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Helge Heitmann wrote:

> Hello

> Do we have a birthday list of parents and children?

> Cheers

> Helge

Hi,

Well, not yet. But that seems like a nice idea :-) I guess anyone who

is interested can send in those birthdates and I will compile a listing

of them, so that we'll be able to send along birthday greetings when the

time comes. Last year Josh was really excited about all the electronic

greetings he received from the people we've met online, mostly through

the stillsdisease list. Let's see how this goes and what kind of a

response we get, okay?

I guess I'll start ......

...........April 5th, 1989

Georgina........July 26th

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n 3-16-62

Holly 12-22-93

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N. 04/24/64

Grace 08/10/94

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Diego, August 9, 1993

María, January 16, 1967

Regards,

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From: Georgina <gmckin@...>

Helge Heitmann wrote:

> Hello

> Do we have a birthday list of parents and children?

> Cheers

> Helge

Hi,

Well, not yet. But that seems like a nice idea :-) I guess anyone who

is interested can send in those birthdates and I will compile a listing

of them, so that we'll be able to send along birthday greetings when the

time comes. Last year Josh was really excited about all the electronic

greetings he received from the people we've met online, mostly through

the stillsdisease list. Let's see how this goes and what kind of a

response we get, okay?

I guess I'll start ......

...........April 5th, 1989

Georgina........July 26th

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[Guest guest]

Hi all. Roslynn Dec.4/82 and Ann 5/5/56

Jakuch@... wrote:

> From: Jakuch@...

>

> N. 04/24/64

> Grace 08/10/94

>

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; April 6 (1990)

Helge (father); March 28 (1961)

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> Fra: Georgina <gmckin@...>

> Til: Helge Heitmann <Helge.Heitmann@...>;

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> Emne: [ ] Re: List

> Dato: 24. mars 1999 11:19

>

> From: Georgina <gmckin@...>

>

> Helge Heitmann wrote:

>

> > Hello

> > Do we have a birthday list of parents and children?

> > Cheers

> > Helge

>

> Hi,

>

> Well, not yet. But that seems like a nice idea :-) I guess anyone who

> is interested can send in those birthdates and I will compile a listing

> of them, so that we'll be able to send along birthday greetings when the

> time comes. Last year Josh was really excited about all the electronic

> greetings he received from the people we've met online, mostly through

> the stillsdisease list. Let's see how this goes and what kind of a

> response we get, okay?

>

> I guess I'll start ......

>

> ...........April 5th, 1989

> Georgina........July 26th

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Have you visited our new web site?

>

> Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities

[Guest guest]

HI,

Alecia-October 20, 1991

-November 18

Congratulations to Holly!!

Alecia is currently taking foic acid yes, i will look into the grape seed

extract thank you:)

Bye

[Guest guest]

list

>

>

>Louis:

>

>My server has apparently changed my address without telling me (they do

>this often) and while I can still receive mail, I can no longer post to the

>list. I wanted to respond to the post about Adderall. Could you please

>post it for me? Meantime I have written to the onelist help folks.

>

>Thanks. Jule in Cleveland

>

> wrote:

>Note to Gail in N/Awlins......and others with children on adderall. Our

>son's new psychiatrist took off his adderall because he feels it

>enhances his OCD and anxiety. His OCD has been much better since stopping

>the adderal. On the other hand, the ADHD is not under control without it.

>He's been on wellbutrin in place of the adderal but so far it's not as

>effective. Anyone have any thoughts on this ?

>

>My son's OCD became out of control on Adderall to the point of

>hospitalization (last March). At that time he was put on Risperdal in

>addition to the Prozac he had been on. He was almost immediately better.

>This month we put him back on Ritalin because of attentional difficulties

>at school. So far it is working well, but we will keep a close watch to

>see if the OCD escalates. It's hard to tell now with all the anticipation

>of the holidays. He also has PDD which adds to the fun. I'll keep you all

>posted.

>

>Jule in Cleveland

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Could you please take me of the chit chat list. I would like to receive

your supplement lists or news on thyoid publications etc, not the everyday

chit chat on people's problems. Please take me off or assist in having me

out.

Thanks

Dee

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Hi Dee,

I switched you to " Read it on the Web " so you won't get any email but can

still look at the posts and archives at egroups. Most of the action will

probably be at iThyroid.com. Hope you're doing well.

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Thanks for your help. Ive been doing fine, im off medication for a while.

Though How to I get on to " red it on the wed "

Thanks again

Dee

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dee,

Just go to and click on " my groups " . Then click on " Posts " . If

you can't find it, let me know.

[Guest guest]

>products out there that could be used to keep gray hair white and shinny

>and wash out yellow which is a problem sometimes with gray hair.

i know some african american women who use a blueberry juice rinse. i don't

know the recipe, though.

~risa

[Guest guest]

> Can someone tell me how to see who's on the new list. Please'

> Love

> from Fla

,

Look on the left hand side of your screen. There is a menu

and Members is listed near the bottom. Click on that.

[Guest guest]

Sounds good to me.

M

Re:

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:00:13 -0400 "Joe Murray" <jmurray2@...>wrote:< I'm on that list, also. I don't think I've seen an email< come from that group in about (6) months. Did they< used to email each other a lot?That list was never very busy after the initial gathering. I'm thinkingI might post a quick note to it, though, informing them of this list incase anyone would be interested. Whatcha all think? rox

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I just checked the members settings area at and, quite

mysteriously, it says that your email address has been receiving

individual mails through the JRA mailing list since October 7th, 2000.

Hmmm .... well, you shouldn't receive any more posts after this one.

Aloha,

Georgina

johnsonsj4@... wrote:

>

> I have been receiving your automatic postings and I never signed up to

> receive them. Is there a way you can remove me from the list please. I

> don't want to have to change my entire screen name just to prevent the

> mailings from hitting my box. Thank you

>

> johnsonsj4@...

[Guest guest]

Melody you need to go to the page at and then to edit my

membership and in there is a place to change you address.

Chris

www.womenintouch.com/page711896.htm

List

> I'm changing my e-mail address for this list, and it's been so long since

I

> signed up, I don't remember how I did it.

>

> Somebody help the poor old woman, please!!!

>

> This is my work address, and I have over 1000 un-read e-mails, cause I

can't

> keep up with them all here.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello!

I have found the list.

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry for your loss. Will keep your family in my prayers.

D.Scaletta

[Guest guest]

List,

My organization is a non-profit. I have tried to build it up like a

club so that difficult-to-understand and hard-to-obtain therapies are

available to anyone who sees fit to use them. For over 25 years I

have synthesized hundreds of such meds and formulated or extracted

thousands. Virtually none of these have been approved by authorities

nor applied by conventional practitioners so in this respect almost

all are alternatives. I don't market them though I do try to do what

I can to help make them available. When chemistry is involved I have

offered free teaching sessions. At the retreat center we have free

guest lecturers from around the world. We had Manju Ray from India

visit twice to give free public lectures on methylglyoxal. I do free

consultations four mornings a week. This is much to the

consternation of my secretary as she knows what our budget is. Some

of the more expensive meds such as antineoplastons I would make and

give away free. I provide a free place to stay in the mountains for

anyone with cancer. This is a $24,000 annual personal donation

without a tax benefit.

Someone expressed some resentment that I said I'm not a fan of any

conventional or alternative meds. I am not, not even of the things I

make. This is intentional. Krishamurti called this " creative

dissatisfaction. " Nothing will ever get better when people are too

easily satisfied.

I think that nothing is ever going to change in conventional

medicine. The money is just too great. On the other hand holistic

practitioners generally have to scuffle to get by. Because their

services are undervalued they often make ends meet by selling the

latest health fad. They tend to believe the advertising

themselves. In three months it is going to be another product, and

then another product.

Because they don't see enough cancer patients of any type of cancer,

they rarely get an understanding of what is realistically likely to

save the day. To the extent that they are not allowed to use

conventional meds they deride conventional meds. This further

polarizes the two camps, which can't be in the best interest of the patient.

Neither camp has the stomach for criticizing their own school of

thought or their own meds or their own economics. Both conventional

and alternative practitioners take advantage -- wittingly or not --

of their patients' belief systems. This is actually a major part of

helping a person get well. Sometimes belief alone will cure, as long

as natural healing mechanisms aren't undermined by toxic meds.

Naturopaths/holistic practitioners have one distinct advantage over

conventional medicine. Philosophically they pay obeisance to the

cruelest and most mindless authority -- nature. The conventional

paradigm conducts hundreds of thousands of experiments mostly

dedicated to making money from the misery of others. On the other

hand, everything nature does, the almost infinite number of events,

seemingly serve one goal: to breed resilient survivors. I like to

remind our program participants that they have a right to feel proud:

every one of their millions of ancestors survived long enough to

reproduce -- every last one of them.

There just aren't many problems that nature hasn't solved, and it is

still solving them. In the past it has fostered life through the

Great Oxygen Event (2.3 billion years ago), through the

Permian-Triassic extinction (251 million years ago), through the

Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event (65 million years ago), through

innumerable ice ages, and now life will find a way to survive the

Great Technological Suicide.

I don't apologize that we do well with cancer. I have easier access

to many professionals, clinics, and meds than is convenient for most

people, but my methods are not way of the future. My methods tend to

be those of moderately high technology that I try to make available

for people to do themselves. I try to do what Thomson did in

providing herbs and instructions for farmers during the early 1800s,

only I do it in ways that are appropriate for a world that is

technologically developed.

As I said, this is not the way of the future. It is still too

dependent on laboratory equipment and chemicals. We won't be able to

step back from cancer till we pay close attention to nature. I have

tracked cancer rates and observations of primitive inland cultures on

every continent. During the 19th and early 20th centuries there was

virtually no cancer. Simple cultures didn't have access to trade

routes or what we think of as civilization. They were very poor and

meat was a rare luxury. They had virtually no salt. Salt during

this period was one of the world's highest-priced commodities. Those

who had salt deficiencies could eat meat, but even that was expensive

and reserved for rare special events. Salt was the cudgel by which

the British controlled India, a country where beef was taboo and much

salt was lost through perspiration in the hot climate. It was only

Ghandi's strategy of civil disobedience that motivated people to make

or collect their own salt (risking steep fines and imprisonment) that

finally liberated India from the Brits.

With the need for massive amounts of salt in chemical production and

manufacturing, salt went from being one of the worlds most expensive

and rare commodities to one of the cheapest. Salt started appearing

everywhere in foods and snacks, and this is throughout the world.

What does this have to do with cancer? It has been known since the

early 1970s that the rate of cell division is inversely proportional

to the membrane potential. By the over consumption of salt and the

reduction in vegetables we are greatly distorting the

potassium/sodium ratio and reducing the membrane potential. Our

minimum sodium requirement is 400mg/day. We tend to consume ten

times this -- 4 grams per day. Contributing to the problem we

consume about half as much potassium as we need. Our ancestors had a

K/Na ratio of about 16:1. Our average diet has a K/Na ratio of about

0.6:1. This imbalance is especially reflected in the greater number

of stomach and colon cancers that are strongly associated with our

sodium consumption.

The deluge of sodium in our diets displaces lithium. As lithium is

reduced the rates of viral infection, suicide, depression, and

addictions all increase. Both the sodium and the chloride may be

associated with hypertension. A great excess of chloride can throw

off the balance of the other halides: iodine, fluoride, bromide each

of which has its own " ism " or " osis " caused by excess.

The people I see are mostly those for whom it is crunch time, but

this is no way to practice healthcare. Unfortunately most

naturopaths become purveyors of nutriceuticals which brings them down

to the level of conventional physicians with their prescriptions for

patent medicines from the pharmaceutical companies. As " medicines "

are so much a part of our acculturation it would behoove all

practitioners to solemnly issue placebos to their patients and then

give them dietary and political prescriptions -- especially the

latter. Learn from Gandhi's remedy and practice civil disobedience

when big corporations trounce on our health. This is exactly what

I'm doing when I teach organic synthesis and herbal extraction

methods to those who want to achieve independence.

If anyone wants to take over the non-profit, they are welcome to

it. I have to raise $30,000 per month to keep the doors open and I

am buckling under the strain.

[Guest guest]

Hello Ar,

I do want the whole Center to be a worldwide community effort. One

list member, Judy, has rounded up donations of tons of hospital

surplus equipment and soon-to-expire supplies. We reallocate this to

Mexican Clinics. On occasion we have had a parade of people walking

across the border each carrying a Santa Claus size bag of syringes,

catheters, dressings, spinal tap trays, etc. This is a lot of fun

for the docs to paw through. You would be absolutely amazed at the

wastefulness of US hospitals.

I pay Kaiser $18,000 per year for insurance for my four-member

family. I hate it, but we all need emergency protection. What if

the FDA accidentally ran over me as I crossed the street? We don't

need US healthcare run by big corporations or by the government. We

need US healthcare operated by a Mexican clinic. Those guys know how

to save money.

One of our participants has just returned from a two-month stint in a

Chinese hospital: the Guangzhou Armed Police Hospital. I need to

come up with a cool name like that. He paid maybe 5-10% of what he

would have to pay in the US and he was able to use top-of-the-line

equipment operated by English-speaking oncologists. I will get a

full report today.

At 06:58 AM 8/10/2009, you wrote:

>

>

>,

>

>I am, as always, in awe of what you do and the time you give to

>those who cannot pay, or don't have the money to pay fully.

>

>I wish I had a way to help you remain open as a non-profit. But all

>I can say is that I have told my family that if I were to recur and

>end up at a later stage, then please get me to immediately.

>

>I suppose there are no easy answers for your clinic right now. I do

>wish you the best of luck.

>

>ar

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ar,

I couldn't call the non-profit by those names, but it does remind me

of something. Before program participants return to their oncologist

they ask me what to say the reason is that they improved so much. I

told them to give a bottle of medicine to the oncologist and tell him

that you need his help in getting more. I tell them to say this with

a very straight face. The bottle is Aceite de Vibora, that is, snake

oil. It is actually used in Mexico as a topical for arthritis.

As I said earlier, there are no miracles. There is only hard work.

At 08:32 AM 8/10/2009, you wrote:

>

>

>,

>

>Your comment about the FDA made me laugh out loud. Oh goodness.

>

>And you are right. I believe we Americans are wasteful and health

>care costs are far too high. It scares me, actually.

>

>And I hope the health care mess gets straightened out before

>November because that's when my unemployment runs out and I will

>have to choose between buying food and having water and electricity,

>or paying my Cobra payment.

>

>I'm not very good at thinking up names, but perhaps something along

>the lines of 's Snake Oil Emporium and Miraculous Medicine

>Shop would work to drum up some business.

>

>All my best.

>ar

>

>

> >

> > Hello Ar,

> >

> > I do want the whole Center to be a worldwide community effort. One

> > list member, Judy, has rounded up donations of tons of hospital

> > surplus equipment and soon-to-expire supplies. We reallocate this to

> > Mexican Clinics. On occasion we have had a parade of people walking

> > across the border each carrying a Santa Claus size bag of syringes,

> > catheters, dressings, spinal tap trays, etc. This is a lot of fun

> > for the docs to paw through. You would be absolutely amazed at the

> > wastefulness of US hospitals.

> >

> > I pay Kaiser $18,000 per year for insurance for my four-member

> > family. I hate it, but we all need emergency protection. What if

> > the FDA accidentally ran over me as I crossed the street? We don't

> > need US healthcare run by big corporations or by the government. We

> > need US healthcare operated by a Mexican clinic. Those guys know how

> > to save money.

> >

> > One of our participants has just returned from a two-month stint in a

> > Chinese hospital: the Guangzhou Armed Police Hospital. I need to

> > come up with a cool name like that. He paid maybe 5-10% of what he

> > would have to pay in the US and he was able to use top-of-the-line

> > equipment operated by English-speaking oncologists. I will get a

> > full report today.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

My husband has ruematoid arthritis. Do you know any natural cures.

Thanks,

Robyn

[Guest guest]

- so sorry for your news - it came to me personally, so I am posting

it to the group-

In a message dated 3/14/2011 5:29:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

twadd3@... writes:

Dear all,

I need to say a huge thanks for all the support we have had from you

over the years ( although we have been quiet for a while recently) - the

large amount of information and encouragement and actually " the love "

that pours from this list.

Sadly Ron died on 26th February after his 10 year battle with this

disease. He finally sucumbed via heart failure after a couple of bouts

of colds and flu. He was the most uncomplaining of men and I shall miss

him so much.

Twaddell