Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 Jim, Sorry to hear about the unfortunate circumstance that your neighbor is having--However, the help that you need is not only right at your fingertips but as a community effort to help this family. Most people that has been online for years have heard stories like this one and although this one is true-- too many people have cried wolf. Check with: 1.Churches 2. Media-TV stations would help spread the word 3. Have a carwash or some type of community effort.. I see cans all the time set up for someone in need of money for expences due to health problems. 4. Public Works...and contact the insurance again and again...there ARE loopholes to get them to pay for such an expense. It seems to me that the Bats would be of local concern--seeing they are a health threat to not ONLY those people but the people of your community. Therefore the town should help with the clean-up. Or even the health department. Please keep us posted..... jimchristianhall wrote: " hi jim sorry but....i have no proof that this is some kind of scam ...nothing against you but....i find this story a little to hard to believe. " < Hello, That posting really bothered me because: 1. I have been posting here for a long time and I think people know that I would never try to " scam " them. 2. This post is probably going to discourage people who might want to contribute something to help this poor family. 3. Every word of the post I submitted about this family's plight is 100 percent TRUE! 4. The reason that I suggested that people e-mail me first before contributing is in case they had any questions about the post or about me personally and my role in collecting financial funds for them. Also, if anyone was reluctant to send a check to the address I list, I was going to to give them the name and address and phone number of the bank holding the Lochard Family Trust Fund in my town. 5. I get bizarre e-mail messages often about contributing to some charity that are bogus. But I wouldn't question a post like this from someone who had participated in a discussion group I was in regularly for several months. This family needs HELP, not someone discouraging others from contributing to aid them. My wife went over to their rented little house today and took the small children school supplies and little toys. The mother said that they have been crying constantly about getting the painful shots and they also fear that they won't be able to go home again. One little boy, Jonah, age 4, is having nightmares every night about being bitten by a rabid bat like his older brother. Sign me " Disappointed, " Jim Hall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 In a message dated 1/8/04 10:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, cliffb865@... writes: > Chemo can be deadly stuff. The idea is, I understand, that the chemo will > hurt the cancer cells more than the rest of the body and the rest of the > body will hopefully recover. > There should be more research done into the kind of Chemo that only attacks the cancer and not the healthy cells...and should only be used when less toxic treatments fail. ng the gentler treatments a chance to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 In a message dated 1/8/04 10:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, cliffb865@... writes: > Chemo can be deadly stuff. The idea is, I understand, that the chemo will > hurt the cancer cells more than the rest of the body and the rest of the > body will hopefully recover. > There should be more research done into the kind of Chemo that only attacks the cancer and not the healthy cells...and should only be used when less toxic treatments fail. ng the gentler treatments a chance to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Hi, how can the body recover if in addition to the compromised immunity from having cancer it looses the rest to chemo? Why is it that most people try to kill themselves by agreeing to this stuff and then when they are really sick they turn into the alt medicine? Shouldn't it be the opposite? some cancers hate when you mess with them too much and then they mutuate and turn into a much more deadly form. > Re: Jim > > In a message dated 1/8/04 10:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cliffb865@... writes: > > > > Chemo can be deadly stuff. The idea is, I understand, that the chemo will > > hurt the cancer cells more than the rest of the body and the rest of the > > body will hopefully recover. > > > There should be more research done into the kind of Chemo that only attacks > the cancer and not the healthy cells...and should only be used when less toxic > treatments fail. ng the gentler treatments a chance to work. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Hi, how can the body recover if in addition to the compromised immunity from having cancer it looses the rest to chemo? Why is it that most people try to kill themselves by agreeing to this stuff and then when they are really sick they turn into the alt medicine? Shouldn't it be the opposite? some cancers hate when you mess with them too much and then they mutuate and turn into a much more deadly form. > Re: Jim > > In a message dated 1/8/04 10:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cliffb865@... writes: > > > > Chemo can be deadly stuff. The idea is, I understand, that the chemo will > > hurt the cancer cells more than the rest of the body and the rest of the > > body will hopefully recover. > > > There should be more research done into the kind of Chemo that only attacks > the cancer and not the healthy cells...and should only be used when less toxic > treatments fail. ng the gentler treatments a chance to work. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Good question, Alicja, I believe choices like turning to chemotherapy are often fear-driven. Since " some " people survive (in spite of the chemo), there is this " hope " out there that you, too, will be one of those fortunate survivors. My wife went to a clinic in Mexico when she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer; she first refused all conventional treatment - surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation. The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to rise again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. Some improvement, but still not " enough " ... So now she felt as if something " stronger " was needed. In a certain sense I agreed, but NOT as strong as conventional medicine proposes. Unfortunately, you can't " negotiate " the dosages - they follow what is prescribed by the drug manufacturers, based on their studies. I would have tried some other alternative methods and been more diligent with my diet, etc., but my wife felt like she had tried the alternative approach and it did not bring success to her. HOWEVER, after a year and a half of chemotherapy, her cancer is STILL spreading - she now has inflammatory breast cancer - and this in spite of the constant sickness caused not by the cancer, but by the " treatment " ! It has confirmed my belief that the conventional approaches are NOT for me - I would prefer dying while trying something more humane. Alternative approaches do not guarantee a " cure " , but neither does conventional medicine (I hesitate even calling it " medicine " ....). However, the conventional approaches can often guarantee some very nasty side-effects that really take away one's quality of life for the time remaining. I've now seen this first-hand...unfortunately... I think people turn to conventional medicine out of fear, looking for hope, and trusting the " experts " ... They think that if something better was out there, " they " (the doctors) would know about it and would be using it... It's also easier to do this - simply abdicate your health to someone else, and if things don't go well you don't have to blame yourself! Most people are too busy with everyday life (or lazy...or both...)to learn about health issues and take care of themselves. It's a lot of work to learn about the functions of the body and how to understand and deal with the numerous health issues, including the politics of medicine. The few that do, are simply marching to the beat of a different drummer...and are hopefully on a path to better health.... Bob B. Re: Jim > > > > In a message dated 1/8/04 10:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > cliffb865@... writes: > > > > > > > Chemo can be deadly stuff. The idea is, I understand, that the chemo will > > > hurt the cancer cells more than the rest of the body and the rest of the > > > body will hopefully recover. > > > > > There should be more research done into the kind of Chemo that only attacks > > the cancer and not the healthy cells...and should only be used when less toxic > > treatments fail. ng the gentler treatments a chance to work. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Good question, Alicja, I believe choices like turning to chemotherapy are often fear-driven. Since " some " people survive (in spite of the chemo), there is this " hope " out there that you, too, will be one of those fortunate survivors. My wife went to a clinic in Mexico when she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer; she first refused all conventional treatment - surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation. The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to rise again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. Some improvement, but still not " enough " ... So now she felt as if something " stronger " was needed. In a certain sense I agreed, but NOT as strong as conventional medicine proposes. Unfortunately, you can't " negotiate " the dosages - they follow what is prescribed by the drug manufacturers, based on their studies. I would have tried some other alternative methods and been more diligent with my diet, etc., but my wife felt like she had tried the alternative approach and it did not bring success to her. HOWEVER, after a year and a half of chemotherapy, her cancer is STILL spreading - she now has inflammatory breast cancer - and this in spite of the constant sickness caused not by the cancer, but by the " treatment " ! It has confirmed my belief that the conventional approaches are NOT for me - I would prefer dying while trying something more humane. Alternative approaches do not guarantee a " cure " , but neither does conventional medicine (I hesitate even calling it " medicine " ....). However, the conventional approaches can often guarantee some very nasty side-effects that really take away one's quality of life for the time remaining. I've now seen this first-hand...unfortunately... I think people turn to conventional medicine out of fear, looking for hope, and trusting the " experts " ... They think that if something better was out there, " they " (the doctors) would know about it and would be using it... It's also easier to do this - simply abdicate your health to someone else, and if things don't go well you don't have to blame yourself! Most people are too busy with everyday life (or lazy...or both...)to learn about health issues and take care of themselves. It's a lot of work to learn about the functions of the body and how to understand and deal with the numerous health issues, including the politics of medicine. The few that do, are simply marching to the beat of a different drummer...and are hopefully on a path to better health.... Bob B. Re: Jim > > > > In a message dated 1/8/04 10:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > cliffb865@... writes: > > > > > > > Chemo can be deadly stuff. The idea is, I understand, that the chemo will > > > hurt the cancer cells more than the rest of the body and the rest of the > > > body will hopefully recover. > > > > > There should be more research done into the kind of Chemo that only attacks > > the cancer and not the healthy cells...and should only be used when less toxic > > treatments fail. ng the gentler treatments a chance to work. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 In a message dated 1/9/04 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, apietraho@... writes: > The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > >cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to rise > >again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. Some > >improvement, but still not " enough " ... > Hi Bob: I hope things work out for you and especially your wife. I would appreciate to know if you may shed some light on the alternative treatment used in Mexico; during the 6 month gap and the reason for the return to the clinic in Mexico and what they did during those 3 weeks? Perhaps this info may help others on this site to better understand about treatments from these Mexican based clinics. I wish you and your wife all the best. Thank you, Ciro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 In a message dated 1/9/04 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, apietraho@... writes: > The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > >cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to rise > >again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. Some > >improvement, but still not " enough " ... > Hi Bob: I hope things work out for you and especially your wife. I would appreciate to know if you may shed some light on the alternative treatment used in Mexico; during the 6 month gap and the reason for the return to the clinic in Mexico and what they did during those 3 weeks? Perhaps this info may help others on this site to better understand about treatments from these Mexican based clinics. I wish you and your wife all the best. Thank you, Ciro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Well said, Jim. I can see this problem around me - people are taking dilligently all the pills prescribed and get other health problems. when I asked somebody if they read the product info on the drug to learn more about it they didn't know what I was talking about - and it's so easy. Just ask for it at the drug store and you get all the info including a long list of side effects. May be because we are used to " instant gratification " and as you said have busy life and don't have time and patience to wait for usually longer results of herbs or diet. Unfortunatley we have to find the time to die and... hard to believe- the world will go on even without us. alicia > Re: Jim > > Good question, Alicja, > > I believe choices like turning to chemotherapy are often fear-driven. Since > " some " people survive (in spite of the chemo), there is this " hope " out > there that you, too, will be one of those fortunate survivors. > > My wife went to a clinic in Mexico when she was diagnosed with ovarian > cancer; she first refused all conventional treatment - surgery, > chemotherapy, and radiation. The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to rise > again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. Some > improvement, but still not " enough " ... So now she felt as if something > " stronger " was needed. In a certain sense I agreed, but NOT as strong as > conventional medicine proposes. Unfortunately, you can't " negotiate " the > dosages - they follow what is prescribed by the drug manufacturers, based on > their studies. > > I would have tried some other alternative methods and been more diligent > with my diet, etc., but my wife felt like she had tried the alternative > approach and it did not bring success to her. HOWEVER, after a year and a > half of chemotherapy, her cancer is STILL spreading - she now has > inflammatory breast cancer - and this in spite of the constant sickness > caused not by the cancer, but by the " treatment " ! It has confirmed my > belief that the conventional approaches are NOT for me - I would prefer > dying while trying something more humane. Alternative approaches do not > guarantee a " cure " , but neither does conventional medicine (I hesitate even > calling it " medicine " ....). However, the conventional approaches can often > guarantee some very nasty side-effects that really take away one's quality > of life for the time remaining. I've now seen this > first-hand...unfortunately... > > I think people turn to conventional medicine out of fear, looking for hope, > and trusting the " experts " ... They think that if something better was out > there, " they " (the doctors) would know about it and would be using it... > It's also easier to do this - simply abdicate your health to someone else, > and if things don't go well you don't have to blame yourself! Most people > are too busy with everyday life (or lazy...or both...)to learn about health > issues and take care of themselves. It's a lot of work to learn about the > functions of the body and how to understand and deal with the numerous > health issues, including the politics of medicine. The few that do, are > simply marching to the beat of a different drummer...and are hopefully on a > path to better health.... > > Bob B. > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Jim > > > > > > In a message dated 1/8/04 10:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > cliffb865@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > Chemo can be deadly stuff. The idea is, I understand, that the chemo > will > > > > hurt the cancer cells more than the rest of the body and the rest of > the > > > > body will hopefully recover. > > > > > > > There should be more research done into the kind of Chemo that only > attacks > > > the cancer and not the healthy cells...and should only be used when less > toxic > > > treatments fail. ng the gentler treatments a chance to work. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Well said, Jim. I can see this problem around me - people are taking dilligently all the pills prescribed and get other health problems. when I asked somebody if they read the product info on the drug to learn more about it they didn't know what I was talking about - and it's so easy. Just ask for it at the drug store and you get all the info including a long list of side effects. May be because we are used to " instant gratification " and as you said have busy life and don't have time and patience to wait for usually longer results of herbs or diet. Unfortunatley we have to find the time to die and... hard to believe- the world will go on even without us. alicia > Re: Jim > > Good question, Alicja, > > I believe choices like turning to chemotherapy are often fear-driven. Since > " some " people survive (in spite of the chemo), there is this " hope " out > there that you, too, will be one of those fortunate survivors. > > My wife went to a clinic in Mexico when she was diagnosed with ovarian > cancer; she first refused all conventional treatment - surgery, > chemotherapy, and radiation. The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to rise > again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. Some > improvement, but still not " enough " ... So now she felt as if something > " stronger " was needed. In a certain sense I agreed, but NOT as strong as > conventional medicine proposes. Unfortunately, you can't " negotiate " the > dosages - they follow what is prescribed by the drug manufacturers, based on > their studies. > > I would have tried some other alternative methods and been more diligent > with my diet, etc., but my wife felt like she had tried the alternative > approach and it did not bring success to her. HOWEVER, after a year and a > half of chemotherapy, her cancer is STILL spreading - she now has > inflammatory breast cancer - and this in spite of the constant sickness > caused not by the cancer, but by the " treatment " ! It has confirmed my > belief that the conventional approaches are NOT for me - I would prefer > dying while trying something more humane. Alternative approaches do not > guarantee a " cure " , but neither does conventional medicine (I hesitate even > calling it " medicine " ....). However, the conventional approaches can often > guarantee some very nasty side-effects that really take away one's quality > of life for the time remaining. I've now seen this > first-hand...unfortunately... > > I think people turn to conventional medicine out of fear, looking for hope, > and trusting the " experts " ... They think that if something better was out > there, " they " (the doctors) would know about it and would be using it... > It's also easier to do this - simply abdicate your health to someone else, > and if things don't go well you don't have to blame yourself! Most people > are too busy with everyday life (or lazy...or both...)to learn about health > issues and take care of themselves. It's a lot of work to learn about the > functions of the body and how to understand and deal with the numerous > health issues, including the politics of medicine. The few that do, are > simply marching to the beat of a different drummer...and are hopefully on a > path to better health.... > > Bob B. > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Jim > > > > > > In a message dated 1/8/04 10:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > cliffb865@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > Chemo can be deadly stuff. The idea is, I understand, that the chemo > will > > > > hurt the cancer cells more than the rest of the body and the rest of > the > > > > body will hopefully recover. > > > > > > > There should be more research done into the kind of Chemo that only > attacks > > > the cancer and not the healthy cells...and should only be used when less > toxic > > > treatments fail. ng the gentler treatments a chance to work. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 If I may ask, what clinic in Mexico did you go to? Thanks, Clint > In a message dated 1/9/04 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > apietraho@c... writes: > > > The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > > >cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to rise > > >again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. Some > > >improvement, but still not " enough " ... > > > > Hi Bob: > I hope things work out for you and especially your wife. > > I would appreciate to know if you may shed some light on the alternative > treatment used in Mexico; during the 6 month gap and the reason for the return to > the clinic in Mexico and what they did during those 3 weeks? > > Perhaps this info may help others on this site to better understand about > treatments from these Mexican based clinics. > > I wish you and your wife all the best. > Thank you, Ciro > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 If I may ask, what clinic in Mexico did you go to? Thanks, Clint > In a message dated 1/9/04 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > apietraho@c... writes: > > > The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > > >cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to rise > > >again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. Some > > >improvement, but still not " enough " ... > > > > Hi Bob: > I hope things work out for you and especially your wife. > > I would appreciate to know if you may shed some light on the alternative > treatment used in Mexico; during the 6 month gap and the reason for the return to > the clinic in Mexico and what they did during those 3 weeks? > > Perhaps this info may help others on this site to better understand about > treatments from these Mexican based clinics. > > I wish you and your wife all the best. > Thank you, Ciro > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Hi Ciro, Probably the best way to learn about the treatments in Mexico is to go to the website (www.hospitalsantamonica.com) - they have a more complete description of the therapies offered there - IPT (Insulin Potentiation Therapy), Rife, Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation, Hyperbaric Oxygen, hyperthermia, modified diet, ozone therapy, and much more. It is Karl Donsbach's clinic, south of Tijuana. They give you a complete program of therapies - not just one or two treatments. It costs about $1000/day, and that covers everything except your traveling expenses; a 3-week regimen is recommended. Any return visits cost $500/day. I went with my wife and stayed in the room with her - for about $35/day (room and meals!). We were pleased with the hospital and staff. The home protocol costs about $400-500/mo. for the supplements one needs. Insurance did not pay for any of this...or the hospital stay... We spent about $25,000 for the first trip; about $12,000 for the second visit, and about $5000 for supplements and equipment in between. I think my out-of-pocket expenses for that year were about $54,000. Not cheap, but neither is chemotherapy/radiation - it's just that the insurance companies will PAY to have you poisoned. We literally saw people come in there unable to get out of bed; they were in a wheelchair a week later; walking after another week. Others were there for a " recharge " of their immune system after having been sent home to die by their doctors in the states - up to 8 years ago! Of course, there were those that did not make it, too - we learned of some going home and succumbing to the disease. I wonder how diligent they were with their home protocol; I think many are not capable of sticking with it once they are at home and on their own. My wife did not do as much as she should have, in spite of my prodding. We returned because she was having some feelings/sensations in her abdomen AND her CA-125 (tumor marker numbers) rose again. In other words, the cancer was returning. The second visit was similar to the first one, though they did a lesser dose of chemotherapy in the IPT (which is already a low-dose form of chemotherapy - one that is acceptable to me and my wife). Her blood count was too low for any higher doses in their opinion. Do I think we did the right thing by going there? Absolutely. I regret that we could not afford to stay there longer - they are definitely on the right track there and did as much good as conventional treatment except without the horrible side effects. After a year and a half of conventional treatment, my wife's cancer is continuing to spread, including a " separate " cancer - Inflammatory Breast Cancer, which is a bad one... If we had been doing the alternative treatments for the past year and a half, and had the cancer spread like this, then many would be saying: " SEE, it DOESN'T WORK! " ... But, since it is an " accepted " form of treatment, she is seen as " doing all she can " ...and is " fighting bravely " ... I think it's insane. I hope this helps someone. The clinics in Mexico are NOT some dirty little buildings on the side roads of Mexico. They have good accomodations, good doctors and nurses/staff members, and a program that far exceeds what is usually found here in the states. I wish our doctors and nurses would go there and check these places out - they could learn a lot... Bob B. Re: Jim > In a message dated 1/9/04 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > apietraho@... writes: > > > The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > > >cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to rise > > >again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. Some > > >improvement, but still not " enough " ... > > > > Hi Bob: > I hope things work out for you and especially your wife. > > I would appreciate to know if you may shed some light on the alternative > treatment used in Mexico; during the 6 month gap and the reason for the return to > the clinic in Mexico and what they did during those 3 weeks? > > Perhaps this info may help others on this site to better understand about > treatments from these Mexican based clinics. > > I wish you and your wife all the best. > Thank you, Ciro > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Hi Ciro, Probably the best way to learn about the treatments in Mexico is to go to the website (www.hospitalsantamonica.com) - they have a more complete description of the therapies offered there - IPT (Insulin Potentiation Therapy), Rife, Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation, Hyperbaric Oxygen, hyperthermia, modified diet, ozone therapy, and much more. It is Karl Donsbach's clinic, south of Tijuana. They give you a complete program of therapies - not just one or two treatments. It costs about $1000/day, and that covers everything except your traveling expenses; a 3-week regimen is recommended. Any return visits cost $500/day. I went with my wife and stayed in the room with her - for about $35/day (room and meals!). We were pleased with the hospital and staff. The home protocol costs about $400-500/mo. for the supplements one needs. Insurance did not pay for any of this...or the hospital stay... We spent about $25,000 for the first trip; about $12,000 for the second visit, and about $5000 for supplements and equipment in between. I think my out-of-pocket expenses for that year were about $54,000. Not cheap, but neither is chemotherapy/radiation - it's just that the insurance companies will PAY to have you poisoned. We literally saw people come in there unable to get out of bed; they were in a wheelchair a week later; walking after another week. Others were there for a " recharge " of their immune system after having been sent home to die by their doctors in the states - up to 8 years ago! Of course, there were those that did not make it, too - we learned of some going home and succumbing to the disease. I wonder how diligent they were with their home protocol; I think many are not capable of sticking with it once they are at home and on their own. My wife did not do as much as she should have, in spite of my prodding. We returned because she was having some feelings/sensations in her abdomen AND her CA-125 (tumor marker numbers) rose again. In other words, the cancer was returning. The second visit was similar to the first one, though they did a lesser dose of chemotherapy in the IPT (which is already a low-dose form of chemotherapy - one that is acceptable to me and my wife). Her blood count was too low for any higher doses in their opinion. Do I think we did the right thing by going there? Absolutely. I regret that we could not afford to stay there longer - they are definitely on the right track there and did as much good as conventional treatment except without the horrible side effects. After a year and a half of conventional treatment, my wife's cancer is continuing to spread, including a " separate " cancer - Inflammatory Breast Cancer, which is a bad one... If we had been doing the alternative treatments for the past year and a half, and had the cancer spread like this, then many would be saying: " SEE, it DOESN'T WORK! " ... But, since it is an " accepted " form of treatment, she is seen as " doing all she can " ...and is " fighting bravely " ... I think it's insane. I hope this helps someone. The clinics in Mexico are NOT some dirty little buildings on the side roads of Mexico. They have good accomodations, good doctors and nurses/staff members, and a program that far exceeds what is usually found here in the states. I wish our doctors and nurses would go there and check these places out - they could learn a lot... Bob B. Re: Jim > In a message dated 1/9/04 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > apietraho@... writes: > > > The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > > >cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to rise > > >again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. Some > > >improvement, but still not " enough " ... > > > > Hi Bob: > I hope things work out for you and especially your wife. > > I would appreciate to know if you may shed some light on the alternative > treatment used in Mexico; during the 6 month gap and the reason for the return to > the clinic in Mexico and what they did during those 3 weeks? > > Perhaps this info may help others on this site to better understand about > treatments from these Mexican based clinics. > > I wish you and your wife all the best. > Thank you, Ciro > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 We went to Hospital Santa . www.hosptialsantamonica.com See my response to Ciro I just sent... Bob B. Re: Jim > If I may ask, what clinic in Mexico did you go to? > > Thanks, > Clint > > > > > > In a message dated 1/9/04 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > apietraho@c... writes: > > > > > The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > > > >cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) > started to rise > > > >again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 > weeks. Some > > > >improvement, but still not " enough " ... > > > > > > > Hi Bob: > > I hope things work out for you and especially your wife. > > > > I would appreciate to know if you may shed some light on the > alternative > > treatment used in Mexico; during the 6 month gap and the reason > for the return to > > the clinic in Mexico and what they did during those 3 weeks? > > > > Perhaps this info may help others on this site to better understand > about > > treatments from these Mexican based clinics. > > > > I wish you and your wife all the best. > > Thank you, Ciro > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 We went to Hospital Santa . www.hosptialsantamonica.com See my response to Ciro I just sent... Bob B. Re: Jim > If I may ask, what clinic in Mexico did you go to? > > Thanks, > Clint > > > > > > In a message dated 1/9/04 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > apietraho@c... writes: > > > > > The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > > > >cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) > started to rise > > > >again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 > weeks. Some > > > >improvement, but still not " enough " ... > > > > > > > Hi Bob: > > I hope things work out for you and especially your wife. > > > > I would appreciate to know if you may shed some light on the > alternative > > treatment used in Mexico; during the 6 month gap and the reason > for the return to > > the clinic in Mexico and what they did during those 3 weeks? > > > > Perhaps this info may help others on this site to better understand > about > > treatments from these Mexican based clinics. > > > > I wish you and your wife all the best. > > Thank you, Ciro > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 In a message dated 1/10/04 7:22:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, bchriste@... writes: > Unfortunately not all of us can afford the > treatment and hve to rely on alternative methods There is a lady in NYC that runs a group called Alternative Cancer Therapies. She works through donations and has had great success with helping people to overcome cancer. Much of it is based on bowel cleansing and juicing. Her name is Ruth Sackman. For those with limited income, this is a great support in finding a path back to health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 In a message dated 1/10/04 7:22:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, bchriste@... writes: > Unfortunately not all of us can afford the > treatment and hve to rely on alternative methods There is a lady in NYC that runs a group called Alternative Cancer Therapies. She works through donations and has had great success with helping people to overcome cancer. Much of it is based on bowel cleansing and juicing. Her name is Ruth Sackman. For those with limited income, this is a great support in finding a path back to health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Bob, thank you for this very informative email. It straightened out my thinking re treatment in Mexico. Unfortunately not all of us can afford the treatment and hve to rely on alternative methods. My best to you and your wife. Blessings, Bev. Re: Jim > > > > In a message dated 1/9/04 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > apietraho@... writes: > > > > > The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > > > >cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to > rise > > > >again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. > Some > > > >improvement, but still not " enough " ... > > > > > > > Hi Bob: > > I hope things work out for you and especially your wife. > > > > I would appreciate to know if you may shed some light on the alternative > > treatment used in Mexico; during the 6 month gap and the reason for the > return to > > the clinic in Mexico and what they did during those 3 weeks? > > > > Perhaps this info may help others on this site to better understand about > > treatments from these Mexican based clinics. > > > > I wish you and your wife all the best. > > Thank you, Ciro > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Bob, thank you for this very informative email. It straightened out my thinking re treatment in Mexico. Unfortunately not all of us can afford the treatment and hve to rely on alternative methods. My best to you and your wife. Blessings, Bev. Re: Jim > > > > In a message dated 1/9/04 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > apietraho@... writes: > > > > > The clinic helpled quite a bit, but she was not > > > >cured by any means. When her tumor marker numbers (CA-125) started to > rise > > > >again about 6 months later, we returned to Mexico for another 3 weeks. > Some > > > >improvement, but still not " enough " ... > > > > > > > Hi Bob: > > I hope things work out for you and especially your wife. > > > > I would appreciate to know if you may shed some light on the alternative > > treatment used in Mexico; during the 6 month gap and the reason for the > return to > > the clinic in Mexico and what they did during those 3 weeks? > > > > Perhaps this info may help others on this site to better understand about > > treatments from these Mexican based clinics. > > > > I wish you and your wife all the best. > > Thank you, Ciro > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Thanks . Appreciate this information. Bev. Re: Jim > In a message dated 1/10/04 7:22:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bchriste@... writes: > > > > Unfortunately not all of us can afford the > > treatment and hve to rely on alternative methods > > There is a lady in NYC that runs a group called Alternative Cancer Therapies. > She works through donations and has had great success with helping people to > overcome cancer. Much of it is based on bowel cleansing and juicing. Her > name is Ruth Sackman. For those with limited income, this is a great support in > finding a path back to health. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Thanks . Appreciate this information. Bev. Re: Jim > In a message dated 1/10/04 7:22:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bchriste@... writes: > > > > Unfortunately not all of us can afford the > > treatment and hve to rely on alternative methods > > There is a lady in NYC that runs a group called Alternative Cancer Therapies. > She works through donations and has had great success with helping people to > overcome cancer. Much of it is based on bowel cleansing and juicing. Her > name is Ruth Sackman. For those with limited income, this is a great support in > finding a path back to health. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Thank you Bob. Your responce (as we have seen) has already helped some people on this site. What I didn't notice in your letter (to me) was the use of B17 (Laetrile); apricot seeds and pancreatic enzymes by the clinic in Mexico. Not long ago (on this site) I gave written testimony of a cat who was diagnosed ($2,000 worth) with two tumors (one deadly & fast growing) by a famous animal hospital in N.Y.C. The Vets gave it 3 months to live. Anyhow, By using ground up apricot seeds, B17 tablets and pancreatic enzymes. This cat is alive and well, today. That was 17 months ago. Several months ago. I noticed a fatty tumor (the size of a pea) on the neck of my soon to be 11 year old dog. As most know.These fatty tumors are mostly harmless and found on older dogs. I knew that it couldn't have been a cancerous tumor (since like me) we both eat apricot seeds, take pancreatic enzymes and vitamins. Last week it began to grow. It got to the size of a quarter. I mixed up a batch of Essiac tea (which I take to shore up my immune system, especially during the flu season) and gave it to my dog in his drinking water. Within a week. This fatty tumor was completely disolved and there is no sign of it returning in any shape or form. Perhaps some of this info may be of help to others on this website and as always I wish you and all on this site the very best. Good luck Ciro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Thank you Bob. Your responce (as we have seen) has already helped some people on this site. What I didn't notice in your letter (to me) was the use of B17 (Laetrile); apricot seeds and pancreatic enzymes by the clinic in Mexico. Not long ago (on this site) I gave written testimony of a cat who was diagnosed ($2,000 worth) with two tumors (one deadly & fast growing) by a famous animal hospital in N.Y.C. The Vets gave it 3 months to live. Anyhow, By using ground up apricot seeds, B17 tablets and pancreatic enzymes. This cat is alive and well, today. That was 17 months ago. Several months ago. I noticed a fatty tumor (the size of a pea) on the neck of my soon to be 11 year old dog. As most know.These fatty tumors are mostly harmless and found on older dogs. I knew that it couldn't have been a cancerous tumor (since like me) we both eat apricot seeds, take pancreatic enzymes and vitamins. Last week it began to grow. It got to the size of a quarter. I mixed up a batch of Essiac tea (which I take to shore up my immune system, especially during the flu season) and gave it to my dog in his drinking water. Within a week. This fatty tumor was completely disolved and there is no sign of it returning in any shape or form. Perhaps some of this info may be of help to others on this website and as always I wish you and all on this site the very best. Good luck Ciro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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