Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Hi Pat, I'm glad that you are doing well, but where is the evidence that bio-identical hormones are safe? Where are the double-blind studies? Hormone therapy whether bio-identical or otherwise is still hormone therapy and hormones are known to stimulate the growth of normal and cancerous breast cells. Those interested in getting information about naturalhormones for menopause symptoms would be wise to ignore both celebrity testimonials and information gleaned from websites that sell products or services connected with these hormones because vested interest is a powerful motivator. Internet testimonials can also not be trusted unless you are a personal, as opposed to an internet, friend.  I know a woman who has taken these hormones for years and actively promotes them on the internet, but she never mentions that she had a recurrence of breast cancer and a double mastectomy while taking them. So be sure your sources are reliable. All the best, Marie ________________________________ From: health13gal <healthlady2@...> Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 5:51:39 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Hormone therapy breast cancer risk study Well the study is talking about HRT and not BHRT [bio-Identical Hormone Replacement Therapy], that's a huge difference. Yes HRT certainly does increase the risk of breast cancer, and they have been proving that for years. Pat Haas (happy to be doing well on BHRT) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 There are many studies that have been done with bioidentical HRT. Double-blind studies have almost become comical because they are so easily made to say whatever the " funder " of the study wants. This is one of many reasons why so many pharmaceutical drugs kill and maim even after all those important clinical trials and studies indicated that the drug is safe. We are not clones and conventional medicine acts on the premise that we are all the same. This is why conventional medicine does not have good success when it comes to most disease. If one is truly deficient then balancing the hormones as well as the entire body is VERY important for cancer survival. I don't think anyone has said or implied they are a cure for cancer or will keep one from getting cancer -- although maybe I missed that part. However, I do know that a balanced body has a better chance of avoiding cancer than one that is not balanced. Indicating that all hormone therapy is the same or has the same effect on the body is incorrect. Several pages to research from Lynn on our list: http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/progesterone According to more than 20 studies, breast cancer patients taking hormones after diagnosis survive as long as or longer than those who take no hormones. http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/hrt I would refer you to Dr. Wren's actual study where 50% of the breast cancer patients died who did NOT take HRT. None of those taking HRT died. Write him again and he will reinforce those findings in his own work. The O'Meara research he actually quotes which is NOT anecdotal attributes a considerable advantage to taking HRT after diagnosis of breast cancer. http://breastcancerchoices.org/files/omeara_HRT_post_bc.pdf Here is an excellent article reviewing taking hormones after breast cancer diagnosis. http://www.obgmanagement.com/pdf/1406/1406OBGM_Article1.pdf Be Well Dr.L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Hi Dr. L., The fact that some pharmaceutical companies have done unethical things such as suppressing negative information in order to sell expensive drugs does not seem like a good reason to condemn double-blind studies. You asked me to look at the research of someone on your list named Lynn. I did so and found that 3 of Lynn's URLs went to a website named breastcancer choices.org which sells an iodine product and offers advice. I went to Lynn's first URL and found pictures of a book written by celebrity Suzanne Somers and another by Dr. Lee which contains stories (not studies) from his medical practice when he gave " natural " hormones to his patients. There was also another book about hormone balance and many abstracts of studies. Reading through several of the abstracts, I was disappointed to find that none of them was about bio-identical hormones so it is unclear to me why you wanted me to read them. Are there, perhaps, some in the pile that deal with the hormones we are discussing? If so, where are they? The last URL from Lynn was an article about taking hormones after breast cancer. It, too, does not deal with bio-identical hormones. After referring to a study by Dr. Wren, you tell me to " write him again. " Since I have never written to Dr. Wren, this is puzzling. However, I do know something about him and have read that he believes that bio-identical hormones can produce the same negative effects and consequences as other hormones which is pretty much what I was trying to say in my post. All the best, Marie ________________________________ From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@...> Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 3:52:55 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Hormone therapy breast cancer risk study There are many studies that have been done with bioidentical HRT. Double-blind studies have almost become comical because they are so easily made to say whatever the " funder " of the study wants. This is one of many reasons why so many pharmaceutical drugs kill and maim even after all those important clinical trials and studies indicated that the drug is safe. We are not clones and conventional medicine acts on the premise that we are all the same. This is why conventional medicine does not have good success when it comes to most disease. If one is truly deficient then balancing the hormones as well as the entire body is VERY important for cancer survival. I don't think anyone has said or implied they are a cure for cancer or will keep one from getting cancer -- although maybe I missed that part. However, I do know that a balanced body has a better chance of avoiding cancer than one that is not balanced. Indicating that all hormone therapy is the same or has the same effect on the body is incorrect. Several pages to research from Lynn on our list: http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/progesterone According to more than 20 studies, breast cancer patients taking hormones after diagnosis survive as long as or longer than those who take no hormones. http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/hrt I would refer you to Dr. Wren's actual study where 50% of the breast cancer patients died who did NOT take HRT. None of those taking HRT died. Write him again and he will reinforce those findings in his own work. The O'Meara research he actually quotes which is NOT anecdotal attributes a considerable advantage to taking HRT after diagnosis of breast cancer. http://breastcancerchoices.org/files/omeara_HRT_post_bc.pdf Here is an excellent article reviewing taking hormones after breast cancer diagnosis. http://www.obgmanagement.com/pdf/1406/1406OBGM_Article1.pdf Be Well Dr.L ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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