Re: just joined, short intro, and big question

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Welcome to the group!

Having lived in Holland for awhile, I'm familiar with pomelos. What

do the Indos do to extract the juice? -drive over with a car

You do want to have a high acid content. Lemons may be substituted

in the recipe. Possibly fresh limes (not the normal type that you

would see in cocktail bars, but the ones shaped like lemons) would

also be a good substitution.

The relfe flush uses apple juice - maybe something to consider.

Have you tried any of the Indonesian liver cleanses? You probably

have access to the Indian herb tumeric which is used for stones.

Also, Lomboks are supposed to be very good as according to Schultz

(that would include sambla sauces). I'm not sure, but I thought that

Galangal (laos) tea might be used.

And what brought you to Yogyakarta? I know a few people from there!

Cheers,

Suzanne

>

> What can I substitute for grapefruit juice?

>

> I can get limes, lemons, various imported mandarin citrus fruits,

What property (acidity?) of the grapefruit is the key

> to substitute?

> Few people probably know shaddocks or pomelos, sinc ethey are

similar

> to grapefruit in flavor but inferior in every other way (except

size

> -- they can be up to volleyball size, with a superthick skin.

>

> So does anyone have any suggestions for me? I know that grapefruit

is

> so common that 99% of you have never given this the slightest

thought.

>

>

> Yogyakarta, Indonesia

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanne,

Thanks for the funny reply...

##### level-1 quote by Suzanne (on) 03.11.02 (at) 15:39 +0000

>Having lived in Holland for awhile, I'm familiar with pomelos. What

>do the Indos do to extract the juice? -drive over with a car

Ha ha ha. I never saw them juiced. The cars are too small here ;-)

>

>You do want to have a high acid content. Lemons may be substituted

>in the recipe. Possibly fresh limes (not the normal type that you

>would see in cocktail bars, but the ones shaped like lemons) would

>also be a good substitution.

OK, well, that means any acid-content citrus could be used -- I

wasn't sure if there was something specific about grapefruit. Maybe

even a mixture of limes, lemons and a few less acidic local mandarin

oranges (which are mostly green, unless it gets cold enough to turn

them orange). Pity there are no Meyer Lemons here, one of my

favorites, beats Eurikas hands down, unless you purposely prefer to

pucker into next week.

>

>The relfe flush uses apple juice - maybe something to consider.

Hmm. I'll look for info on that, never heard of Relfe. Apple juice

sold here is not fresh (from Australia), but I do have a juicer. But

I still tend to think that citrus route is better.

>

>Have you tried any of the Indonesian liver cleanses? You probably

>have access to the Indian herb tumeric which is used for stones.

>Also, Lomboks are supposed to be very good as according to Schultz

>(that would include sambla sauces). I'm not sure, but I thought that

>Galangal (laos) tea might be used.

WhenI first had some discomfort I used both beet juice and on other

days a local turmeric-family one called Temu Lawak (Curcuma

xanthorrhiza Roxb.). It is mentioned in the local herbal books,

including a good book by a N.D. (now deceased) who years ago studied

in California.

>

>And what brought you to Yogyakarta? I know a few people from there!

Been here in Yogya for 3 years, prior to than Jakarta (2 yr) and

prior to that Solo (12 yr), total of 17. There was a 5 yr gap in the

middle when I was back in California. Initially came for music in

1980, but now run an electronics design consulting firm. This is now

home and hard to eventhink about leaving.

Ray

[Guest guest]

Hi Ray,

I'm not sure about adding mandarines to the mix.....are they acidic

enough? Look in the links under cleansing for Relfe info.

Very strange what brought you to Indonesia.....I'm also into music.

This is of course a wild shot, but would you know my friend Mark

Drews, the guitarist? His wife is originally from Yokya, but they

may be living in Jakarta now.

Suzanne

>Maybe

> even a mixture of limes, lemons and a few less acidic local

mandarin

> oranges (which are mostly green, unless it gets cold enough to turn

> them orange). Pity there are no Meyer Lemons here, one of my

> favorites, beats Eurikas hands down, unless you purposely prefer to

> pucker into next week.

>

> >

> >The relfe flush uses apple juice - maybe something to consider.

>

> Hmm. I'll look for info on that, never heard of Relfe. Apple juice

> sold here is not fresh (from Australia), but I do have a juicer.

But

> I still tend to think that citrus route is better.

>

> >

> >Have you tried any of the Indonesian liver cleanses? You probably

> >have access to the Indian herb tumeric which is used for stones.

> >Also, Lomboks are supposed to be very good as according to Schultz

> >(that would include sambla sauces). I'm not sure, but I thought

that

> >Galangal (laos) tea might be used.

>

> WhenI first had some discomfort I used both beet juice and on other

> days a local turmeric-family one called Temu Lawak (Curcuma

> xanthorrhiza Roxb.). It is mentioned in the local herbal books,

> including a good book by a N.D. (now deceased) who years ago

studied

> in California.

>

> >

> >And what brought you to Yogyakarta? I know a few people from

there!

>

> Been here in Yogya for 3 years, prior to than Jakarta (2 yr) and

> prior to that Solo (12 yr), total of 17. There was a 5 yr gap in

the

> middle when I was back in California. Initially came for music in

> 1980, but now run an electronics design consulting firm. This is

now

> home and hard to eventhink about leaving.

>

> Ray

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Hulda says that the quality about grapefruit that makes it her juice

of choice is that it alone of the citrus juices completely emulsifies the

oil when they are mixed. This helps make the mixture more platable, and it

stays down better. Lemon would have all the other desired qualities except

the ability to emulsify the oil completely. The apple juice and other stuff

(even classic coke is used in one flush recipe) have other but desirable

qualities. I use the flush since it seems the easiest and is very

effective. If I didn't have the grapefruit juice, I'd use fresh squeezed

lemon juice.

Enjoy,

Vince

>From: Weisling <fire.mountain@...>

>Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 16:18:20 +0700

>I plan on doing a Hulda liver cleanse soon, but I have one good

>question about the protocol (recipe):

>

>What can I substitute for grapefruit juice?

>

>I can get limes, lemons, various imported mandarin citrus fruits, but

>in years of living here, I have never once seen a grapefruit sold in

>any shop, supermarket or traditional wet-market. Does anyone have a

>recommendation? What property (acidity?) of the grapefruit is the key

>to substitute? I am not sure of canned juice is available, and if it

>is, would it work the same way???

>

they can be up to volleyball size, with a superthick skin.

>

>So does anyone have any suggestions for me? I know that grapefruit is

>so common that 99% of you have never given this the slightest thought.

>

>

>Yogyakarta, Indonesia

>

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[Guest guest]

##### level-1 quote by Suzanne (on) 04.11.02 (at) 02:58 +0000

>Hi Ray,

>

>I'm not sure about adding mandarines to the mix.....are they acidic

>enough? Look in the links under cleansing for Relfe info.

Just thinking about toning down the much greater acidity of Eureka

lemons, but then fewer of them and more water would also do that.

Never mind mandarins. While grapefruits are pretty sour, they are not

nearly as sour as lemons and limes.

>

>Very strange what brought you to Indonesia.....I'm also into music.

>This is of course a wild shot, but would you know my friend Mark

>Drews, the guitarist? His wife is originally from Yokya, but they

>may be living in Jakarta now.

Sorry, don't know him, so wild miss. I haven't been in Yogya that

long, but was 12 years in Solo, not that far away. I'll ask a friend

here from Hawaii, she's been here for about 20 years. She seems to

know everybody.

Ray

[Guest guest]

##### level-1 quote by V. Richter (on) 03.11.02 (at) 22:07 -0600

>Hi ,

>Hulda says that the quality about grapefruit that makes it her juice

>of choice is that it alone of the citrus juices completely emulsifies the

>oil when they are mixed. This helps make the mixture more platable, and it

>stays down better. Lemon would have all the other desired qualities except

>the ability to emulsify the oil completely. The apple juice and other stuff

>(even classic coke is used in one flush recipe) have other but desirable

>qualities. I use the flush since it seems the easiest and is very

>effective. If I didn't have the grapefruit juice, I'd use fresh squeezed

>lemon juice.

>

>Enjoy,

>

>Vince

>

Hi Vince -- - - -- Thanks, that is what I was lacking, the reason for

the grapefruit juice. I hadn't seen those comments (I only have one

book, " The Cure for All Disease " here).

I wonder if a little, just a little, lecithin, would aid the

emulsification when a substitute juice is used.

Good info, thank you. ---/ Ray

[Guest guest]

The lecithin sounds worth trying. Let us know if you do

Vince

>From: Weisling <fire.mountain@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: Re: just joined, short intro, and big question

>Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:53:40 +0700

>

>##### level-1 quote by V. Richter (on) 03.11.02 (at) 22:07 -0600

>

> >Hi ,

> >Hulda says that the quality about grapefruit that makes it her

>juice

> >of choice is that it alone of the citrus juices completely emulsifies the

> >oil when they are mixed. This helps make the mixture more platable, and

>it

> >stays down better. Lemon would have all the other desired qualities

>except

> >the ability to emulsify the oil completely. The apple juice and other

>stuff

> >(even classic coke is used in one flush recipe) have other but desirable

> >qualities. I use the flush since it seems the easiest and is very

> >effective. If I didn't have the grapefruit juice, I'd use fresh squeezed

> >lemon juice.

> >

> >Enjoy,

> >

> >Vince

> >

>

>Hi Vince -- - - -- Thanks, that is what I was lacking, the reason for

>the grapefruit juice. I hadn't seen those comments (I only have one

>book, " The Cure for All Disease " here).

>

>I wonder if a little, just a little, lecithin, would aid the

>emulsification when a substitute juice is used.

>

>Good info, thank you. ---/ Ray

>

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[Guest guest]

You're right Vince, I'd forgotten that the grapefruit emulsify the

oil. If you use something else in place of graefruit, maybe just

shake the mixture up and drink it pronto!

I'm also wondering if the sweet green limes have ever been tried.

They might have the same effect.

Suzanne

" V. Richter " <new_man85@h...> wrote:

> Hi ,

> Hulda says that the quality about grapefruit that makes it

her juice

> of choice is that it alone of the citrus juices completely

emulsifies the

> oil when they are mixed..com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp