC ENVIRONMENT " )? DO YOU SUGGEST ANYTHING ALONG THESE LINES--OR IS YOU FOCUS SIMPLY ON IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTING AS WRITTEN ABOUT IN MANY OF YOUR PAST ENTRIES? I AM SIMPLY TRYING TO COVER ALL AVENUES IF THEY WILL BE HELPFUL. >From: moonbeam@... >Reply-cures for canceregroups >cures for canceregroups >Subject: Re: Cesium >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:32:08 +1100 > >From: " Angie " <AngeliqueW28@...> >Date sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:05:29 -0000 >Send reply to: cures for canceregroups >Subject: Cesium > > Hello everyone, > > For those who don't know Cesium has to do with how your Ph affects > > cancer--and the thought is that taking cesium because it is alkaline >will > > decrease acidity in you system (cancer likes the acid so this is a good > > thing) > > Could anyone comment on Cesium, have we come to a general consensus at >all > > on Ph levels and cancer? > > > Hi, > People are trying to make their body more alkaline through >taking Cesium >compounds. The body can be made more alkaline by taking fruit which >contains >potassium which makes the body more alkaline. > People say cesium is the most alkaline metal, implying it should be >the best >thing to take, but fail to mention the toxicity of cesium, or even to >mention if >there is any actual evidence that this theoretical approach, actually works > at all >in real life. > If it did work than it would be easy to show it worked in animal >models. But >the converse is true. Animal models seem to show it does not work. > moonbeam > > On 18 Oct 2000 moonbeam wrote,....... > > Pharmacol Biochem Behav 1984;21 Suppl > 1:35-40 > >Title Effect of cesium and ethanol on tumor bearing rats. >Author Messiha FS > >The effect of separate and combined administration of 15% ethanol and 0.2% >CsCl (cesium chloride) solution on life span of rats with Novikoff hepatoma >implants >was studied as a function of time of initiation of treatment. > Pretreatment with CsCl alone or combined with ethanol resulted in earlier > onset on morbidity compared to the ethanol-treatment or to controls. In > both cases the Cs-treatment enhanced morbidity by approximately 2 folds > from corresponding controls. > > PMID: 6395134, UI: 85113390 > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 You can do a web search on the net and find it. But I urge you great caution. You can do major damage to yourself with this stuff. It should not be used without medical supervision, from what I have read. There are other safer ways to increase the bodies ph. The are many alkalizing products on the market that are not toxic poisons. Blessings. Donna Re: Coral legal stuff Interesting books by barefoot. Is there someplace I can get some cesium chloride to enhance my favorite calcium suppliment?? LL --- CountryGirl <ruthful@...> wrote: > To those not interested in coral please delete. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Cesium chloride was a fad in the Mexican clinics in the early 1980s. There were wonderfully creative stories behind its rationale and it wasn't particularly expensive. The clinics gave up on it because the results weren't impressive and most patients couldn't put up with the corrosive effect on the stomach. One clinic still used it as an IV along with aloe. This was " Europa " in Tijuana which was operated by a physician whom I consider to be an honest man, Jeff Freeman. One person I was working with (36 y/o R.) had inflammatory breast cancer with mets to the lungs and liver. While working with her (mostly using the " Cyprus treatment " ) she seemed to have growth in her breast, stable disease in her lungs, and major shrinkage in her liver mets. We were about to beef up her program when she asked me about doing cesium with Jeff. I advised against it as she had early cardiac problems with herceptin, but I checked with Jeff anyway. I asked Jeff how many patients with liver mets had tried cesium at his clinic. He told me about a dozen. I asked how they fared and he told me that one was still alive. I told to go ahead and try the aloe but steer clear of the cesium. There were additional reasons that I was not impressed with cesium: Filiberto Munoz (med. director of the San Diego Clinc) told me that he knew of nine patients who had died after using cesium. I spoke with a physician who had a clinic in New York, Thom Lodi. Thom new of a 26 y/o woman who had used it. It did greatly reduce her mass but she suddenly died. Thom surmised that it was from inadequate potassium. I could not find good research to support its use, to support its rationale, or to substantiate the supposed cures. The Brewer Science Library did provide interesting information about it, but the research was largely based on the use of cesium carbonate, and not the much less expensive cesium chloride. arranged for the aloe infusion which was supervised at Jeff's clinic by Hofman who was marketing the combination of cesium chloride with aloe as a product called T-Up. did the therapy and immediately became extremely weak and incapacitated. Hoffman admitted to her that he added cesium chloride without telling her. She was EXTREMELY annoyed by this and somehow word got to the FDA. They asked her to testify in land against Hoffman but she refused saying that this would be too draining on her and she was waiting in the San Francisco Bay Area to start on an updated version of Herceptin, a med that had worked for her in the past. Before she could start she died. Every once in a while I hear of cesium popping up again. Sometimes as a colloid or whatever form the marketers can dream up. It is impossible to get straight answers from the sellers. Like so many other conventional and alternative distortive therapies it might selectively kill susceptible high grade cancer cells (and perhaps a certain number of non-transformed cells) and then just stop working. Any time a product like this becomes a fad, the FDA will ignore it or come after it the way they did in this case. Of course the FDA says that there is insufficient evidence to support its use, medical claims are being made, and perhaps someone was harmed. What the FDA and NCI don't do is any unbiased assessment to see if maybe, just maybe, there is something to it, or to determine the circumstances for which it might have benefit. In some ways I do appreciate the naive and chaotic way such inexpensive cancer treatments evolve. Flax oil, for example, seems to have merit. Despite its lack of formal research tens of thousands of people have used it in various incarnations over several hundred years. In recent times the character of home grown research has evolved from pockets of people in different cultures working up the many variations, to the 21st century with our instant internet interaction. I have seen the internet completely transform communication about popular back-room AIDS meds, about muscle-building meds, etc. Now I often see fads play themselves out in about three months. How about the crazy use of maple syrup and baking soda? It will pop up again and again for years to come, but the popularizers of this are already off to the next big thing. I will probably get emails from those who believe that cesium saved their lives. Maybe it did. All I can do is report my observations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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