Re: LDN, Alpha Lipoic Acid & Breast Cancer

[Guest guest]

Liposomal vitamin C can be a wonderful thing, but it is quite likely

blocking that artemisinin from having any effect.

Mike

algarve7 wrote:

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> Does anyone think intravenous Alpha Lipoic Acid might be a good idea for

> breast cancer? Dr Burt Berkson seems to use it with his cancer patients.

>

> At the moment my wife is taking 4.5mg LDN at bedtime together with

> 1200mg oral Alpha Lipoic Acid. So far there haven't been any side

> effects. She's been on LDN for nearly 2 months. She also takes 10,000mg

> Liposomal vitamin C, 300mg Liposomal CoQ10 and 6000IU vitamin D3 plus a

> number of other supplements in lower doses, as well as 400mg Artemisinin

> (morning and evening on an empty stomach with some yoghurt and flax seed

> oil), and 165mg Maitake Pro-D Fraction.

>

> Thanks for any suggestions.

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[Guest guest]

you should contact dr berkson and ask the question.listening to his radio

interview,when the ALA is oral it does its works almost only in the liver.when

you do it iv it goes to all parts of the body.

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> Does anyone think intravenous Alpha Lipoic Acid might be a good idea for

breast cancer? Dr Burt Berkson seems to use it with his cancer patients.

>

> At the moment my wife is taking 4.5mg LDN at bedtime together with 1200mg oral

Alpha Lipoic Acid. So far there haven't been any side effects. She's been on LDN

for nearly 2 months. She also takes 10,000mg Liposomal vitamin C, 300mg

Liposomal CoQ10 and 6000IU vitamin D3 plus a number of other supplements in

lower doses, as well as 400mg Artemisinin (morning and evening on an empty

stomach with some yoghurt and flax seed oil), and 165mg Maitake Pro-D Fraction.

>

> Thanks for any suggestions.

>

[Guest guest]

Is the ALA your wife is taking the natural kind? Would say R-ala on the

supplement facts label on the bottle.

Joe

> Does anyone think intravenous Alpha

> Lipoic Acid might be a good idea for

> breast cancer? Dr Burt Berkson seems to use it with his

> cancer patients.

>

> At the moment my wife is taking 4.5mg LDN at bedtime

> together with

> 1200mg oral Alpha Lipoic Acid. So far there haven't been

> any side

> effects. She's been on LDN for nearly 2 months. She also

> takes 10,000mg

> Liposomal vitamin C, 300mg Liposomal CoQ10 and 6000IU

> vitamin D3 plus a

> number of other supplements in lower doses, as well as

> 400mg Artemisinin

> (morning and evening on an empty stomach with some yoghurt

> and flax seed

> oil), and 165mg Maitake Pro-D Fraction.

>

> Thanks for any suggestions.

[Guest guest]

I was wondering about that, but when I read the presentation by Dr Singh

below I thought it might be ok. What do you think? I pasted the bits

about vitamin C in the presentation.

Usually she takes the Artemisinin before her morning walk on an empty

stomach, and an hour or 2 later has the vitamin C after she gets back,

before breakfast. The second vitamin C is before dinner, and the

Artemisinin around bedtime, away from meals.

Artemisinin in Cancer Treatment

Dr. Narendra P. Singh

Department of Bioengineering University of Washington

Seattle

Q. What form of iron works with artemisinin?

A. Artemisinin reacts with ferrous iron (Fe2+). Transferrin carries

ferric iron (Fe3+) to the cell surface, the ferric iron is then

converted to the ferrous form (Vitamin C can do this) and reacts with

artemisinin.

Q. Should an iron supplement be taken along with artemisinin?

A. No. This is not necessary. Iron is abundant in our diet in two forms:

heme iron (found in animal products) and non-heme iron (found in plant

products). Vitamin C helps in the absorption of non-heme iron, which is

generally harder to absorb.

Q. How does Vitamin C affect the results?

A. If taken after breakfast and after lunch, it enhances the iron

absorption from the stomach. Iron is taken up more by cancer cells and

thus Vitamin C makes cancer cells more susceptible for killing by

artemisinin.

I guess they mean the vitamin C should be taken after breakfast and

after lunch.

Q. How do other vitamins and antioxidants affect the results?

A. Different studies show different results with vitamin E. Our own work

shows glutathione enhances cancer cell growth and reduces the efficacy

of artemisinin.

http://www.artemisin.com/artemisinin.pdf

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> >

> > Does anyone think intravenous Alpha Lipoic Acid might be a good idea

for

> > breast cancer? Dr Burt Berkson seems to use it with his cancer

patients.

> >

> > At the moment my wife is taking 4.5mg LDN at bedtime together with

> > 1200mg oral Alpha Lipoic Acid. So far there haven't been any side

> > effects. She's been on LDN for nearly 2 months. She also takes

10,000mg

> > Liposomal vitamin C, 300mg Liposomal CoQ10 and 6000IU vitamin D3

plus a

> > number of other supplements in lower doses, as well as 400mg

Artemisinin

> > (morning and evening on an empty stomach with some yoghurt and flax

seed

> > oil), and 165mg Maitake Pro-D Fraction.

> >

> > Thanks for any suggestions.

[Guest guest]

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure. It doesn't actually say on the

bottle. I guess it's actually the more common R,S-Alpha Lipoic Acid.

This one:

http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Alpha-Lipoic-Acid-600-mg-120-Vcaps/7270?a\

t=0

So I guess it's impossible to know the proportion of real and synthetic.

Maybe I should get the R-ALA next time. I read that 50 mg R-ALA is

equivalent to 100 mg S-ALA.

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> Is the ALA your wife is taking the natural kind? Would say R-ala on

the supplement facts label on the bottle.

> Joe

>

[Guest guest]

" I believe for short term use the R-S is ok but I believe after awhile the S

causes problems for the body, which is something you do not want. "

Should we only take R-lipoic Acid? What kind of problem does regular alpha

lipoic acid have after a while other than biotin deficiency?

hope

[Guest guest]

Now I recall Dr Burt Berkson talking about the R-form of Alpha Lipoic

Acid on The Bradley Show on 22 July, 2009. You can listen to it

here as well as other doctors speaking on LDN:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mary-boyle-bradley

Direct link to mp3 audio file:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/-Boyle-Bradley/2009/07/31/The--Brad\

ley-Show.mp3?localembed=download

He says in the interview that R-ALA theoretically a great idea. But he

asks the following 3 questions of the manufacturers:

1. Is the product in the USA made from the prescription powder from

Europe, or is it made from some Chinese industrial powder from China?

2. How is the R-form separated from the S-form? Do they use toxic

hydrocarbons? When they separate it, are there any residues of the toxic

hydrocarbon in the R supplement?

3. If the R-form is actually very safe and free of any contaminants from

good initial product, why is the prescription drug in Europe still the R

plus S form?

He said nobody has been able to answer these questions. He was asked to

write articles on this to promote the R form by magazines, which he did,

but the editors asked him to take those 3 questions out, because they

wouldn't get advertising from the manufacturers. Before he wrote the

articles, he asked the magazines if they want a cheerleader article or

an honest article, and they always said they wanted an honest article...

There is a patent on the R-form held by the Germans, and he said it

wasn't out on the market there because of these (last two) questions.

Going by that information, a good quality R-S product should be

perfectly fine for long term use. If anything, it may be safer since

it's been in use for much longer.

He said the R-form isn't new either, it's just that it has been put on

the market in Europe.

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> " I believe for short term use the R-S is ok but I believe after awhile

the S causes problems for the body, which is something you do not want. "

>

> Should we only take R-lipoic Acid? What kind of problem does regular

alpha lipoic acid have after a while other than biotin deficiency?

>

> hope

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I've ordered The Alpha Lipoic Acid Breakthrough by Burt Berkson and I'll

have a read of that too.

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> Here are a couple of web sites with some info.

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> http://www.advance-health.com/rlipoicacid.html

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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipoic_acid

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