Re: unusual treatments -- extract from shark blood

[Guest guest]

Hello Slavek,

Koch seems to have stopped working with thrombin very early in his

career. It was so abrupt that I would suspect that he was ordered to

stop or that a patient died. I do think that Koch did very

impressive work though and I may post on some of his lesser known findings.

Halstead and King were using complement, not thrombin. They went to

great lengths to isolate the different fractions of

complement. Blood seems to be full of a number of such interesting

proteins. I have spoken with Dr. Yamamoto about making GcMAF, and

there's is Bru's work in the curative use of GM-CSF. I may use this

with a patient as early as next week.

At 11:17 PM 8/7/2009, you wrote:

>Hi ,

>

>IMHO, Koch 1917-20 heart and brain extract, Autohemotherapy and what you

>have posted on shark blood have one common denominator. This denominator

>is what W.F.Koch called tissue thrombin, which may be identical to, or

>be a part of blood thrombin.

>

>W.F.Koch isolated it chemically before " his " tissue thrombin had time to

>react with fibrin coagulating the cell tissues. It was unstable though

>and he did not see its practicability in clinical applications, although

>I would disagree on this with him. He then moved onto his " charged "

>synthetic carboxyls and used them from 1920 on.

>

>Blood from Autohemotherapy would appear to yield it in free form as part

>of the healing process where red blood cells introduced into the muscle

>lyse the white blood cells and release the free " stuff " .

>

>Your friend Bruce Halstead appears to have isolated it from the shark

>blood. In this case, it would appear from what you posted that shark

>blood yields more thrombin than what can react with fibrin on

>coagulation, possibly shark blood having no fibrin to be coagulated?

>

>With kind regards, Slavek

>

>VGammill wrote:

>

>Snip

>

> > The treatment

> > he was most excited about was a particular extract from shark

> > blood. It seemed to cure every case of cancer even in nanomole

> > quantities.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

IMHO, Koch 1917-20 heart and brain extract, Autohemotherapy and what you

have posted on shark blood have one common denominator. This denominator

is what W.F.Koch called tissue thrombin, which may be identical to, or

be a part of blood thrombin.

W.F.Koch isolated it chemically before " his " tissue thrombin had time to

react with fibrin coagulating the cell tissues. It was unstable though

and he did not see its practicability in clinical applications, although

I would disagree on this with him. He then moved onto his " charged "

synthetic carboxyls and used them from 1920 on.

Blood from Autohemotherapy would appear to yield it in free form as part

of the healing process where red blood cells introduced into the muscle

lyse the white blood cells and release the free " stuff " .

Your friend Bruce Halstead appears to have isolated it from the shark

blood. In this case, it would appear from what you posted that shark

blood yields more thrombin than what can react with fibrin on

coagulation, possibly shark blood having no fibrin to be coagulated?

With kind regards, Slavek

VGammill wrote:

Snip

> The treatment

> he was most excited about was a particular extract from shark

> blood. It seemed to cure every case of cancer even in nanomole

> quantities.

[Guest guest]

Hi , I am writing a book in Spanish about alternative health

approaches and I am interested to learn any updates regarding the

GM-CSF of Dr Yamamoto. Any news on production, availability, price, etc?

I'd appreciate your input.

ND-

VGammill wrote:

> Hello Slavek,

>

> Koch seems to have stopped working with thrombin very early in his

> career. It was so abrupt that I would suspect that he was ordered to

> stop or that a patient died. I do think that Koch did very

> impressive work though and I may post on some of his lesser known findings.

>

> Halstead and King were using complement, not thrombin. They went to

> great lengths to isolate the different fractions of

> complement. Blood seems to be full of a number of such interesting

> proteins. I have spoken with Dr. Yamamoto about making GcMAF, and

> there's is Bru's work in the curative use of GM-CSF. I may use this

> with a patient as early as next week.

>

>

>

>

> At 11:17 PM 8/7/2009, you wrote:

>

>

>

>> Hi ,

>>

>> IMHO, Koch 1917-20 heart and brain extract, Autohemotherapy and what you

>> have posted on shark blood have one common denominator. This denominator

>> is what W.F.Koch called tissue thrombin, which may be identical to, or

>> be a part of blood thrombin.

>>

>> W.F.Koch isolated it chemically before " his " tissue thrombin had time to

>> react with fibrin coagulating the cell tissues. It was unstable though

>> and he did not see its practicability in clinical applications, although

>> I would disagree on this with him. He then moved onto his " charged "

>> synthetic carboxyls and used them from 1920 on.

>>

>> Blood from Autohemotherapy would appear to yield it in free form as part

>> of the healing process where red blood cells introduced into the muscle

>> lyse the white blood cells and release the free " stuff " .

>>

>> Your friend Bruce Halstead appears to have isolated it from the shark

>> blood. In this case, it would appear from what you posted that shark

>> blood yields more thrombin than what can react with fibrin on

>> coagulation, possibly shark blood having no fibrin to be coagulated?

>>

>> With kind regards, Slavek

>>

>> VGammill wrote:

>>

>> Snip

>>

>>

>>> The treatment

>>> he was most excited about was a particular extract from shark

>>> blood. It seemed to cure every case of cancer even in nanomole

>>> quantities.

>>>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Koch worked clinically with the thrombin between 1917 and 1920. He also

stated that it took him three years to develop his synthetic crystals,

i.e. carboxyls. these two spell out that he had an idea what he wanted

to achieve sometime in 1917, but it took him a bit. He also mentions

that he had to activate his synthetics energetically, and I am quite

certain that this part was more of a challenge than the chemistry alone.

I am also certain that this was the part on which all his followers

broke their teeth, because it requires understanding of static

electricity induction and its components. I guess you would call such

components life force (and death force for that matter). It all relates

to properties of water, homeopathy and electro cures in medicine, but it

also relates to research of Reich, Grebennikov and many other

" oddballs " . It is a huge mess of knowledge of assorted individual

researches, which have no common language and which no one seems to have

capacity to understand and put together. Yet, it is relevant for example

to bio availability differences between organic minerals and processed,

or down right chemically produced substances. Chemistry is only a part

of the deal.

Oh my, I could sit here and type and type, I do not have it all quite

sorted out myself, but I am getting somewhere. The more I learn, the

more of it comes together.

For example, talking his simplest carboxyl O=C=C=O, it has theoretical

life span of a minuscule fraction of a second due to its reactivity.

That is for physics. Yet Koch was able to synthetize it and keep it in a

solution long enough to ship it across continent by mail. The problem

with physics is, that the lab testing, if any, does not consider all

possible conditions and options. If no testing is achievable by whoever

tries it, then the calculator out of the pocket and lets see what we can

churn out.

The C2O2 has valences on its carbon open to OH, when these are filled,

it gives you one possible metabolite of vitamin C, the oxalic acid.

Oxalic acid is stated to be quite an antioxidant on its own. The

metabolites, according to Koch, and I have no doubt that he knew very

well what he was talking about, depend on the energetic state of their

binding electric (static) field not only quantitative energetic state,

but also qualitative energetic state. (You all call it electron because

of the Bohr's gross simplification, so did Koch, but I would stick with

valence bond, because I consider electron to be an invention of a

dubious character suitable only as a rather gross unit of electric

potential mechanical strength).

Koch's C3O2 is actually manufactured by thousands of tons a year. It is

normally gaseous unless crystalized, and serves in the plastic industry

as one of the raw materials for polymerization. Interestingly, I got

this bit from Wikipedia some 4 weeks ago and when I went back to se if

there might be some more detailed references, this industrial bit was

gone.

Anyway. This is not going to be helpful to anyone here.

If you could indeed pass any information on Koch's work, which is not on

his official site, I will gratefully lap it up. It is not necessarily

just the cancer connection.

Is there any detailed research available on the net related to Halstead

at al? I will lap it up too :-) Whatever these are, I will tryn to look

it up " GcMAF " and " GM-CSF " .

I have really been on this only for 6 weeks and the medical terminology

and references are all new to me. I am learning as I go.

With kind regards, Slavek

VGammill wrote:

>

>

>

> Hello Slavek,

>

> Koch seems to have stopped working with thrombin very early in his

> career. It was so abrupt that I would suspect that he was ordered to

> stop or that a patient died. I do think that Koch did very

> impressive work though and I may post on some of his lesser known

> findings.

>

> Halstead and King were using complement, not thrombin. They went to

> great lengths to isolate the different fractions of

> complement. Blood seems to be full of a number of such interesting

> proteins. I have spoken with Dr. Yamamoto about making GcMAF, and

> there's is Bru's work in the curative use of GM-CSF. I may use this

> with a patient as early as next week.

>

>

>

> At 11:17 PM 8/7/2009, you wrote:

>

> >Hi ,

> >

> >IMHO, Koch 1917-20 heart and brain extract, Autohemotherapy and what

> you

> >have posted on shark blood have one common denominator. This

> denominator

> >is what W.F.Koch called tissue thrombin, which may be identical to,

> or

> >be a part of blood thrombin.

> >

> >W.F.Koch isolated it chemically before " his " tissue thrombin had time

> to

> >react with fibrin coagulating the cell tissues. It was unstable

> though

> >and he did not see its practicability in clinical applications,

> although

> >I would disagree on this with him. He then moved onto his " charged "

> >synthetic carboxyls and used them from 1920 on.

> >

> >Blood from Autohemotherapy would appear to yield it in free form as

> part

> >of the healing process where red blood cells introduced into the

> muscle

> >lyse the white blood cells and release the free " stuff " .

> >

> >Your friend Bruce Halstead appears to have isolated it from the shark

> >blood. In this case, it would appear from what you posted that shark

> >blood yields more thrombin than what can react with fibrin on

> >coagulation, possibly shark blood having no fibrin to be coagulated?

> >

> >With kind regards, Slavek

> >

> >VGammill wrote:

> >

> >Snip

> >

> > > The treatment

> > > he was most excited about was a particular extract from shark

> > > blood. It seemed to cure every case of cancer even in nanomole

> > > quantities.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again ,

I have gone through the oleander and I would find it about 1000 times

more sensible route to follow. Latest published study on HIV/AIDS

patients shows 9 out of ten 10 dramatic improvements in T cell counts

and one moderate one, as opposed to controls showing only deterioration

over a two months period.

http://www.tbyil.com/HIV_OPC_Trial.pdf

Oleander is free in a lot of US locations and a concoction can be home

made !IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT!, meaning that the stuff has to be boiled

long enough to loose its !RAW Toxicity! But !NO SIDE EFFECTS! In the

latitudes where it does not grow on its own, it is still available in

the nurseries and can be home grown. The professional preparations like

Sutherlandia and Anvirzel are roughly 0.0002% the cost of a chemo run at

roughly $60 a month supply, not mentioning the radiotherapy cost.

A 5 foot plant in my local nursery, which would yield something like 5

month supply is C$50.

http://www.tbyil.com/oleandersoup.htm

Looking through Dr. Ozel's papers with the case reports, rather than

testimonials, his methodology etc. and his success rate of something

like 80% in patients left for dead by the Turkish orthodox medical

establishment, I would not worry about GM-CSF and the whole line of

research if I were to be diagnosed with cancer. One also better take

into consideration the state of the patients Dr. Ozel is legally allowed

to treat and Cure, never mind 5 year survival. He can treat only

proclaimed terminals whose immune system had been already compromised by

chemotherapy and irradiation. This renders any comparison with the

orthodox methods irrelevant.

Back to Ph.D. MD Koch. He had a comparable rate of success (80%) under

same legal constraints to Dr. Ozel and did his best to avoid treating

his terminal patients any sooner than three months after irradiation

(Chemo practically did not exist during his earlier years) to avoid

fatal toxemia from the disintegrating tumors and to avoid irradiation

tissue changes adverse to the efficacy of his treatment. It would make

sense to me to blame Dr. Ozel's ~ 20% death rate on the same causes of

the roughly 20% failure of Koch's cure rate, that is chemotherapy and

irradiation.

http://drozel.org/eng/historical_background.htm

Even though Dr. Koch had eventually begun to stress the importance of a

diet, his early years 1917 - probably 1920 did not mention it. In the

same manner, Ozel does not mention diet and supplementation either (and

nor does Rick Simpson below). This means that both, Dr. Koch and Dr.

Ozel methods detoxify(ied) body on the cellular level and relatively

very fast. This does not mean that a sensible diet and supplementation

is useless. It only means that it is not needed for the disease reversal

by these two methods, as important as it is for maintenance.

As of this time, the only method which may be as efficient and possibly

more efficient than Oleander is Rick Simpson's hemp extract.

Unfortunately it is illegal and it does not have backing of any clinical

trials or case reports because Rick was a farmer and a technical

maintenance fellow before he run for it leaving Canada. What Rick does

not lack though is the an obvious honesty and philanthropy. He appears

to have 100% cure rate on any ailment so far, although he did not work

with many terminal cancer or terminal Aids people. In his own words: " I

want to see someone who will show me what this stuff does not cure "

http://www.phoenixtears.ca/

One of my criteria for a real cure, except for the condition that the

cure is diet independent, is its capacity to reheal old scars. Oleander,

as far as I was able to find out, lacks any indication that it would

remove them (which is only a lack of proof). Both, Dr. Koch and Rick

Simpson claim that their cures do exactly that. Rick Simpson being no

expert in the field of medicine can't be expected to go into the

scientific causative reasons for the scar tissue rehealing by functional

tissues using his hemp extract. Ph.D. MD F. Koch, on the other

hand should be expected to do exactly that and he did.

What Dr. Koch came with was the claim that his methods removed the cause

of scar tissues i.e. encapsulated viral and bacterial remnants of old

infections and that the body immune system, having no more need for the

scar tissues, removed the scar to be replaced with normal and fully

functioning tissues appropriate for the organ. Whether it was quite

correct conclusion or a reversed reasoning would be the correct one,

where the cure actually removes the scar tissue first and then the

pathogen is not my call, but I would see it as a definite possibility.

If both methods (Dr. Koch and Rick Simpson) remove scar tissue cased by

injuries, rather than infections, I would be inclined to conclude that

the scar goes before the pathogen.

This scar part is actually awfully interesting. Koch's early method of

application of muscular (tissue) thrombin, as documented by his legacy

strongly suggests a possibility of regeneration of lost appendages as

well as repair of scarred over spinal injuries.

In any case, it appears to me at this time, that Oleander is the way to

go if one were too shy to go the hemp route, as Dr. Koch's methods are

momentarily lost and therefore irrelevant to immediate help. Oleander

and Hemp combined would probably spell 100% cancer and other all other

disease reversals an if I were diagnosed with even an indication of

cancer or another severe ailment, I would not bother with any orthodox

method, including biopsy. In other words, if it appeared to me that a

train is coming while I am stuck in a car on a railway crossing, I would

not wait for a positive (biopsy) confirmation and I would get the hell

out of way even if it meant that I would never quite know it it really

were a train. The Oleander and Hemp are exactly the means to get away in

a good time. Then I would do my best that I would never get stuck on the

railway crossing ever again (diet and supplementation of which the most

important appears to be IODINE).

Dr. Koch's early extract and possibly latter synthetics as well as Hemp

extract should be an interesting proposition for the research into the

regenerative cures for accident victims, be it post operative or old

" healed " . It has been a long time ago when I caught a notion somewhere

that mechanical disturbance of a healing (scarring) process of an injury

showed a moderate regeneration. I would never find the reference now,

but it does make sense in the view of Dr. Koch research and in

association with the autohenotherapy results.

My bottom line would be that a real cure has to satisfy three basic

criteria.

1) It is diet independent.

2) Removes old scaring

3) works universally across the spectrum of chronic and possibly acute

ailments.

4) Shows no side effects except for the toxemia triggered by the

disintegration of the tissues being digested and toxins being released

from any other tissues. That is all toxins released from tissues into

the blood stream.

Dr. W. F. Koch treatment and Rick Simpson's hemp extract definitely

qualify for all above. Yet Dr. Koch's synthetic method has the advantage

of being virtually daily dose independent, because it obviously triggers

a self repeating catalytic immuno enhancing and detoxificating process

showing a long lasting 20-30 years preventative effect. This means that

it is the best approach there ever was as far as I was able to find out.

Oleander appears to qualify only for 1 and 2, but may qualify for 3.

That is to be found out.

All three cures above also demonstrate the need for a synergetic

(combination of more than one essence) approach, which seriously

contradicts the pretentious allopathic " crusade " for the holy grail of a

magic bullet. A magic shotgun round is more like it.

There is another not so well documented cure, which qualifies at least

for 2,3 and 4. That is a carrot diet.

http://www.dietministry.com/diet.asp

It has two problems though.

1) It does not kick in very fast, because its properties are dose

dependent and it takes a pile of carrots a day to get a sufficient dose.

2) One of its most active scar healing ingredients based on my first

hand anecdotal evidence is lutein. The evidence came from a case of

retina scarred by an emergency laser removal of a fast growth, where

B-carotene supplementation did not help over a six week period after

injury. Followed by a one month of lutein supplementation, the scar has

returned to normal retina function restoring 70% visual obliteration to

100% vision. Lutein is dissolvable in oil and if oil is not present

during digestion of a carrot juice it is not absorbed. It is also

moderately temperature insensitive, meaning that it can be boiled,

meaning that eating carrot pulp from juicing added into some kind of a

soup with some oil will definitely enhance the quantity digested per

amount of processed carrots. Boiling breaks down the cellular membranes

releasing the boiling resistant active ingredients. For that matter, so

does freezing.

Carrot diet does not so far appear to be tried with terminal cases, but

I may be wrong.

I guess that would just about do.

With kind regards, Slavek.