Re: Ovarian Cancer Recurrence

[Guest guest]

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How should the surgery be done and is anyone doing it that way?

Please advise.

In a message dated 12/21/05 11:25:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vgammill@... writes:

> When surgeons operate on ovarian cancers, they remove lymph

> nodes to send back to pathology. In so doing they crosscut lymphatic

> channels that may contain cancer cells. Then the last thing they do

> before closing is to make sure that the field is very pretty and

> there are no bleeders. So, they dump in a couple of liters of

> saline, slosh it around, and aspirate it.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/21/05 11:25:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vgammill@... writes:

> When surgeons operate on ovarian cancers, they remove lymph

> nodes to send back to pathology.

Are there options to removal of the uterus?

[Guest guest]

From: <szukidavis@...>

> How should the surgery be done and is anyone doing it that way?

I was wondering the same thing. Would one have a better chance of having

done the right (or a better) way in Tijuana or Germany?

In most cases, I think I'd prefer to have surgery done in a GOOD Tijuana

hospital than in the US.

> In a message dated 12/21/05 11:25:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> vgammill@... writes:

>

> > When surgeons operate on ovarian cancers, they remove lymph

> > nodes to send back to pathology. In so doing they crosscut lymphatic

> > channels that may contain cancer cells. Then the last thing they do

> > before closing is to make sure that the field is very pretty and

> > there are no bleeders. So, they dump in a couple of liters of

> > saline, slosh it around, and aspirate it.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/22/05 4:10:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

redactie@... writes:

> In Germany is a hospital specialised in surgery for ovarian cancer in

> Freiburg. Universitaets-Frauenklinik, Universitaet Freiburg, Hugstetter

> Str. 55, D-79106 Freiburg, Germany. moehler@...

what method do they us Kees?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/21/05 11:25:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vgammill@... writes:

> When surgeons operate on ovarian cancers, they remove lymph

> nodes to send back to pathology. In so doing they crosscut lymphatic

> channels that may contain cancer cells

Hi ,

I am anxiously waiting for more information from you regarding your post

yesterday about ovarian cancer surgery. It is for personal reasons that I ask

for

further information about what surgery is recommended for ovarian cancer and

where to find it.

I am sure that others will find that information to be of life saving

importance.

Best,

Stop The Cancer Pandemic!

[Guest guest]

Sorry ...I meant Uterine cancer.

Thanks.

> message dated 12/21/05 11:25:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> vgammill@... writes:

>

>

> >> When surgeons operate on ovarian cancers, they remove lymph

>> nodes to send back to pathology. In so doing they crosscut lymphatic

>> channels that may contain cancer cells

>

> Hi ,

>

> I am anxiously waiting for more information from you regarding your post

> yesterday about ovarian cancer surgery. It is for personal reasons that I ask

> for further information about what surgery is recommended for ovarian cancer

> and where to find it.

>

> I am sure that others will find that information to be of life saving

> importance.

>

> Best,

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a difference between uterine and ovarian cancer. Uterine and

cervical cancer if caught early is contained within the uterus and easily

treated with a hysterectomy so your surgeon's statement is correct. There

aren't any great screening devices for ovarian cancer and therefore it is

often caught later when there is a noticeable mass in the abdomen and maybe

mets. That's the reason the GYN does both a pap and an abdominal exam.

A hysterectomy can often be done vaginally if the uterus is not too large (a

fairly contained procedure). Ovarian cancer surgery is done abdominally

which is when the saline gets sloshed around to " clean up the surgical site "

as they do on all abdominal procedures regardless of cancer.

Renate

Ovarian cancer recurrence

In a message dated 12/21/05 11:52:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,

leonardleonard1@... writes:

> In most cases, I think I'd prefer to have surgery done in a GOOD Tijuana

> hospital than in the US.

>

> Leonard...if they are performing a hysterectomy in the traditional manner

in

Mexico, as describes, then it wouldn't make any difference where it

was done. However, if there are places that perform the operation in a

safer

and saner manner, this information what is vital to people on this

list...and

beyond.

I believe that death from uterine cancer is the 4th down on the list, yet

gyn. are telling women that the survival rate if they have a hysterectomy,

is

excellent. This doesn't make sense to me.

My gyn told me that women who wait before having a hysterectomy are the ones

who die. There must be a lot of women waiting! Or, perhaps it is as

describes...operations being done in a destructive manner.

[Guest guest]

There has to be some variation among surgeons so I don't want to

throw everyone into the same bag. I have probably worked with 50 of

them though and they are alike enough.

Every case is different and this must be kept in

mind. Hysterectomies can be vaginal or abdominal. Most are

vaginal. This is very simple and can be easily done in 45 minutes

and this would include an anterior and posterior wall resection for

cystocele and rectocele repair. I don't have any complaints about

the way this is done except that afterwards some gynecologists like

to use a suprapubic catheter. I don't like them as there is an

unnecessary risk of infection.

Panhysterectomies, oophorectomies and salpingectomies are done

abdominally. Most of the dissecting is done with scissors (cutting

and spreading). I think it is better to use a Bovie (electrocautery)

around cancer and especially when removing tissue. Using the

" cutting " function helps keep a dry field and presumably cancer cells

would be less likely to slip into new areas. I think it would be a

good idea to include an antineoplastic or antiadhesive agent in the

saline that is used for irrigation. The choice would depend on what

is known about the type of cancer. I would love to experiment with

thin teflon sheets (similar to plumber's tape) to enfold intestines,

mesentery and omentum. This could be impregnated with growth

inhibitors. As a barrier it would help prevent surgical

adhesions. This could save as much as an hour if you ever have to go back in.

I would suggest the avoidance of angiogenesis inhibitors in the

perisurgical period, but I would include cimetidine or ranitadine as

these discourage metastasis.

Busy surgeons would very much resent any interference or

suggestions. It might be easier to negotiate with a hungry surgeon

who is eager to cut. Tell him/her that you want your own observer in the OR.

At 08:46 PM 12/21/2005, you wrote:

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>How should the surgery be done and is anyone doing it that way?

>

>Please advise.

>

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>In a message dated 12/21/05 11:25:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>vgammill@... writes:

>

> > When surgeons operate on ovarian cancers, they remove lymph

> > nodes to send back to pathology. In so doing they crosscut lymphatic

> > channels that may contain cancer cells. Then the last thing they do

> > before closing is to make sure that the field is very pretty and

> > there are no bleeders. So, they dump in a couple of liters of

> > saline, slosh it around, and aspirate it.

[Guest guest]

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Best regards,

Dudley Delany

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[Guest guest]

homeschoolgrad writes:

> On of the best remeies I have found for fungal infections is Threelack. The

cheepest place I have found it is on E-bay.

>

I have not seen any difference with this product.

[Guest guest]

I was not able to take Threelak very long (Just a few weeks) because of

the price, but when I was taking it, the recommended dosage of 5 packs a day it

really seemed to help. The saliva test went from 30 sec. to over a minute during

that time, but this could have been because of the

combination of the threelack, raw diet, and DMSO.

Jordan