Re: Wood alcohol in our foods

[Guest guest]

Ira,

Where did you get your information?

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Hi Ira,

I can not confirm nor deny this information. I can say that I do not drink

or eat anything diet though. I personally don't take Aspartame either. I

simply think it is very bad for people, especially growing children. I find

it very distressing that children drink this stuff and it is in foods that

children would find appealing. The information that I have read confirms my

own personal beliefs, which I am not willing to change at this point. My

belief is that diet stuff is bad for people. It seems to me that as I look

around at my friends and acquaintances who drink the diet drinks that they

are just getting fatter. It certainly doesn't seem to be working to help

them to lose weight. In fact, it seems to be doing just the opposite from

the people I know. I don't know if it is the diet drinks themselves or not.

The other foods seem to replace the low-fat with high sugar. To me, this is

worse than the fat.

I probably am not the person to respond to this, because I think that

juicing store bought fruits and vegetables can have lots of pesticides in

them. I do juice, but, I tend to grow my own produce or buy it from people

who I know don't put chemicals on it. So, I can only imagine what kinds of

chemicals would be in store bought juice, which is what I'm assuming this

study used.

I feel like I'm rambling. I'm not really sure what this subject has to do

with liver/gallbladder cleansing unless you are concerned about the quality

of the apple juice you are using to fast with. If that is the case, for the

cleanse, I think it is pretty un-important in the big picture. The most

important thing is to actually do the cleanse to help the body rid itself of

these stones.

Just my opinion on the subject,

Karma

> I found the following information and am interested to know whether

> any of our members can confirm or deny it.

>

> My only request is that any responses be made in a civil manner.

>

> >In fact, a glass of tomato juice provides about five times as much

> >methanol as a similar amount of diet soft drink containing

> >aspartame. Many other juices also provide more methanol than a

> >similar amount of soft drink. These amounts of methanol from many

> >foods, or the lesser amounts from aspartame intake, are rapidly

> >metabolized, do not accumulate in the body and cannot reach harmful

> >amounts.

>

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> IRA L. JACOBSON

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[Guest guest]

Where did you get your information?

>Jeanne

I got it from the internet. I am wondering if anyone has information

to corroborate this statement, or any reason to cast a doubt on it.

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Jeanne,

Here is a quote about aspartame at Dr. Mercola's:

" It has been pointed out that some fruit juices and alcoholic beverages

contain small amounts of methanol. It is important to remember, however, that

methanol never appears alone. In every case, ethanol is present, usually in

much higher amounts. Ethanol is an antidote for methanol toxicity in humans. "

I've read before that tomato juice has methanol in it, but it has the ethanol

to counteract its effects. The best way to find that something may be bad

for you is to stop using it. If a person stops drinking diet drinks or

having stuff with aspartame in it, then they will have positive health

effects when they quit. This is what happened with my husband and I. We

used to drink diet cold drinks. Not only do I no longer have stomach acid

problems, but just 3 days off the mess and we were clear-headed. I didn't

realize it before. I used to have headaches and they ceased.

I would say aspartame is very dangerous.

Susie

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Susie,

I agree with you. Do you remember a sugar free candy called Velamints.

I don't know if aspartame was in it but it would give me such gas pressure

that at times I thought I was having a heart attact, so I don't mess with

foods like that .

Jeanne

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gingsong@... wrote the following, regarding my previous question:

>Ira,

> Where did you get your information?

>Jeanne

I got it from the internet. I am wondering if anyone has information

to corroborate this statement, or any reason to cast a doubt on it.

Just to remind the listmembers, the statement was:

>In fact, a glass of tomato juice provides about five times as much

>methanol as a similar amount of diet soft drink containing

>aspartame. Many other juices also provide more methanol than a

>similar amount of soft drink. These amounts of methanol from many

>foods, or the lesser amounts from aspartame intake, are rapidly

>metabolized, do not accumulate in the body and cannot reach harmful

>amounts.

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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[Guest guest]

agree with you. Do you remember a sugar free candy called Velamints.

I don't know if aspartame was in it but it would give me such gas pressure

that at times I thought I was having a heart attact, so I don't mess with

foods like that .

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Jeanne, yes, they're putting aspartame in tons of stuff.

Also, I do want to state this, whether anyone agrees with me or not that's

their business, but our creator created a bunch of good, healthy foods for us

to eat. So I eat and enjoy his foods which he created for my enjoyment

without the worry of methanol poisoning.

Take care,

Susie

[Guest guest]

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gingsong@... wrote the following, regarding my previous question:

>Ira,

> Where did you get your information?

>Jeanne

I got it from the internet. I am wondering if anyone has information

to corroborate this statement, or any reason to cast a doubt on it.

Just to remind the listmembers, the statement was:

>In fact, a glass of tomato juice provides about five times as much

>methanol as a similar amount of diet soft drink containing

>aspartame. Many other juices also provide more methanol than a

>similar amount of soft drink. These amounts of methanol from many

>foods, or the lesser amounts from aspartame intake, are rapidly

>metabolized, do not accumulate in the body and cannot reach harmful

>amounts.

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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mailto:laser@...

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The question needs to be much more specific.

Ira;

Where is this information on the internet? Please supply the URL so that others

may read the information for themselves and then do their own research regarding

the source of that information.

Dale

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Just wanted to add my two cents to this discussion, from personal experience. I

used to drink Diet Coke all the time.....I loved it. I probably drank up to 32

oz. of it per day...sometimes more. I used it as a diet aid...to keep me

feeling full, and from eating other foods. It did help in that regard.

However, I experienced headaches, on a regular basis. I finally gave it up

after I started experiencing severe tinnitus-ringing in my ears-which I found

could be caused by aspertame use (sorry, I don't remember the source of that

info.). It was very hard giving it up, but within one week of doing so, the

tinnitus was gone...never to return. The headaches also disappeared.

Adrienne

Tishri7@... wrote: Where did you get your information?

>Jeanne

I got it from the internet. I am wondering if anyone has information

to corroborate this statement, or any reason to cast a doubt on it.

____________________

Jeanne,

Here is a quote about aspartame at Dr. Mercola's:

" It has been pointed out that some fruit juices and alcoholic beverages

contain small amounts of methanol. It is important to remember, however, that

methanol never appears alone. In every case, ethanol is present, usually in

much higher amounts. Ethanol is an antidote for methanol toxicity in humans. "

I've read before that tomato juice has methanol in it, but it has the ethanol

to counteract its effects. The best way to find that something may be bad

for you is to stop using it. If a person stops drinking diet drinks or

having stuff with aspartame in it, then they will have positive health

effects when they quit. This is what happened with my husband and I. We

used to drink diet cold drinks. Not only do I no longer have stomach acid

problems, but just 3 days off the mess and we were clear-headed. I didn't

realize it before. I used to have headaches and they ceased.

I would say aspartame is very dangerous.

Susie

[Guest guest]

The stomach acid problems were most likely caused by the carbonation

in the diet cola. Carbon dioxide gas added to water makes carbonic

acid (H2CO3). The little H+ ions floating around are identical to

those present in any inorganic acid solution.

hmm.....that's funny, Ira. Occasionaly I have a regular Coke and never have

the same problem, but once just to see how it affected me, i.e., if I wasn't

dreaming or anything, about 3 months after I gave up diet drinks, I happened

to try a diet coke at a friend's house. I had the same problem with my

stomach.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Susie wrote:

>The best way to find that something may be bad

>for you is to stop using it. If a person stops drinking diet drinks

>or

>having stuff with aspartame in it, then they will have positive

>health

>effects when they quit. This is what happened with my husband and

>I. We

>used to drink diet cold drinks. Not only do I no longer have

>stomach acid

>problems,

The stomach acid problems were most likely caused by the carbonation

in the diet cola. Carbon dioxide gas added to water makes carbonic

acid (H2CO3). The little H+ ions floating around are identical to

those present in any inorganic acid solution.

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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