Re: Re: LDN, Alpha Lipoic Acid & Breast Cancer

[Guest guest]

Artemisinin works by oxidative stress in reaction with iron in the

cancer cells (Cancer cells often sequester plentiful iron stores). The

problem with the Vitamin c is that, although it increases the absorption

of iron in the intestinal lumen, it is also a robust antioxidant in

cellular cytoplasm. Liposomal vitamin C in particular is great at

getting across the membrane into cancer cells. You can get levels up

this way that rival the results of intravenous C. The problem here is

that high levels of C might quench the reaction with arte vs. iron and

hydrogen peroxide generation will be blocked. The best I can suggest is

to give the two things (arte and liposomal C) as far apart as possible.

Also be aware that the arte should be taken on an on/off schedule.

Perhaps 5 days on and 5 days off. This is in order to do two

things...1) keep the absorption up. Absorption falls off rapidly by day

5 with arte.....2) prevent the upregulation of degrading enzymes.

Enzymes that break arte down are stimulated by taking it for more than a

few days.....Papers on this are available online since arte has been

used for quite some time to treat malaria.

Mike

algarve7 wrote:

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> I was wondering about that, but when I read the presentation by Dr Singh

> below I thought it might be ok. What do you think? I pasted the bits

> about vitamin C in the presentation.

>

> Usually she takes the Artemisinin before her morning walk on an empty

> stomach, and an hour or 2 later has the vitamin C after she gets back,

> before breakfast. The second vitamin C is before dinner, and the

> Artemisinin around bedtime, away from meals.

>

> Artemisinin in Cancer Treatment

> Dr. Narendra P. Singh

>

> Department of Bioengineering University of Washington

> Seattle

>

> Q. What form of iron works with artemisinin?

> A. Artemisinin reacts with ferrous iron (Fe2+). Transferrin carries

> ferric iron (Fe3+) to the cell surface, the ferric iron is then

> converted to the ferrous form (Vitamin C can do this) and reacts with

> artemisinin.

>

> Q. Should an iron supplement be taken along with artemisinin?

> A. No. This is not necessary. Iron is abundant in our diet in two forms:

> heme iron (found in animal products) and non-heme iron (found in plant

> products). Vitamin C helps in the absorption of non-heme iron, which is

> generally harder to absorb.

>

> Q. How does Vitamin C affect the results?

> A. If taken after breakfast and after lunch, it enhances the iron

> absorption from the stomach. Iron is taken up more by cancer cells and

> thus Vitamin C makes cancer cells more susceptible for killing by

> artemisinin.

>

> I guess they mean the vitamin C should be taken after breakfast and

> after lunch.

>

> Q. How do other vitamins and antioxidants affect the results?

> A. Different studies show different results with vitamin E. Our own work

> shows glutathione enhances cancer cell growth and reduces the efficacy

> of artemisinin.

>

> http://www.artemisin.com/artemisinin.pdf

> <http://www.artemisin.com/artemisinin.pdf>

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> > >

> > >

> > > Does anyone think intravenous Alpha Lipoic Acid might be a good idea

> for

> > > breast cancer? Dr Burt Berkson seems to use it with his cancer

> patients.

> > >

> > > At the moment my wife is taking 4.5mg LDN at bedtime together with

> > > 1200mg oral Alpha Lipoic Acid. So far there haven't been any side

> > > effects. She's been on LDN for nearly 2 months. She also takes

> 10,000mg

> > > Liposomal vitamin C, 300mg Liposomal CoQ10 and 6000IU vitamin D3

> plus a

> > > number of other supplements in lower doses, as well as 400mg

> Artemisinin

> > > (morning and evening on an empty stomach with some yoghurt and flax

> seed

> > > oil), and 165mg Maitake Pro-D Fraction.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any suggestions.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Should say R on the label, like this one.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU251/ItemDetail

I believe for short term use the R-S is ok but I believe after awhile the S

causes problems for the body, which is something you do not want.

> Now that you mention it, I'm not

> sure. It doesn't actually say on the

> bottle. I guess it's actually the more common R,S-Alpha

> Lipoic Acid.

> This one:

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here are a couple of web sites with some info.

http://www.advance-health.com/rlipoicacid.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipoic_acid

> From: gs1 <grapeseed1@...>

> Subject: [ ] Re: LDN, Alpha Lipoic Acid & Breast Cancer

>

> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 10:10 PM

> " I believe for short term use the R-S

> is ok but I believe after awhile the S causes problems for

> the body, which is something you do not want. "

>

> Should we only take R-lipoic Acid? What kind of problem

> does regular alpha lipoic acid have after a while other than

> biotin deficiency?

>

> hope

[Guest guest]

For breast cancer, you may want to look into Gerson Therapy as well.

jen -

From: zahavi <zahavi100@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN, Alpha Lipoic Acid & Breast Cancerlow dose naltrexone Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:17 AM

you should contact dr berkson and ask the question.listening to his radio interview,when the ALA is oral it does its works almost only in the liver.when you do it iv it goes to all parts of the body.>> Does anyone think intravenous Alpha Lipoic Acid might be a good idea for breast cancer? Dr Burt Berkson seems to use it with his cancer patients.> > At the moment my wife is taking 4.5mg LDN at bedtime together with 1200mg oral Alpha Lipoic Acid. So far there haven't been any side effects. She's been on LDN for nearly 2 months. She also takes 10,000mg Liposomal vitamin C, 300mg Liposomal CoQ10 and 6000IU vitamin D3 plus a number of other supplements in lower

doses, as well as 400mg Artemisinin (morning and evening on an empty stomach with some yoghurt and flax seed oil), and 165mg Maitake Pro-D Fraction.> > Thanks for any suggestions.>